[rambus]

what is consdered "normal" for damage taken off these? i get a few comments that they did not like my DD gear and expected me to use vit rings or something.

from waht i remember i get hit 30-100 a hit peck furry for 150 ish useally. this one guy said i got almost oneshted and said taru plds suck in exp pts ......

( i guess he did not see i was getting hit by 2 mobs because my thf wanted to fight 2 at once or something>.>)

level syce 54-58

someone told me yeah vit really good for this levle helps thow down the damage curve.

i got someone else saying i one one fo the best they seen at keeping hate so im lost =/

[Rikkitikkitavi]

I pretty much used DD gear from 1-75. All these 60 Plds that stack vit/def should try it out .. Tarudins FTW.

[rambus]

I pretty much used DD gear from 1-75. All these 60 Plds that stack vit/def should try it out .. Tarudins FTW.

you ever got lol taru pld or lol dd gear?

[Eowen]

I had pretty much all the gear (which was pretty unneccessary). I had a set of extreme VIT/DEF and a set of extreme DD, both of which work just fine (though I admit that doing 800-1200 Vorpal Blade on Mamools in merit parties is quite gorgeous). As always, it's situational, but you should play how you want to play. Being someone who's used both types of gear set and also various combinations of the 2 types, I can tell you for sure that your success really comes down to your ability. It's a toss up of what the best way to hold hate is, but the reality is that you just need to hold hate. If you are doing that, and your party can go on indefinately with minimal resting, then you're fine.

I know that you play tons of jobs and space is an issue, so pick which style you like more and only get the gear that suits that style.

[Thelian]

dd onry, you should know that by now

[rambus]

dd onry, you should know that by now

is it my server or do i have a stupid people magnet? the first pt i did in AHU leaader said i keep hate really well but the other pts i got after that made fun of my DD gear or the taru + PLD thing...

I had pretty much all the gear (which was pretty unneccessary). I had a set of extreme VIT/DEF and a set of extreme DD, both of which work just fine (though I admit that doing 800-1200 Vorpal Blade on Mamools in merit parties is quite gorgeous). As always, it's situational, but you should play how you want to play. Being someone who's used both types of gear set and also various combinations of the 2 types, I can tell you for sure that your success really comes down to your ability. It's a toss up of what the best way to hold hate is, but the reality is that you just need to hold hate. If you are doing that, and your party can go on indefinately with minimal resting, then you're fine.

I know that you play tons of jobs and space is an issue, so pick which style you like more and only get the gear that suits that style.

you ever note the damage you took in def gear in 55-60 pts on lessers?

kind of shocked you know i have meny jobs i dont remember you at all O_o

[Rikkitikkitavi]

you ever got lol taru pld or lol dd gear?

I don't think I've ever got Lol'd at. Everything I have is HQ and the best lol. And I pt with JP's usually, since I play at like 4 AM in the morning.

That and most pties are so happy to have a tank these days, they are rarer than healers for sure on my server.

[Phlow]

dd onry, you should know that by now

Stupidest quote ever.

Rumbas, what do they check as:

IT or greater - Ditch the DD gear. You taking 100+ damage a hit and 500 from pecking fury and having a 50% acc rating with a 50 point Vorpal Blade is retarded. I can hold hate fine on those mobs in full ass turtle gear. Of course, that could be considered overcamping.
VT or lower - Go DD. Even though PLD DD pre Hauby is lol.

Situational shit is situational. And you should never DD when you see high defense/high evasion in DD gear.

[rambus]

Stupidest quote ever.

Rumbas, what do they check as:

IT or greater - Ditch the DD gear. You taking 100+ damage a hit and 500 from pecking fury and having a 50% acc rating with a 50 point Vorpal Blade is retarded. I can hold hate fine on those mobs in full ass turtle gear. Of course, that could be considered overcamping.
VT or lower - Go DD. Even though PLD DD pre Hauby is lol.

Situational shit is situational. And you should never DD when you see high defense/high evasion in DD gear.

never took note of that but i never got hit that hard ether, most i took from that move was 380~ and i was zerked. ( on normals the lessers i took more like 150 ish)

right now doing the normal ones at 63 and they all just check IT i hit fine this si without a brd but i can never ws since they useally take it before i have 100 tp, i alays have hate, rare i loose it unless someone ws at pull.

[Kaparu]

Stupidest quote ever.

Rumbas, what do they check as:

IT or greater - Ditch the DD gear. You taking 100+ damage a hit and 500 from pecking fury and having a 50% acc rating with a 50 point Vorpal Blade is retarded. I can hold hate fine on those mobs in full ass turtle gear. Of course, that could be considered overcamping.
VT or lower - Go DD. Even though PLD DD pre Hauby is lol.

Situational shit is situational. And you should never DD when you see high defense/high evasion in DD gear.

Which is why you don't fight things IT or greater. Supplementing stupid choices with more stupid choices, etc.

[Phlow]

right now doing the normal ones at 63 and they all just check IT i hit fine this si without a brd

If they check as High Evasion, you have a less than 60% chance to hit. And you're dot will be lol. If they check as Low Evasion, you have over an 80% chance to hit. If they don't have that, it's between 60% and 80%.

