[Blueyes]

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Wow, ignorance is bliss, I hope. Bye guys.

[Kilhart]

/SCH?

That makes as much sense as a SCH/COR

No, Corsair is not a healer, There maybe be situations like very short fights where /WHM will be useful for 1 DS Curaga II but other then that no COR should ever be subbing WHM(or SCH? WTF), if they are it normally means they do not know how to play there job and have not invested in a decent quick draw gear set.

Most Corsair's with a real quick draw build will have there MP under 50% always for the latent +8 MAB of ugg pendent.

subbing SCH is useless, it does not offer anything of value and missed the point of why people sub WHM to begain with(Curaga II). Now this is all circumstantial on what you're doing but even if you were doing a merit pt for example I would take /DNC over /SCH.



Does Elemental Seal effect Quick Draw at all? I have never thought to try it. I should try ES Dark Shot a ice spikes off a squid man, see what happens, doubt it would do anything though. I know it can enhance things like Magic Finale but doubt it works on quick draw.

I've solo healed a merit party at birds as COR/WHM with no other healing in the party, and we kept chain for a few hours until people had to leave, so /WHM isn't as useless as you make it out to be. Although, bird camp is basically FFXI on easy mode.

This was before DNC was in the game, btw.

[Antithesis]

I've solo healed a merit party at birds as COR/WHM with no other healing in the party, and we kept chain for a few hours until people had to leave, so /WHM isn't as useless as you make it out to be. Although, bird camp is basically FFXI on easy mode.

This was before DNC was in the game, btw.

Mhm. I've healed a merit party at the Greater Colibri camp as well but I was on BRD/SCH instead of /WHM.

[Kilhart]

Galka BRDs are cheaters. They have a pretty high potential max MP.

As hume I was only able to get up to 660MP as COR/WHM for main healing. Was missing a lot of the better pieces, though.

[Antithesis]

Nothing beats Galka onry MP gear :3

[Arkley]

Subbing SCH isn't entirely useless, I've done the whole main-heal-a-meripo-as-COR thing as COR/SCH and COR/WHM, I found it much easier as /SCH. You miss out on a few things like Curagas, Stoneskin & Blink, but I can't imagine why you'd need them at birds. You gain far more than you lose, with the amazing MP management, another reliable sleep, regen 2, etc.

[Blueyes]

If you're needed to spam curaga, then yeah, /Whm is fine. But saying /Sch is useless is just pure ignorance. They both have their uses. They are situational subs. Nothing less.

[Gyth]

I do not where you are trying to come from where /SCH has practical use.

Sublimation

[rambus]

Sublimation

that is defeating the purpose of trying to be a main healer off a sub only.
curing my self for this or even casting a regon II on my self for this annoys me , i do not like wasting the time.

when you are trying to heal of a sub only I strongly advice whm for the fact you need AOE cure time to time because casting single cures takes too much time, subi will not let you rest and you end up needing to cure your self witch wastes mp. that or /dnc, in fact woudn't a COR/DNC be able to cure better in merit then /sch or whm with joy or something? or is that a bit risky? I would say better off making a sam sub it with sor and let cor sub a more DD sub like rng, war or nin.

maybe you guys live in a perifct world where you don't need AOE cures when trying to play main or support healer but I perffer to have those extra heals just in case. I will never sub SCH on a non mage job for this reason ( brd and cor). I can't really remember being in exp pt or any type event where i never used one sort of AOE cure for the duration of the objective.

even though summoner has to depend on sub cures too for the most part i would consider subing SCH on SMN for the simple fact it can help block damage like earthean ward to allow people to put ustu/ 3 eye recast so it may need less heavy curing.

[Antithesis]

that is defeating the purpose of trying to be a main healer off a sub only.

I stopped reading right there. Wow Rambus I honestly cannot believe how blind you are being.

[Arkley]

I would say better off making a sam sub it with sor and let cor sub a more DD sub like rng, war or nin.

Gimp the SAM's damage and make him heal so the...COR can...deal more damage...?

