[rambus]

Now there has been this never ending debate where people say 1 month use them for muli ws, next month don't so i need to ask how does this applay to thf?

I just recently got one that i happen to be able to use on evisceration and i was wondering if it was wothwhile doing so. or is it better to ws in something else?

[pathwriter]

I cannot answer your question regarding Thief weaponskills as it is definitely not my area of expertise, but regarding gorgets in general:

They add .1 to the first strike's modifier that is usually labeled "fTP" (something of a misnomer as its value isn't a function of TP for many weaponskills) and 10 Accuracy to all strikes. This has been extensively tested, we're sure of it now, so gorgets are the way to go for most weaponskills. The effects of stacking SA and TA and whether something like Spike Necklace would be better than +.1x is something this forum will have to answer.

[rambus]

I cannot answer your question regarding Thief weaponskills as it is definitely not my area of expertise, but regarding gorgets in general:

They add .1 to the first strike's modifier that is usually labeled "fTP" (something of a misnomer as its value isn't a function of TP for many weaponskills) and 10 Accuracy to all strikes. This has been extensively tested, we're sure of it now, so gorgets are the way to go for most weaponskills. The effects of stacking SA and TA and whether something like Spike Necklace would be better than +.1x is something this forum will have to answer.

ya that is the reason i made it, thanks. (I really mean this don't take it as sarcastic)

about your comment in general though i never understood what that .1 ftp does. i never really got melee forumla

[pathwriter]

Weaponskills have a series of damage multipliers built into them. One of them is referred to as "fTP" (that is, "function of TP") because weaponskills with the description "Damage varies with TP" (e.g., Raging Fists, Tachi: Gekko) have a higher multiplier when more TP is used. Other weaponskills, like Evisceration, have a description of "Chance of critical hit varies with TP." In this case, the multiplier is fixed (often at 1.0) regardless of TP. Using the appropriate elemental gorget would raise this multiplier to 1.1, essentially giving 10% additional damage to the first hit only. Only the first strike of weaponskills is affected by this multiplier. As such, elemental gorgets are generally more impressive on one-hit weaponskills rather than multi-hit weaponskills, but as the Accuracy gained from a gorget is identical to that of the most common "best" alternative (Peacock Charm), it is worth using a gorget.

But, again, I'm uncertain if something like Spike Necklace would be better due to the nature of Sneak Attack.

[synthetic]

spike necklace is garbage. only thing i'd recommend taking off gorgets for is love torque.

[rambus]

spike necklace is garbage. only thing i'd recommend taking off gorgets for is love torque.

can you explain why?

[synthetic]

7 dagger skill 5 dex

[rambus]

7 dagger skill 5 dex

I get that, i ment the .1 ftp vs fang neck or something because how you get bonus from DEX and a bit of str to help

meh thinkign about the acc thing and being 5 hit maybe ill just stick with the gorget just for acc, but idoono if ican be bothered get one for DE unless i spot possablites useing it for a lot of other ws i might use.

[Byrthnoth]

Spike Necklace is shitty due to its lack of Accuracy and THF's constant need for MOAR ACC. Gorgets have Acc, so the guy is saying he'd only take it off for Love Torque.

Love Torque has 6-7 Acc, 7 Atk, 5 Dex (another potential 2-3 Accuracy and some Crit rate.) For a meritted THF, Love Torque is going to be 8-9 Accuracy, but the Dex is obviously a Sneak Attack mod for THF and a WS mod most of the time (except Mandelic Stab) so it's probably worth the slight accuracy hit. I suspect consensus will be to WS in Love Torque unless you're doing non-SA Mandelic Stab, in which case you should use Gorget.

[synthetic]

i was typing something, but he posted first and it sounds better. so yeah what he said...

[rambus]

i was typing something, but he posted first and it sounds better. so yeah what he said...

k, ya i get it for the whole acc thing.

now, should i make a goal to get one for DE too? or is it ok to full time evis with this gorget?

[synthetic]

you could get both, but if you gonna focus on 1 ws then i wouldn't be too concerned about it

i guess it depends on how easy it is for you to get the organs needed

[Banggugyangu]

k, ya i get it for the whole acc thing.

now, should i make a goal to get one for DE too? or is it ok to full time evis with this gorget?

If you have X's knife, evisceration will outdo DE by a noticeable difference. If you don't have X's knife, it'll be close, but DE should pull ahead more. I'd recommend gorget for both personally.

[Kenja]

I'm still working on gorgets myself and have only gotten Breeze and Snow so far because of Sam. I've used Love Gorget full time since I don't have the 100 floor access yet for Mandallic. As Path said earlier, Gorgets seems to shine more for single hit WS hence me getting them for Sam first. I haven't actually bothered to try out Breeze for DE since I generally don't use it on large mob fights and Love has seemed to work fine so far. I doub't you'd see a huge difference in using either for DE but I could be wrong. The whole TP thing still makes little sense to me; I usually end up doing half the dmg at 300% TP than at the usual 100-110%.

[rambus]

I'm still working on gorgets myself and have only gotten Breeze and Snow so far because of Sam. I've used Love Gorget full time since I don't have the 100 floor access yet for Mandallic. As Path said earlier, Gorgets seems to shine more for single hit WS hence me getting them for Sam first. I haven't actually bothered to try out Breeze for DE since I generally don't use it on large mob fights and Love has seemed to work fine so far. I doub't you'd see a huge difference in using either for DE but I could be wrong. The whole TP thing still makes little sense to me; I usually end up doing half the dmg at 300% TP than at the usual 100-110%.

why did you get wind if you concern is sam?

[Melos]

Breeze gorget modifies Tachi: Yukikaze

[treelo]

I'd recommend gorget for both personally.

I'd only recommend using a gorget for Shark Bite. That's assuming you have a Love Torque. If you don't, you most likely don't have decent enough equipment for a good Evisceration build (a seemingly random assumption you might think, but it's true 99% of the time.) This leaves you with DE and Shark Bite. Shark Bite is a lot more reliable than DE and you'll see more of an improvement using a gorget with it than you will with DE.

[rambus]

Breeze gorget modifies Tachi: Yukikaze

he said ice and wind......

I'd only recommend using a gorget for Shark Bite. That's assuming you have a Love Torque. If you don't, you most likely don't have decent enough equipment for a good Evisceration build (a seemingly random assumption you might think, but it's true 99% of the time.) This leaves you with DE and Shark Bite. Shark Bite is a lot more reliable than DE and you'll see more of an improvement using a gorget with it than you will with DE.

i wont lie, this prob applays to me. i was more on the grounds of exp pt/ farming though and on farming i tend to see more damage on DE ( i do have a personal trick attack pet so its not like i can't buff ws) maybe ill try play with shark bite a bit more to see how i fair with that ws. its kind of dispointing though to see i mau need 2 now to finish jobs and the logic wold be this.

earth will help all my sword ws and DE
thunder will help shark bite/ vorpal/ salave blade/ but not blu myithc ws and DE

[Banggugyangu]

I'd only recommend using a gorget for Shark Bite. That's assuming you have a Love Torque. If you don't, you most likely don't have decent enough equipment for a good Evisceration build (a seemingly random assumption you might think, but it's true 99% of the time.) This leaves you with DE and Shark Bite. Shark Bite is a lot more reliable than DE and you'll see more of an improvement using a gorget with it than you will with DE.

alas, I don't have a love torque, and my THF has been relatively nakey since I started leveling SCH. But for all extensive purposes, gorgets are close to what love torque would offer, so without it, they would be a good second place.

[pathwriter]

Intents and purposes