[Blackmoon]

I know this is pre-/whm update, but wanted to put it out there for discussion.

/sch Spell Level up to 37
Level Spell
04 Stone
05 Cure
08 Water
10 Poisona○
10 Protect
12 Paralyna○
12 Aero
15 Deodorize
16 Fire
17 Blindna○
17 Cure II
18 Regen
20 Blizzard
20 Shell
20 Sneak
21 Drain
22 Silena○
24 Thunder
25 Invisible

Level Spell
30 Cure III
30 Protect II
30 Sleep◙
30 Stone II
32 Cursna○
32 Dispel◙
34 Water II
35 Raise
36 Aspir
37 Regen II
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/whm up to 37

Level Spell
01 Cure
03 Dia
04 Paralyze
05 Banish
05 Barstonra
06 Poisona
07 Barsleepra
07 Protect
07 Protectra
09 Barwatera
09 Paralyna
10 Aquaveil
10 Barpoisonra
11 Cure II
12 Barparalyzra
13 Baraera
13 Slow
14 Blindna
15 Banishga
15 Deodorize
15 Silence
16 Curaga

Level Spell
17 Barfira
17 Shell
17 Shellra
18 Barblindra
18 Diaga
19 Blink
19 Silena
20 Sneak
21 Barblizzara
21 Cure III
21 Regen
23 Barsilencera
25 Barthundra
25 Invisible
25 Raise
27 Protect II
27 Protectra II
28 Stoneskin
29 Cursna
30 Banish II
31 Curaga II
32 Erase

Level Spell
33 Reraise
34 Viruna
36 Dia II
36 Teleport-Dem
36 Teleport-Holla
36 Teleport-Mea
37 Shell II
37 Shellra II

Mind you this is when BST = 75, for overall job effectiveness

Differing Spells:
/whm = Teleports, Protect/Shell-ra, Dia I/II, and RR
/sch = Sleep, Dispel, Aspir on black stratagem addendum.

CHR Difference:
/whm at 75 = 9 CHR
/sch at 75 = 9 CHR

For CHR Difference -
Used http://bellsouthpwp2.net/k/i/kinematicf/FFXI/StatCalculator/

Based off of 75bst with no sub vs 75 bst/whm or bst/sch

Abilities: /sch
Level Name
10 Light Arts
10 Dark Arts
35 Sublimation

Abilites: /whm
Level
15 - Divine Seal

Job Traits: /sch
Level Name
10 Resist Silence
20 Clear Mind
25 Conserve MP
30 Max MP Boost
35 Clear Mind II

Job Traits: /whm
Level Name
10 Magic Defense Bonus
20 Clear Mind
25 Auto Regen
30 Magic Defense Bonus II
35 Clear Mind II


Please Discuss pro/con/situational uses for subs and overall.

[anyenai]

Please Discuss pro/con/situational uses for subs and overall.

think you just did.

[Blackmoon]

I just put the differences up there, I wanted to discuss possible applications for endgame situations/solo uses as viable subs and get opinions regarding those possibilities and just a general discussion.

Granted my bst is near 64 and not 75, just putting this out there as it is a viable sub, I just wanted to discuss it and see if it would work better as a full time sub or just a situational in regards to all endgame aspects of bst.

[Nattack]

lack of mp, blink, and stoneskin. which i use often on /whm are a big turnoff to me on sch. generally i make my time not taking hits, instead of curebombing myself

but these days i go almost exclusively as /nin. in part because i rarely melee, and in turn rarely take hits. 3 shadows can last me a while

[Babyorphan]

but these days i go almost exclusively as /nin. in part because i rarely melee, and in turn rarely take hits. 3 shadows can last me a while

I too am more or less exclusively /NIN37 these days. But I also melee all the time together with my pet though.
I find that it helps speed up the fights and bring up the chains massively if I actually contribute with my pet.
Usually get to around Chain #7 or #8 on T and VT before I take a small break.

[Rida]

Sleep on subjob with a none mage job main is next to useless, cant really add that as a positive point. But nice lateral thinking although I still think /WHM out weights due to the blink + SS.

[Janeash]

lol I buckled under peer pressure and actually levelled SCH as a sub for my WHM a few months ago and it's the weirdest subs to get used to if you haven't been playing around with it for very long.

I don't really like it as a sub for a job that doesn't come with blink/stoneskin natuarlly.
That's about as much as I can say about it really.

[JackalTheManCat]

Sleep on subjob with a none mage job main is next to useless, cant really add that as a positive point. But nice lateral thinking although I still think /WHM out weights due to the blink + SS.

Scholar has job abilities that bring your applicable skills to B(?) rating for corresponding spells.

B ranked enfeebling can stick sleep on VT mobs

[Nattack]

sleep also adds a considerable amount of Cumulative enmity, as opposed to stoneskin and blink which can be casted out of range!

[Blackmoon]

Thanks for the posting and the opinions, just wanted to see if someone had done it and if it was worth it. Thanks for the discussion it was actually informative and non-flaming...shocking on KI, but not on the BST forums, where I can have a legit thread get some feedback.

[spira]

blink and stoneskin as /whm probably outweigh sleep as /sch by a lot, granted you dont necesarily use them in the same situations..
but sublimation is definitely useful for a job that has no natural MP pool and enough HP to go by without worrying about subli dropping you too far down..

sublimation + gaudy harness should be more than enough to make sure a BST can keep the MP coming where needed. I'd likely be in Light Arts fulltime since I'd probably want the addendum spells, plus it makes spells cheaper.

the other important things you're giving up are viruna and erase. Erase being the more important one..

however, while we're on the topic of mage subjobs, has anyone ventured the thought of /RDM?
we do end up losing -na spells and stuff, but basic cure spells are all still there, and the MAB trait gives like a 20% boost to Primal Rend damage.

[Janeash]

however, while we're on the topic of mage subjobs, has anyone ventured the thought of /RDM?
we do end up losing -na spells and stuff, but basic cure spells are all still there, and the MAB trait gives like a 20% boost to Primal Rend damage.

I've never actually thought about subbing rdm on bst specifically to boost primal rend dmg but it is an interesting thought.
If you want to see how far you can push the ws, it might be a good idea to try but but for day to day stuff, I still would't want to part with my whm sub.

[Arkley]

I prefer /SCH. I can do just fine without Stoneskin/Blink and Regen 2 is a godsend. The less MP thing really doesn't matter because SCH's natural MP conserving abilities make up for it tenfold. Being able to reliably Sleep things is invaluable, I've found it so so so much more useful to me than SS/Blink. When the Reraise level drop comes along I doubt I'll use /WHM ever again, unless I specifically need Erase.

[Mellema]

I use Bst/rdm for many situations and really like it. When you know you will be fighting something that has defense buffs, spikes, etc., dispel can make a huge difference. I also prefer bio 2 over dia 2 because pet will be taking less damage.

With /rdm you still have pro/shell 2, stoneskin, and blink, and can also add phalanx. Also, know you're enemies weakness and use the proper En- spell for more damage.

You miss out on erase and -na spells, but if I know those will be important I'll go /whm. No reraise is not an issue for me because I always carry RR items anyway. No raise can be a benefit too, no /tells asking for raise half way across the zone lol.

I've just started working on my scholar and looking over the spells to 37 I admit it looks really good. Drain and Regen 2 are both very mp efficient, then add in aspir and scholars conserving abilities and we should be golden.