[alexxisonline]

don't mind me just came here to see kaparu get lol owned on page1

[Saxonian]

don't mind me just came here to see kaparu get lol owned on page1

I doubt he's getting owned, his advice is usually right, but he's just a complete cunt about it hence the hostility towards him.
I don't mean to feed his already large ego, but he doesn't affect me anymore.

[FurionStormRage]

He does tend to have good advice, he's just a gigantic asshole about it and, so far as I've seen, incapable of realizing that elite does not always mean douchebag.

[AsDraBael]

Since a shield block reduces something like 50% damage depending on the shields defense, assuming the mob is hitting you for lets use an easy number, 100 a hit and is a high enough level that you can't get capped shield skill currently so lets assume a 55% block rate on 100 hits for 100 damage unblocked. Thats 10,000 damage if nothing is reduced. Now with a shield on:

thats 4500 damage unblocked.

2750 damage from the blocked hits.

So thats 7250 damage so you reduced 2750 damage without either body.

Say you use darksteel +1 for -4% physical damage. so thats -4% from every hit you take, blocked and unblocked. So thats -180 damage from the unblocked hits, and -110 damage from the blocked hits, soa total of -290 damage from darksteel, so you reduced 3040 damage total between blocks and darksteel body.

Now say you put the augmented adaman body on with +8 shield and lets wildly assume it somehow added 5% shield block to put you to 60% (which we all know it won't).

Thats 4000 unblocked. 3000 damage from the blocked hits. Thats 3000 damage reduced, which is still less than the darksteel.

On equal footing, -physical damage reduces more raw damage than shield blocks do over time. Shield blocks main bonus is the no interruption when you block, and the extra TP.

Thats why valhalla body and head are better physical tanking gear than say mhead and this body, but I still wouldn't honestly recommend for someone to wear darksteel body, or the augmented adaman body because both are fucking ugly as sin, and the ACP body and ares body both beat both bodies in 90% of situations, and my inv is already clogged enough with situational gear to add darksteel on top for only an extra -290 damage saved over the course of over 7000 damage.

Also, now that I've defended Kapura's point, hes right, he does usually give good information. The problem is, he over-exaggerates the importance of some ultimately minor adjustments. He said himself that some of what he suggests may not actually work as well in a real situation as in the glass bubble we create to prove which gear is ultimately better, which is probably one of the most correct things he's said. Hes an over-analyst who likes to push his point over people to make himself seem better, and this arguing for the use of darksteel +1 is just another of the ridiculous exaggerated gear arguments.

[Kaparu]

I'll kindly ask you to point out where I claimed that Darksteel +1 has an incredible edge over the aforementioned augmented body.

Its easier to attain and better to some degree, and therefor would be the wiser choice. I've said nothing more, and nothing less.

And its not as if I'm naive enough to believe it will make a difference to any of you, but Kaslo and and the cunt that drops in every now and then picked fights with me, not the other way around. Try reading instead of just seeing what you want to see, thanks.

[Kaslo]

So DRing is terrible, by your logic?

Not using something because the general population doesn't think it's good v. Not using something because you don't have it?

I don't follow your "logical" analogy sir.

And Kap, I don't try to start fights with you. I only posted here to show this find, which you responded "Darksteel GTFO." I don't have a problem if you will post your opinion and move on, but when you are a complete asshole about it I will be an asshole back... And really had you never stuck your head into the BLU forums where you don't have a full knowledge of the job (atleast to the best of my knowledge your not a 75 experienced BLU) and act like you know more than the Vets that have been testing things then you really don't come off well ya know?

[FurionStormRage]

Not using something because the general population doesn't think it's good v. Not using something because you don't have it?

I don't follow your "logical" analogy sir.

My logic is simply that having some Darksteel gear in an "oh shit"macro, where PLD does not have any other means of reducing physical damage, makes complete sense to me, the same as using a D Ring if you are fortunate to have one.

The general population can believe that -Physical Damage Taken on the Darksteel is or is not a good idea, but the math simply states that it is, and I'm not going to knock anyone who doesn't use it, but Eanae's comment was flat out wrong, reducing your damage taken by any means possible is the best option when you are getting hit.

[artaxerxes]

I doubt he's getting owned, his advice is usually right, but he's just a complete cunt about it hence the hostility towards him.
I don't mean to feed his already large ego, but he doesn't affect me anymore.

It helps that he's so darn cute, it's easy to get mad at an uggo, but gosh i'd go gay for him in a heartbeat

[Kaparu]

And Kap, I don't try to start fights with you. I only posted here to show this find, which you responded "Darksteel GTFO." I don't have a problem if you will post your opinion and move on, but when you are a complete asshole about it I will be an asshole back... And really had you never stuck your head into the BLU forums where you don't have a full knowledge of the job (atleast to the best of my knowledge your not a 75 experienced BLU) and act like you know more than the Vets that have been testing things then you really don't come off well ya know?

