[azagarth1]

I have been reading thf forums on eva for around 4 hrs now lol..... 3am so plz be nice about my typing and lack of structure in sentences.
I have been reading and have come across a lot of useful and contradicting info on evasion.

From my understanding of it on mobs T or lower eva skill + adds no evasion and agil/2 added with eva+ gear is what will help you capp out your eva in essence. However on monsters Vt+ and things such as higher lv nms you will get better results from the skill+ gear (at .9 eva per skill rate and raising the floor to your peak possible eva %), and the eva gear and agil/2 will remain static.

Now since anything T or lower is easy anyhow and should be fought with dd setups not eva setups my Q's will be based on things such as Vt-It monsters and HNM's (obv i know this will vary greatly but ill use specifics later on). Also keep in mind on these Questions they will be based off NOT THF but instead my MNK, PUP, and SAM who will have 256 base eva and 8 in merits totaling 264 eva skill native. Im mainly concerned with mnk here ;D i realize the other 2 are different eva skill cap but so close i wont worry as this should all hold true for them - a few skill lvs.

I want to be able to solo better things such as Imp in mire and some higher lv mobs like VT peiste and quads ($ right now). I would also like to test myself on lower tier hnm such as behe, ada (with helper taking ads), serket, and KA. I am also up to suggestions on other good challenges to take on solo ;D. From my understanding I would benefit on all these mobs more from eva skill gear then eva+ gear and agil would this be correct?

The main peices of gear i have issue with is....

first Hands: i currently use patriacrs (+6 skill), but if i am wrong about how i been viewing eva would ratsue (10 eva) or s. kote 15 agil be better?

sencond earring: Atm i use eva earring, same issue as above would 3 agil or 5 eva be better, possibly can get that 7 eva skill earring too.

Back: boxers mantle i use atm but would corse cape be better? or maybe toredors even? Is ther a better eva mantle im missing?

Rings: would 4 or 5 agil beat out the 2 eva on wivres?

you can see my predicament lol.... I think i have the best eva gear i can get, i got all the +skill peices but i have heard that i may be wrong and if so id like to change that asap ;D any help would be nice.

Btw i realize this might go better in the mnk forums but recently i just dont trust them they want to blood tank everything hehe. Plus i figure thfs would know more overall on eva since its such a crucial part of the job, especially in solo where you cant rely on counter to save you.

[nefarious.lover]

You have a lot of things wrong and several of them are hypothetical and I've yet to personally test or verify.

From my understanding of it on mobs T or lower eva skill + adds no evasion

and agil/2 added with eva+ gear is what will help you capp out your eva in essence.

Below a certain player skill level skill adds either eva at a 1:1 ratio or a 1.1:1 ratio, I think I've read at lower skill levels weapons return a 1.1:1 acc return rate, the presumption is like your skill level with weapons evasion will operate in a similar fashion, which has yet to be tested and verified due to lack of freetime.

All eva will help you cap your eva, agi is a 2:1 ratio for +eva.
The other things you're gaining from agi are resistance to crit, and parry.

The name of the game is total eva. If you can get 10 eva on a body, or 8 eva body with 6 agi, take the 8eva 6 agi.

However on monsters Vt+ and things such as higher lv nms you will get better results from the skill+ gear (at .9 eva per skill rate and raising the floor to your peak possible eva %), and the eva gear and agil/2 will remain static.

You have this partially correct.
The return rate for +eva is presumed at this point and will eventually be tested and found to be virtually if not identical to normal eva, or be found to have a diminishing return of .9 eva per +1 skill, past a certain skill level. If there's some special way that +skill operates on weak mobs versus higher level mobs, I've never seen anything compelling to support it, but I can definitely tell you that skill has nothing to do with your highest possible rate of evasion, that rate is hardcapped at 80%, and I don't think that below that cap say against an HNM, skill is going to raise your maximum rate of evasion, simply because if you replace say 6 evasion skill on hands against Behemoth or Cerebus or Khimira with 6 normal eva, or the other way around, I don't think you'll notice a difference, and if you do it will be a .6% lower rate of evasion with the +skill, I do not think there are hidden caps to your rate of evasion against high level mobs that is raised by skill, and even if there were I'm not sure if you'd be hitting them against any given mob, considering you're using boxers and evasion torque because they're the best pieces in that slot anyway, the other other items are +6 skill hands, and +3 skill earring. The skill hands are arguable if and when someone ever proves that skill is better, which probably wont ever happen, and the +3 skill earring is vastly inferior to the +6 and +7 you can get on ears with Triton and Novia.

