[Kaparu]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? What action are your performing that is in any way, shape, or form augmented simultaneously by accuracy and Fast Cast?

If you truly do not have the mental fortitude to utilize the macro system, deciding which piece of equipment is going to make you less of a joke should really be the least of your concerns.

If Paladin is your thing, enmity and Fast Cast should be a no-brainer. Job abilities and Atonement are best left to Hydra Haubert(impractical as it may be), but Fast Cast doesn't care if you've already got capped recasts.

EDIT: Not to mention that most of you are never going to see a Hydra Haubert..

[FurionStormRage]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? What action are your performing that is in any way, shape, or form augmented simultaneously by accuracy and Fast Cast?

If you truly do not have the mental fortitude to utilize the macro system, deciding which piece of equipment is going to make you less of a joke should really be the least of your concerns.

If Paladin is your thing, enmity and Fast Cast should be a no-brainer. Job abilities and Atonement are best left to Hydra Haubert(impractical as it may be), but Fast Cast doesn't care if you've already got capped recasts.

EDIT: Not to mention that most of you are never going to see a Hydra Haubert..

Done with your soapbox yet?

[AsDraBael]

Not everyone does visible gear swaps when they tank. I can tank everything in the game with my only swaps being non-visible, and do it better than any of the paladins in other ls who blink so much you almost never see them if you don't have blinkmenot installed.

5 enmity with 5% fast cast most definitely isn't the winner by any margin. Neither is 10 acc and 5 enmity, since if I wanted that I'd just get an avalon while also getting -5% magic damage. I'd honestly take the -5% damage over 2 enmity, since its already easy as hell to cap hate in just a couple minutes from claim. Enmity is so hugely overrated that its silly.

The only undisputed useful stat for a paladin on this, that you can't get in other bodies, is the fast cast. Every other useful stat, be it acc, attack, or enmity you can get in bigger amounts in other gear thats much older. Doesn't matter if you talk ares, haubert, homam, avalon, or hauby +1. This gear merely gives you a chance to maybe save 1 gear slot or a tiny bit of gil by tossing your valor, selling your avalon or hauby, or just avoiding tavnazia. Its nice, but its just SE's usual sidegrade gear, except they added some fluff by letting us pick which sidegrade we want.

The jobs who made out like bandits with this, are ranger, cor, the pet jobs, and I guess ninja for an enhanced ninja chainmail in merits. We just got something a little bit shiny to make us forget the terrible job that SE is doing with the wotg expansion.

[Deemos]

what i think is true is about how bad is wotg, lol

[wigglestyx]

I thought the idea of a forum was about finding out the most optimal way to do somthing as a group? Saying they play the game how they feel like playing in a forum to me is the most idiotic thing you can do. ....

This topic is what will you choose, not what is better best for X situation. If it was the later then yes, saying people will people how they like would be idiotic.
example: pld/smn I'm so getting pet accuracy / attack, cuz you know pld/smn is the best!...


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I'd really not like to turn this topic into a blink or not.
Its been done before, and in the end who gives a shit what someone else does.

[Kaparu]

Like I said, I'll be getting this body. The 5% fast cast is the only actual stand-out stat on this gear. The question is, whats the most useful secondary stat? For me, I'll probably end up getting attack for less 0's. Other people will be happier with accuracy or even enmity. Its a sidegrade, but a nice sidegrade since you can personalize it. It'll just be another situational body I have to lug around with me.

I don't understand why you wouldn't just use a Haubergeon.

[wigglestyx]

Posts about blinking and cure math has been moved .. Don't blink... or you'll miss it

[Kaparu]

I have no conceivable idea why you did that. Whether or not someone is an anti-blinking idiot has a direct effect on their decision, making it a completely relevant point of discussion.

[wigglestyx]

I have no conceivable idea why you did that. Whether or not someone is an anti-blinking idiot has a direct effect on their decision, making it a completely relevant point of discussion.

Because three pages worth of blinking and cure math really have nothing to do with what stats people plan on adding add to a body.

[Thelian]

.............lol

[Kaparu]

Unwillingness to blink has nothing to do with whether or not someone sticks lackluster bonuses that can be found in greater quantities on a body piece?

Right.

It would behoove you to have some sort of grasp of what's going on in a thread before deciding to pillage it with your masterful editing.

[Thelian]

next time just move it to flame wars and leave it intact. this is karma for me callign the mods lazy earlier @_@

[Rhadamantis]

KI isn't United States. We currently don't need authorities to take that kind of measure 'round here. D;

[wigglestyx]

Unwillingness to blink has nothing to do with whether or not someone sticks lackluster bonuses that can be found in greater quantities on a body piece?

