[Banggugyangu]

I cannot figure out how people play without macros. Ok, if you're a newbie and it's 2004 and an Ice Staff will set you back a cool three million gil, I can understand why you wouldn't have the staves to macro around and can just limp along with your Rose Wand (+1 if you're rich, OMG!). Here in 2009, I still run into a lot of people who say, "I don't use macros," and my only response is an internal thought: "Oh, so that's why you suck." I was among the first serious NA Monks on my server (not the first by a long shot, but part of the first generation) and once I found out that I didn't need to full-time my Temple Gaiters for Dodge, I didn't. That's actually a lie, too, because I knew that before I even got my Gaiters. Fast-forward to playing Bard and the very idea of playing that job without macros is unthinkable, although I know there are plenty of people rocking an NQ Harp and casting Ballad and Madrigal on everyone in the party with it.

I have no doubt that you aren't like that now, I just cannot figure out how people can resist it so much. I suppose it's just a function of the jobs I played. Getting by without macros simply made no sense.

It wasn't that I didn't play without macros, I just didn't have a need for them at the time. The spells I was casting were dia 2, cures 1-5, regen 1-3, and protect/haste/etc other buffs. Since I was meleeing, macroing a light staff was self-destructive. Nothing else to macro in except the few rare healing magic and MND pieces that I didn't have already from what little melee gear was available at the time for WHM. Those pieces also only showed any real benefit for stoneskin and cure 5. At that time, you didn't PT w/o a BRD or RDM or both, so debuffs were handled generally by the RDM. Stoneskin, I had macro'd w/ MND gear simply because it helped. Honestly, since level 35, I had already learned the majority of how almost all abilities WHM worked. *People make fun of me because I actually enjoy studying stuff like that.* I also agree: failing to macro gear swaps is just lazy/stupid/ignorant.

*edit* I really feel that I wouldn't be the WHM I eventually became, if I had simply sat in the back and hit the same 10ish macros constantly. I somewhat pride myself on how fast I was and still am with debuff removals using either hand typed commands or the magic list. Today, since I use spellcast and the magic menu is friggin GIGANTIC, I simply hand-type debuff removals. I get confused on where my macros are because I generally don't get a chance to look up there and am too busy to memorize them. It also prevents me from casting the wrong spell by accident *which I still do sometimes when nuking on SCH*. But now I go to bed, as I'm currently sick and somewhat tired.

[xPaperdoll]

best fucking post in the thread. thanks for setting me straight, sorry for being a bitch path.. i hate feeling attacked ._. i'm brand new to all of this.

You're not new, lol. You've been playing this game in some form since what...2005? How many servers/characters was that? Every time with a new account name, and every time claiming you're gonna get to 75 in a month, just to quit 3 weeks later because everyone bashes you in the forums for being retarded/weaboo/calling everyone a cunt.

How many times have you leveled whm to 45+? I know you never actually had SMN75, but you sure claimed you did 3-4 accounts ago. Puhlease. I'm the one who had to listen to you bash the community every time you quit. *eyeroll*

Also, lol...your RDM is not higher than mine. Last you said, you'd dinged 45ish on your SCH and I was waiting for you to level so we could party in Whitegate. Yet 5 days ago you were 60rdm and 60sch? Liar much?

[pathwriter]

Oh, good, I needed some drama today.

Even if this is true, I can completely believe it. Too many things smell wrong around here.

[shaddix]

funny thread, I also find the idea that people need "training" or hours of practice to be good at a job hilarious. This game is quite lenient when it comes to the skill required to be good. Yeah who can play without macros?

