[Vadiacuz]

i'm not sure is theres a tread with this subject already, but i thought i'd ask anyway.

I'm lvling drg right now and already have the celtine, but wanted to get both sides of the story... so yeah...

[Rockon]

V.fork

[XxShidobuxX]

the thala is prob better for all around endgame/merit. Evasion down proc, higher dmg You can hit 6hit easier with the extra Delay on it. The cletine is nice for soloing extra hp/mp +5 vit for jumps.

but with Drakesbane being a crit modded ws. Cletine + claymore grip + zahaks mail = +9% crit not including merits 4/4 crit

but wolf will tell you hell be here in a minute

[Wolf~Knight]

i'm not sure is theres a tread with this subject already, but i thought i'd ask anyway.

I'm lvling drg right now and already have the celtine, but wanted to get both sides of the story... so yeah...

Assuming /Sam:
Given you're lacking Askar or Rajas and have drakebane personally I'd say cletine, but if you have those but not aurum body thal is better because of 6-hit, but if you can manage to get aurum body + Rajas + Cletine I belief that to best combo, dunno what others think.
Other Subs: I'd say cletine pretty much, w/drakesbane.

[Vadiacuz]

Assuming /Sam:
Given you're lacking Askar or Rajas and have drakebane personally I'd say cletine, but if you have those but not aurum body thal is better because of 6-hit, but if you can manage to get aurum body + Rajas + Cletine I belief that to best combo, dunno what others think.
Other Subs: I'd say cletine pretty much, w/drakesbane.

I have Askar and Rajas... so Cletine? awesome. my wallet will be happy

[Wolf~Knight]

I have Askar and Rajas... so Cletine? awesome. my wallet will be happy

on non-/sam yes, but on /sam thal[or mezraq or skystrider for that matter] will beat it by 6-hit gain.
you'd need Aurum Cuirass for Cletine to become best.

[Vadiacuz]

hmm. alright then. thanks for your help ^^ means alot

[XxShidobuxX]

yay..... i was right for once! i think...

[Wolf~Knight]

yay..... i was right for once! i think...

dam I didn't even see your post til now

[XsilentX]

Hmmm what about Thalass vs. Skystrider (w/ earring), and if skystrider beats that (I think it does)... what about Skystrider w/ earring vs. Valkyrie's fork?

[XxShidobuxX]

think /sam weapons go V.fork > Strider > Thas-Clet

this also depends on how u gear the rest of ur Drg of course soo..... take that with a grain of salt. Hell give a shity geared player a relic doesnt mean hes automaticly gonna win a parse. Takes macro mashing and gear to win!

[Wolf~Knight]

Hmmm what about Thalass vs. Skystrider (w/ earring), and if skystrider beats that (I think it does)... what about Skystrider w/ earring vs. Valkyrie's fork?

Skystrider should beat thal if you have earring for sure, but I don't think it beats V Fork[higher dmg and DA] and cletine main thing is if aurum body it's bit faster than other polearm meaning more wses, and crit rate brings avg on drakesbane up, so would be tough to say for sure, Assuming you have a strong earring Assault[or augmented str/att or acc/dex from ACP chest].

[XsilentX]

Well what it boils down to for Skystrider (sup ear) vs Vfork (triumph ear) is 4 str 6 attack vs 3% DA, 2 base damage. The store TP is moot unless you can make it to a 4 hit build (that possible?), or if you miss a hit on WS that puts you under the 5 hit threshold. I don't know, i think it's a tough decision personally.

[Wolf~Knight]

Well what it boils down to for Skystrider (sup ear) vs Vfork (triumph ear) is 4 str 6 attack vs 3% DA, 2 base damage. The store TP is moot unless you can make it to a 4 hit build (that possible?), or if you miss a hit on WS that puts you under the 5 hit threshold. I don't know, i think it's a tough decision personally.

well if you assume "ideal" earring for V fork it's going to win that being +2 str/5 att earring from ACP chest meaning difference is 4 str 1 att, and the base dmg+DA would make up for that gap for sure.

[pathwriter]

Has anyone actually parsed a fundamental gain using Cletine/Claymore Grip for the Critical Hit Rate on Drakesbane against the more typical Thalassocrat/Pole Grip? Pretend there isn't a 6-hit advantage in favor of Thalassocrat, since there are surely people who cannot achieve that, does Cletine/Claymore actually produce an observable increase or is this forum-based wishful thinking?

[Rockon]

I'd test it if I could get my hands on a Cletine in the first place but it really doesn't seem worth any effort.

[XxShidobuxX]

wolf! the birds =( they call to us. Lets merit and lemme borrow ur thalas

[Aleera]

Bump..

I have a cletine.. trying to buy a claymore grip but there's only one on AH and 10k won't buy it, and it goes for 3k..lol Greedy ass fucks. Anyways, I've been using it in merit pts on DRG and it doesn't do too bad. I've only just gotten Drakesbane recently and only been in 2 merit pts since but my damage seems to be good enough. I've gotten up to 2.1k on birds so far.. nothing outstanding but the rest of my gear isn't up to where I would like it to be. :/ I got askar and homam and such, just no ares or heca yet. I got AF+1 hands for drakes (don't lol, the dex in place of the str over heca seemed better), working on getting the ACP body for drakes, working on ares atm, too, etc.

As far as losing a 6 hit build with it, I'm not really too concerned. After 6 hits I end up with 99.something TP, but as long as I throw a jump in there it fixes that, since I macro in barone for the TP bonus. If a jump counts as a swing towards the 6 hit build I end up with 101TP using it. After the first WS I get to 100 TP in about 5 more hits. I dunno if you wanna do any testing with me or not, Derock, but hit me up in game and we'll see if it's worth all the hub-bub. In the meanwhile, I don't mind using Cletine over Thal. It saves me gil and does just as fine. Just wish it wasn't such a damn bright green. >.> lol

[Rockon]

I've only been logging on twice a week recently for Limbus, but if you can always tell mars and she can get me.

[Kyte]

This is interesting to know, given that I'm considering leveling DRG and Cletine and Aurum body are things I could potentially get; plus Runic Key for easy Drakesbane access.