Now since anything T or lower is easy anyhow and should be fought with dd setups not eva setups my Q's will be based on things such as Vt-It monsters and HNM's (obv i know this will vary greatly but ill use specifics later on). Also keep in mind on these Questions they will be based off NOT THF but instead my MNK, PUP, and SAM who will have 256 base eva and 8 in merits totaling 264 eva skill native. Im mainly concerned with mnk here ;D i realize the other 2 are different eva skill cap but so close i wont worry as this should all hold true for them - a few skill lvs.

I just recently talked ingame with a mnk about evasion and such.

I still think you hit the evasion skill diminishing returns cap granting only .9 evasion per point of skill, even as mnk, especially with +evasion merits. In fact I think most jobs with a C or higher in Evasion probably hit the diminishing returns cap, and if not probably hit it with Boxers and Evasion torque, which as I stated earlier are already the best for their slot so they might as well be factored in by default, the only up-for-grabs slots are hands and ears, as far as I can recall offhand. And feet, I forgot those, I think mnk can use those +skill feet that have parry and might have guard? I'd have to look it up. If they have guard they're probably best for a more well-rounded setup, but I personally have no interest in them as I use pure evasion/agility and wont sacrifice any of it, even for parry, which is why as sexy as gnole crown is I wont be touching it. Gnole crown is another that I think is +skill, and due to the other stats on it for mnk probably the best head.

I want to be able to solo better things such as Imp in mire and some higher lv mobs like VT peiste and quads ($ right now). I would also like to test myself on lower tier hnm such as behe, ada (with helper taking ads), serket, and KA. I am also up to suggestions on other good challenges to take on solo ;D. From my understanding I would benefit on all these mobs more from eva skill gear then eva+ gear and agil would this be correct?

See above but in black and white, no, incorrect.
I'll address your specific gear slots below.

The main peices of gear i have issue with is....

first Hands: i currently use patriacrs (+6 skill), but if i am wrong about how i been viewing eva would ratsue (10 eva) or s. kote 15 agil be better?

Ratsue +1 or gtfo. +11 eva +1 counter.
Nobrainer.

sencond earring: Atm i use eva earring, same issue as above would 3 agil or 5 eva be better, possibly can get that 7 eva skill earring too.

Are you confusing evasion and evasion skill? The +7 evasion earring is normal evasion not evasion skill, Novia. Novia/Triton are the best earrings you can get for Evasion. Forget about Evasion Earring, it's a 300k+ piece of shit.

Back: boxers mantle i use atm but would corse cape be better? or maybe toredors even? Is ther a better eva mantle im missing?

A bit of time on wiki would be helpful for you, Toreador is equal to Boxers for only evasion on the .9 return but it makes you get critted to all shit, don't use it, ever.
Corse is inferior, especially for mnk, the +evasion skill still comes out to +9 which is still better than Corse, and it has Guard.

Rings: would 4 or 5 agil beat out the 2 eva on wivres?

5 agi will beat 2 eva.
4 agi will equal 2eva.
Wivre +1 are what I use, and would be best.

I've been offered 500k a piece for them.
All I can say is lol. I don't downgrade gear and eva gear is the last thing I'd ever sell.

you can see my predicament lol.... I think i have the best eva gear i can get, i got all the +skill peices but i have heard that i may be wrong and if so id like to change that asap ;D any help would be nice.

Btw i realize this might go better in the mnk forums but recently i just dont trust them they want to blood tank everything hehe. Plus i figure thfs would know more overall on eva since its such a crucial part of the job, especially in solo where you cant rely on counter to save you.

To recap for you;

Skill is not important against low level mobs because you don't need to squeeze out a tiny boost to evasion since you're probably capped on most things with a full eva set.

+Skill versus normal eva against higher level mobs likely does nothing to your evasion cap, if indeed there is a confirmable cap on evasion below the normal 80% cap dictated by mob level, it's unknown to me, but I'll keep it in mind for future testing.

For you, Gnole crown, I just looked up the feet they have parry but not guard, so stick with Dance+1 or whatever else the best feet available to mnk may be, I haven't looked much into mnk's max eva setup. Get yourself the +1 hands with +11 eva and +1 counter, and some +5 agi rings, or wivre +1.