here are mine

CODE

alias ctrl` input /assist <t>;
alias ctrl1 input /equip feet "cure clogs"; input /raw /ma "cure iii" <t>; wait 0.1; /ma protect me; wait 0.7; sc set $curesetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias ctrl2 input /equip feet "cure clogs"; input /raw /ma "cure iv" <t>; wait 0.1; /ma protect me; wait 0.7; sc set $curesetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias ctrl3 input /equip feet "cure clogs"; input /raw /ma "cure v" <t>; wait 0.1; /ma shell me; wait 0.7; sc set $curevsetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias ctrl4 regen 2;
alias ctrl5 regen 3;
alias ctrl6 erase t;
alias ctrl7 esuna me;
alias ctrl8 sacrifice t;
alias ctrl9 haste t;
alias ctrl0 auspice me;
alias m1g13 sc set cfastcast; input /raw /ma "cure v" <p0>; wait 0.1; /ma shell me; wait 0.7; sc set $curevsetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias m1g14 sc set cfastcast; input /raw /ma "cure v" <p1>; wait 0.1; /ma shell me; wait 0.7; sc set $curevsetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias m1g15 sc set cfastcast; input /raw /ma "cure v" <p2>; wait 0.1; /ma shell me; wait 0.7; sc set $curevsetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias m1g16 sc set cfastcast; input /raw /ma "cure v" <p3>; wait 0.1; /ma shell me; wait 0.7; sc set $curevsetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias m1g17 sc set cfastcast; input /raw /ma "cure v" <p4>; wait 0.1; /ma shell me; wait 0.7; sc set $curevsetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias m1g18 sc set cfastcast; input /raw /ma "cure v" <p5>; wait 0.1; /ma shell me; wait 0.7; sc set $curevsetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;
alias ctrl- devotion;
alias alt` input /target <bt>;
alias alt1 flash;
alias alt2 paralyze;
alias alt3 slow
//alt4 open
alias alt5 /ma silence
//alt6 open
alias alt7 repose stnpc;
//alt8 sub
alias alt- sc set $idlesetvar;
alias win` dia 2;
alias win1 dia;
alias win2 diaga;
alias win4 aspir;
alias win5 drain;
alias win6 holy;
alias win7 banishii;
alias win8 banishiii;
alias win9 banishga;
alias win0 banishgaii;
alias winf1 protect 4;
alias winf2 shell 4;
alias winf3 invisible stpc;
alias winf4 sneak stpc;
alias winf5 raise 3;wait 1.2;raise 2;wait 1.2;raise;
alias winf6 reraise 3;
alias winf11 protectra 4 stpc; wait 0.1; input /p protectra <scall11>;
alias winf12 shellra 5 stpc; wait 0.1; input /p shellra <scall10>;
alias altf1 cura stpc;
alias altf2 curaga 2 stpc;
alias altf3 curaga 3 stpc;
alias altf4 curaga 4 stpc;
alias altf5 divine seal;
alias altf9 afflatus: solace;
alias altf10 afflatus: misery;
alias appsf5 input /item "poison potion" me;
alias appsf7 input /item "wizard cookie" <me>;
alias appsf8 input /item "remedy" <me>;
alias apps0 cure;
alias ctrlf1 stoneskin;
alias ctrlf2 cancel 37; input /echo ===Cancelling Stoneskin===;
alias ctrlf3 phys-;
alias ctrlf4 blink;
alias ctrlf6 blindna;
alias ctrlf7 cursna;
alias ctrlf8 paralyna;
alias ctrlf9 poisona;
alias ctrlf10 silena;
alias ctrlf11 stona;
alias ctrlf12 viruna;
alias ctrlalt0 benediction;
alias bsub exec whm2/blmsub.txt;
alias ssub exec whm2/schsub.txt;
input /echo ==whm2 xp macros==;

alias alt8 sleep;
alias altf6 sublimation;
alias altf7 penury;
alias altf8 celerity;
alias altf11 light arts;
alias altf12 dark arts;
input /echo ==SCH SJ==;

alias m1g1 input /ta <a10>;
alias m1g2 input /ta <a11>;
alias m1g3 input /ta <a12>;
alias m1g4 input /ta <a13>;
alias m1g5 input /ta <a14>;
alias m1g6 input /ta <a15>;
alias m1g7 input /ta <a20>;
alias m1g8 input /ta <a21>;
alias m1g9 input /ta <a22>;
alias m1g10 input /ta <a23>;
alias m1g11 input /ta <a24>;
alias m1g12 input /ta <a25>;

alias ctrlh input /heal on;wait 5; input /ma pollen me;

i have a huge macro-penis, and all my shit is memorized

[Gyth]

alias m1g13 sc set cfastcast; input /raw /ma "cure v" <p0>; wait 0.1; /ma shell me; wait 0.7; sc set $curevsetvar$obivar; curewait; sc set idle;

If you're using spellcast, why are you putting all that in your aliases?
And why is there a shell in the middle of your cure macro?

[Banggugyangu]

funny thread, I also find the idea that people need "training" or hours of practice to be good at a job hilarious. This game is quite lenient when it comes to the skill required to be good. Yeah who can play without macros?


i have a huge macro-penis, and all my shit is memorized

As I said before... some people don't need to experience LoO when leveling WHM. I'm not saying everyone does. I'm also not saying that everyone that does experience it magically becomes an amazing WHM. I AM, however, saying that there are many WHMs today that wouldn't be as good as they are had they not leveled through LoO. I also am saying that there are some WHMs that have leveled post LoO days that fail at the job and would most likely have become better WHMs had they leveled through LoO.