Again, go back to page one.

You: Hey, look at this new body I found, I think its good!

Me: Darksteel and Valhalla are better.

You: But Darksteel and Valhalla don't have shield skill.

Me: Darksteel and Valhalla are still better.

You: But Paladins don't use Darksteel. Also, I hate you.

[Kaslo]

Actually you reread, I was posting this mainly because of the shield skill (which is in a slot where paladin didn't have a shield skill option) and to be fair there are still situations where you will want shield skill, it may not be /war (and sorry I made a reference to it, didn't think it would make you pigeon hole the item into that discussion) but it still exists. I guess we should never discuss new gear unless it is "superior" to every other piece of gear in existence in every imaginable situation. Am I doing it right?

[Kaparu]

I don't really get your point. I never said that it didn't have.. shield skill, I just suggested superior alternatives. If there are better options available, I don't see the desirability.

The only application I can see for it is a swap for the end of an Ichi macro, which is a silly suggestion in itself. I can't get most of you people to swap between two body pieces, much less sway you into tossing a third in there for the split second before your shadows go up.

[Kaslo]

I don't really get your point. I never said that it didn't have.. shield skill, I just suggested superior alternatives. If there are better options available, I don't see the desirability.

The only application I can see for it is a swap for the end of an Ichi macro, which is a silly suggestion in itself. I can't get most of you people to swap between two body pieces, much less sway you into tossing a third in there for the split second before your shadows go up.

The only application I can see for it is a swap for the end of an Ichi macro, which is a silly suggestion in itself. I can't get most of you people to swap between two body pieces, much less sway you into tossing a third in there for the split second before your shadows go up.

I can't get most of you people to swap between two body pieces

you people

you people

you people

Racist...

But to be fair I macro swap as much as possible, wish I could more but I don't play on PC so I can only do so much before I'm spending too much time macro swapping than doing my job.

[Kaparu]

Racist? Not at all.

Everyone is equally inferior to me.

[FurionStormRage]

Racist? Not at all.

Everyone is equally inferior to me.

Sorry, that's just not true, I'm much cooler than you are.

[Kaparu]

Sorry, that's just not true, I'm much cooler than you are.

I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the knockout(and subsequent Raise III) your right to say it.

[FurionStormRage]

I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the knockout(and subsequent Raise III) your right to say it.

Well played sir.

[AsDraBael]

Kaslo is black?

[Ryuumaru]

Again, go back to page one.

You: Hey, look at this new body I found, I think its good!

Me: Darksteel and Valhalla are better.

You: But Darksteel and Valhalla don't have shield skill.

Me: Darksteel and Valhalla are still better.

You: But Paladins don't use Darksteel. Also, I hate you.

I'm starting to like this guy.

Obviously if you're using those two bodies for an oshit/shield macro (which you should) you'd couple them with other -damage taken gear to get the full effect. You can go ahead and put on that shield skill body if you want, but it's not going to do shit when you already have 318~ shield skill in that macro.

As for PLD/WAR, with capped merits, schaller, shield torque, af+1 feet, and boxer's mantle.. you can pretty much use any body piece you want. 'cause again... when you're 318~ shield skill.. hell even @ 310~ skill. it ain't going to do shit. so for fuck's sake, just stick to a blood tanking body like valla, ares, koenig, or even valor for that sub job.

[AsDraBael]

I'm starting to like this guy.

Obviously if you're using those two bodies for an oshit/shield macro (which you should) you'd couple them with other -damage taken gear to get the full effect. You can go ahead and put on that shield skill body if you want, but it's not going to do shit when you already have 318~ shield skill in that macro.

As for PLD/WAR, with capped merits, schaller, shield torque, af+1 feet, and boxer's mantle.. you can pretty much use any body piece you want. 'cause again... when you're 318~ shield skill.. hell even @ 310~ skill. it ain't going to do shit. so for fuck's sake, just stick to a blood tanking body like valla, ares, koenig, or even valor for that sub job.

Not saying this body is necessarily good, but it does have some applicable uses. Like for instance you could use this body and swap the boxer mantle for a shadow mantle and not lose any block rate while gaining the mantles occasional procs(5-9% procs). Or you could use this and swap your head to something else like valhalla helm, use your imagination. You'd gain 2 shield skill over even kaiser schaller, and still get -5% damage with valhalla.

You still want to put on -some- shield skill if you're blood-tanking, and this is such a high skill potential piece that it can replace another slot for a useful stat not available on body. Can't think of anything particularly fantastic on neck or feet, but back and head both have some nice potential swaps.

[Tempestwolf]

I can't help but have flashbacks from when I got my Askar Feet and started using those over my Gallant right now ;x