When I started DD'ing, I could get WS's off every once in a while, even on birds. You might have someone with multi-hit weapons, or just not enough ACC to do what you are doing.

Which is why you don't fight things IT or greater. Supplementing stupid choices with more stupid choices, etc.

I still consider pre-70 PLD a shit for shit DD'er that can't do much (if anything). They don't have joy, opti/wally, homam, auram, etc. They basically get, what - hauby, snips, and an espadon+1? maybe it's because I haven't played at that level in a while, but Vorpal blows at that level and Swift ends up doing more consistent damage (300 damage yay....)

[rambus]

If they check as High Evasion, you have a less than 60% chance to hit. And you're dot will be lol. If they check as Low Evasion, you have over an 80% chance to hit. If they don't have that, it's between 60% and 80%.

When I started DD'ing, I could get WS's off every once in a while, even on birds. You might have someone with multi-hit weapons, or just not enough ACC to do what you are doing.



I still consider pre-70 PLD a shit for shit DD'er that can't do much (if anything). They don't have joy, opti/wally, homam, auram, etc. They basically get, what - hauby, snips, and an espadon+1? maybe it's because I haven't played at that level in a while, but Vorpal blows at that level and Swift ends up doing more consistent damage (300 damage yay....)

when i got a brd in the pt it was low evade and def. also i was able to ws more since he pulled some cralwers too.

highest ws so far is 541 swift.

[Corrderio]

I still consider pre-70 PLD a shit for shit DD'er that can't do much (if anything). They don't have joy, opti/wally, homam, auram, etc. They basically get, what - hauby, snips, and an espadon+1? maybe it's because I haven't played at that level in a while, but Vorpal blows at that level and Swift ends up doing more consistent damage (300 damage yay....)

True, I mostly used my weaponskills for flat blade for the stun. But I got to admit being a hybrid is ungodly helpful.

[Hitoseijuro]

And you're dot will be lol. If they check as Low Evasion, you have over an 80% chance to hit. If they don't have that, it's between 60% and 80%.

This isnt true. Stop giving out false info.

[JackalTheManCat]

Sub nin.

[rambus]

This isnt true. Stop giving out false info.

then what would be a good gauge of that? even without brd these dumb fire spitting things near the calbrio check low/low lol

[Phlow]

This isnt true. Stop giving out false info.

Which part? The dot or the low evasion being over 80% hit rate?

If it's the dot statement: Good job quoting half the fucking statement. To reiterate: If they check as High Evasion, you have a less than 60% chance to hit. And you're dot will be lol.

True, I mostly used my weaponskills for flat blade for the stun. But I got to admit being a hybrid is ungodly helpful.

Oh, hybrid I have no problem with. It's people that use this over this for the extra str (pre sub nin, duh).

highest ws so far is 541 swift.

Highest swift isn't always the same as your average swift. You're falling into the sub thf trap - Tons of inexperienced dd's think that sub thf is the best sub for damage because it creates huge numbers, however it's usually WAR with a steady stream that causes those numbers. Back in the day, I could score a 600 point Vorpal, but if I didn't have the acc gear, it was a 1 in 50 chance.

[Eowen]

you ever note the damage you took in def gear in 55-60 pts on lessers?

kind of shocked you know i have meny jobs i dont remember you at all O_o

In full on DEF/VIT gear I recall taking like 30-50 damage a swing from colibri (with defender on), though it's been a very long time.

As for knowing you have many jobs, I have been a KI reader for many years, though I don't post too frequently. Only when I feel like I have something useful to add. Or when I am overly bored at work.

I kept all six of my jobs pretty much fully geared for all the different styles that they can use, and it is HARD to do, so I perfectly understand your concern for space.

[rambus]

Which part? The dot or the low evasion being over 80% hit rate?

If it's the dot statement: Good job quoting half the fucking statement. To reiterate: If they check as High Evasion, you have a less than 60% chance to hit. And you're dot will be lol.



Oh, hybrid I have no problem with. It's people that use this over this for the extra str (pre sub nin, duh).



Highest swift isn't always the same as your average swift. You're falling into the sub thf trap - Tons of inexperienced dd's think that sub thf is the best sub for damage because it creates huge numbers, however it's usually WAR with a steady stream that causes those numbers. Back in the day, I could score a 600 point Vorpal, but if I didn't have the acc gear, it was a 1 in 50 chance.

they where never high evade, ether nothing like just IT or low/low, and i know about the spike thingy and such i would rate my average as 300 if i poped zerk ( i useally click this off, on lessers i try to see how long i can leave it on)

and yeah im sure the spike came from a double attack

[Shadowmeld]

If they check as High Evasion, you have a less than 60% chance to hit. And you're dot will be lol. If they check as Low Evasion, you have over an 80% chance to hit. If they don't have that, it's between 60% and 80%.

This is wrong. If you just barely get mob to con low evasion, you have a 75% - (level difference * 2) chance to hit. For example, 8 level difference would make low evasion switchover have ~60% acc. High evasion is a 40 point swing from low evasion, so on that same mob, you would have ~40% hit rate.