Is it necessary to build a good WHM? No. Is it a magical good WHM building zone of magical magicness? No. Can it help a potentially good WHM develop into a great WHM like few other zones can? Absolutely. There's no reason to argue that point.

Also, your macros seem like you started building them before spellcast was released and were too stubborn to convert everything over so you just decided to shove in some bastard sc lines to switch sets while keeping a cluster of aliases. People CAN play without macros. Will they be better? Not necessarily. Will the be worse? Not necessarily. I do play with macros now. I didn't then. I perform the same now as I did then. I, however, prefer to keep my macros neat and organized. They mostly all consist of single-line FFXI commands. I don't mess with aliases simply because I feel there is no need. Before the release of macro-books, I could understand it. Now, however, there are plenty of macro slots for all 20 jobs. If you're needing to shove 10 macros on the super key, then that's your own prerogative.

[alexxisonline]

You're not new, lol. You've been playing this game in some form since what...2005? How many servers/characters was that? Every time with a new account name, and every time claiming you're gonna get to 75 in a month, just to quit 3 weeks later because everyone bashes you in the forums for being retarded/weaboo/calling everyone a cunt.

How many times have you leveled whm to 45+? I know you never actually had SMN75, but you sure claimed you did 3-4 accounts ago. Puhlease. I'm the one who had to listen to you bash the community every time you quit. *eyeroll*

Also, lol...your RDM is not higher than mine. Last you said, you'd dinged 45ish on your SCH and I was waiting for you to level so we could party in Whitegate. Yet 5 days ago you were 60rdm and 60sch? Liar much?

Dear Risa,

This is the one time you are getting a formal reply Don't bother "gmailing" me, I have you filtered out. lol

I am allowed to do whatever the hell I want I've never played WHM as a main job before.
You know, this is the last time we talk. How awesome is this? Anyways, you can stop going in all of my old threads and acting like a cunt.
You're embarrassing yourself. I'm sorry your life sucks so badly that this is all you have going for you now...
and I know nobody else knows that except for me, (and probably your batshit insane mother). It's absolutely ridiculous what you're doing, but I'll play along just this once.
Anyways, you should really stop taking me so seriously, I tend to lie about almost everything.
Also, just because I taught you how to fishbot doesn't give you the right to act like a tough bitch now ;P
I quit FFXI for the final time. har har har.
Consider this your goodbye from me, in a FFXI message board post. (In a thread you're trying to derail and turn it into a shitstorm about who my true e-self is, oh shit!)
Nobody fucking cares. The only reason I even care is out of principle.
Anyways. Au revoir, enjoy your quasi-japanese lifestyle with your e-boyfriend and a mother who is worse than my own. Toodles! <3

[shaddix]

If you're using spellcast, why are you putting all that in your aliases?
And why is there a shell in the middle of your cure macro?

Because back when unbinding shit would crash windower I bound everything to aliases and use the alias command to swap my macros around when i change jobs, I still use that to swap around what to what and what. Though all the actual spells handled by spellcast, except for my cures as you can see.

Spellcast can add a small delay to cures, and another reason is that spellcast aftercast doesn't take into account fastcast. And if you recall you have to have a 600ms delay between swapping the same gearslot.

So a problem arises when you try to start casting immediately after spellcasts slowass aftercast gearswaps initiate. It will swap into my aftercast/idle gear at the exact moment I try to start casting another cure and I won't get any of my precast gearswaps in.

So I have to do that manual shit, use shell/protect 1 to trigger a spellcast parse to run some variable checks I have defined that determine my aftercast, hence the curewait alias which changes depending on what spellcast detects buffactive etc. dark arts lightarts encumbrance on my cure clogs/fastcast body. There's no way for spellcast to set a negative aftercast, so I need crazy workarounds. I do the same thing with brd.

Now, however, there are plenty of macro slots for all 20 jobs. If you're needing to shove 10 macros on the super key, then that's your own prerogative.

20 possible macros isn't nearly enough man, swapping macro sets(i mean like set1 to set2 to set 3 not books) is slow as hell. And besides that the in-game macros lag when you're using a keyboard.

[Gyth]

There's no way for spellcast to set a negative aftercast, so I need crazy workarounds. I do the same thing with brd.

Thanks for the reply.
I'm at the point of console execing txt files for gear swaps.
So you're 3 or 4 levels past that.

[octoberasian]

Temp-locking thread based on previous posts.

Either leave the bickering out of the Job Forums or post in Flame Wars to vent out.