Right.

It would behoove you to have some sort of grasp of what's going on in a thread before deciding to pillage it with your masterful editing.

When it drags on for three pages no, lets try to keep this on topic now.

[AsDraBael]

I don't understand why you wouldn't just use a Haubergeon.

Because of ares body? With sushi, i'd rather more attack than some accuracy. Obviously I'd use a hauby, but this is about this other body vs available options.

If I wanted acc/attack, I'd use hauby +1, if I wanted acc/enmity, I'd use avalon. If I want refresh/attack, I'll use ares. If I want fast cast, I'll use this body. The discussion though, is whats a useful secondary stat. For me, If i was aiming for the fast cast, I'd personally rather attack to cut down on 0's. Not to say anyone elses choice is wrong, but thats what I'd pick with how I play. Even if I need more accuracy, I'll have a bard replace ballad 1 with madrigal. That makes the options:

ares body + madrigal = 30 attack, 12 str, 35 accuracy
new body with acc + fast cast + ballad 1 = 10 acc, 5% fast cast, -27.5 attack and 7 str

If you have 1 bard, ares wins for more because the only way you could conceivably use the new body would be to only macroswap it on for your spells, and I'm not going to go into that stupid fight again because its been beat to death and Neosutra at least argued it better than anyone here except Phlow, since he uses math.

The fight here isn't about whether the new body is any good, because its clearly inferior to other gears as an idle piece. The only way to have a big use for it, is if you do visible swaps. Thats this bodies only possible use. A spell macro-swap, then taking it right back off.

[Kaparu]

Unless you're subtly enforcing a new page limit on threads, I'm still incredibly confused. It was all still relevant.

[Kaparu]

Because of ares body? With sushi, i'd rather more attack than some accuracy. Obviously I'd use a hauby, but this is about this other body vs available options.

If I wanted acc/attack, I'd use hauby +1, if I wanted acc/enmity, I'd use avalon. If I want refresh/attack, I'll use ares. If I want fast cast, I'll use this body. The discussion though, is whats a useful secondary stat. For me, If i was aiming for the fast cast, I'd personally rather attack to cut down on 0's. Not to say anyone elses choice is wrong, but thats what I'd pick with how I play. Even if I need more accuracy, I'll have a bard replace ballad 1 with madrigal. That makes the options:

ares body + madrigal = 30 attack, 12 str, 35 accuracy
new body with acc + fast cast + ballad 1 = 10 acc, 5% fast cast, -27.5 attack and 7 str

If you have 1 bard, ares wins for more because the only way you could conceivably use the new body would be to only macroswap it on for your spells, and I'm not going to go into that stupid fight again because its been beat to death and Neosutra at least argued it better than anyone here except Phlow, since he uses math.

The fight here isn't about whether the new body is any good, because its clearly inferior to other gears as an idle piece. The only way to have a big use for it, is if you do visible swaps.

Math shouldn't be required; its as simple as having nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

The only reason you're not willing to get into 'that stupid fight' is because you have absolutely no logical justification for your position.

[AsDraBael]

No tanks in my ls do visible swaps. No one in the ls wants them too, and everyones already happy with performance. Anyone from our server can attest to the performance, so meh, take it as you will.

Although I have to agree, splitting the topic was nigh on retarded since macro-swapping is at the heart of what makes this gear a good gear.

[Kaparu]

No tanks in my ls do visible swaps. No one in the ls wants them too, and everyones already happy with performance. Anyone from our server can attest to the performance, so meh, take it as you will.

Although I have to agree, splitting the topic was nigh on retarded since macro-swapping is at the heart of what makes this gear a good gear.

I'm not telling you that you're not an effective tank, I'm telling you that you'd be a better tank if you used visible equipment macros. As I said, the issues that players without BlinkMeNot or personalized macros had in the past with excessive blinking are no longer relevant, so you can only gain from doing so.

Feel free to logically refute this. Until such a time, I'm right.

[AsDraBael]

I never said I wouldn't be slightly better.

I said so myself a long time ago.

The question is, how much better? With how I already do, there is very little room for improvement with current game mechanics. I have very good mages available, and a few mediocre who aren't mainjob mages but only come on that job when its absolutely needed. Even with the new targetting, I wouldn't trust the mediocre mages in a clutch situation. I suppose I could make 2 entirely different sets of macros and use visibles with the good mages, and non-visible with the mediocre but its not something I've ever been concerned with considering how many different swaps and gears I already have to carry while doing mostly non-visible.