[nefarious.lover]

Also you can remove the "s" from Kings.
There is only one.

[azagarth1]

Ty lol, ya i didnt know if i had it correct or not, glad you filled me in now ;D

ill be trying to balance my build as much as possible so my dd doesnt go out the window but eventually it be nice to just have a super eva build for when getting hit really must not happen.

atm i think slots ill take a hit in eva for some dd would be

Body : enkidus over sh+1
Legs: melee over raven
Rings: rajas, ill probably get a wivre+1 for second not sure yet. If nothing will get an agil4 ring
Belt: brown haste is to nice, though i do own a scouters which is huge help.
1 ear: brutal for nice dot.

sad thing about this build is i lose around 31 eva lol... if im looking at really nice eva ger for those slotts... will have to test and see if it will be worth it. Since im mainly concerned about things such as small hnms, i cant have them rage so i can have to balance in some dd gear.

[Ture]

You also have to balance with what kind of support you have. If your going solo eva might take more priority, but if you have a bard the haste/dd factor will be a major help.

[treelo]

You also have to balance with what kind of support you have. If your going solo eva might take more priority, but if you have a bard the haste/dd factor will be a major help.

This is quite true. When duoing Behemoth or soloing Serket, rage timers are obviously an issue, I'd assume less of an issue on MNK but this is the THF forum so you can kiss my furry white ass.

Knowing exactly how much EVA you're going to need will allow you to swap around pieces to increase your dmg output, which obviously suffers significantly from the loss of TPing gear. Striking the right balance is the difference between raging something with capped evasion and killing it before the 30mins are up, still with capped evasion.

Duoing with any job capable of hasting and/or curing alters the situation somewhat. Capping your evasion is no longer an issue, I usually settle for anything between 50-60% evasion rate (anything where timers are no longer an issue will suffice though, be this higher or lower) to get a good balance between DDing and tanking.

[ciscokid]

I didnt need anywhere close to my full Evasion set for soloing serket, just torque and boxers. Easy fight n fun.

If you have the common gear these days the zerg timers shouldnt be an issue either.

(my first time soloing him and I forgot to dbox my ring ; ; lol)

[Tarmo]

Claimed my first Serket solo today, and I was only able to get him down to 12% b4 he raged. He was very lolable on accuracy, i was using Homam legs instead of Raven Hose, x2 Tor. rings, and Supp. in stead of an eva earring. I just couldn't get him down fast enough. I'm thinking that I should maybe swap O hat for Walahra Turban? Any tips, like what bolts i should bother using etc? Ty in advance.

[nefarious.lover]

Claimed my first Serket solo today, and I was only able to get him down to 12% b4 he raged. He was very lolable on accuracy, i was using Homam legs instead of Raven Hose, x2 Tor. rings, and Supp. in stead of an eva earring. I just couldn't get him down fast enough. I'm thinking that I should maybe swap O hat for Walahra Turban? Any tips, like what bolts i should bother using etc? Ty in advance.

Hows your RACC set look?

If sleep bolts proc, and acid bolts proc, and you weren't using them, that's your 12% right there.

[Tarmo]

Used sushi and acid bolts, and idk if sleep bolts work on Serket. I only missed a few RAs the whole fight.

[nefarious.lover]

Landing a blind bolt means more time in DPS gear because you'll need less eva.

Landing sleep bolts means you can pop SA>>WS midfight if you find out it lands long enough.




Doesn't he do a zerk move? This is why I do 5/5 aurasteal.

[pathwriter]

Scorpions have an Attack Boost, but I frankly cannot recall if Serket uses it. Of course, I specifically curtail his gain in TP by being a Monk, so I see as few TP attacks as possible.

[treelo]

Used sushi and acid bolts, and idk if sleep bolts work on Serket. I only missed a few RAs the whole fight.

Coeurl Subs are your friend.

I don't remember him using the attack boost move, mostly it was evasion boost and the various AoEs.

[SirrusAndShadshot]

I don't remember him using the attack boost move, mostly it was evasion boost and the various AoEs.

This. For Serket (I think a King V. also) the normal scorpion attack boost is replaced by a move called "evasion".

[nefarious.lover]

You would be correct.

I've never tagged serket solo so my frame of reference is a bit off.

[Ture]

Shit is situational, but with relic your likely to be beating mobs down pretty fast, the 8 eva is likely to show more than 6attk against a farming mob.