I would ask you if you're completely and utterly retarded, but it would be an entirely rhetorical question.

I can't really remember being in exp pt or any type event where i never used one sort of AOE cure for the duration of the objective.

Nor can I remember being in an exp party where people have died or the party has slowed specifically due to the lack of AoE cures.

[Blueyes]

maybe you guys live in a perifct world where you don't need AOE cures when trying to play main or support healer but I perffer to have those extra heals just in case. I will never sub SCH on a non mage job for this reason ( brd and cor). I can't really remember being in exp pt or any type event where i never used one sort of AOE cure for the duration of the objective.

And /Rdm is good why?

You keep contradicting yourself. If AoE cures are so important then why do you support /Rdm over /Blu?

[Kilhart]

I sub RDM on Tiamat since aside from the tanks, I'm the person who takes hate most often. Keeping Phalanx, SS, and Blink up all the time allows me to do more damage over time than idling with Rune Blade engaged as /BLM and dying repeatedly or holding back substantially. /BLU is similar, but iirc /RDM has higher survivability.

[rambus]

I stopped reading right there. Wow Rambus I honestly cannot believe how blind you are being.

and i can throw the same in your blinding your self trying to be different.

Im sure anyone that knows me way back can say the thing about me, I just find it funny that no matter what i say people are there to agure. I been on both sides of argument trying to defend a point before, I do not see how there is 3 sides however.

as far as the gimp job x or y is hard to generalize, do i think it is a good idea for all sams to do that? no, but i know there are sams that tried the sorbroro healing thing with /dnc and was mirly something to think about.

And /Rdm is good why?

You keep contradicting yourself. If AoE cures are so important then why do you support /Rdm over /Blu?

SCH and BLU are ok i guess if you only expect to lighty cure ( not a lot of damage at once, no idea where this will be and this has yet you be answered) RDM allows you to cure a bit easer ( maybe i am bised in only having 1 target cure and 1 aoe cure, maybe it will help your side more if you show what numbers you get exactly with these) and /WHM to help in curing heaver damage.

how much mind can a cor get anyway to support a stoneskin? brd can get close to cap if they try i bealve.

[Gyth]

and i can throw the same in your blinding your self trying to be different.

/WHM
-AoE cures (more useful when DDs take damage evenly, or you have a bard that hordes birds)
-divine seal

/SCH
-10% mp (light arts)
-~7%mp (conserve mp)
-50%mp spell every 2 minutes (penury)
-2mp/tick (sublimation)
-regen 2
-fast cast
-256 healing skill (heals soft capped anyway?)
-aspir???

[rambus]

/WHM
-AoE cures (more useful when DDs take damage evenly, or you have a bard that hordes birds)
-divine seal

/SCH
-10% mp (light arts)
-~7%mp (conserve mp)
-50%mp spell every 2 minutes (penury)
-2mp/tick (sublimation)
-regen 2
-fast cast
-256 healing skill (heals soft capped anyway?)
-aspir???

you do realise your trying to teach me a job i have at 75 right? I also hope you realise I was one of the first trying to get whms to sub it when it was first out over /blm. I also use it on blu when put in a position like that but i useally use a different job though. I have it done it on SMN but that is the point i start to dislike it a bit for reasons i said.

I do not know why you do not get why your missing my point in casting times, your max for a cure on sch is 180 where /whm you can get up to 2160 on a single cure spell, saves time. while you are wasiting time curing light damage like that you can take more damage in the process. depending what/ where are you curing you are not goign to keep up on 3 cure spells alone.

not having a stoneskin makes using sublimation rather limited.

http://killingifrit.com/forums/index.php?s...176760&st=0

curing power is not as questioned as much since the main can help with that but it is not much different if you are really bent in wondering what sub job cures better ( correct answer is none and depends on the situation and if more then one person going to take heavy damage, need erase etc).

[Arkley]

I'd still like to know why you'd rather gimp a SAM's damage and make him heal than do the same to the COR, Rambles.

I do not know why you do not get why your missing my point in casting times, your max for a cure on sch is 180 where /whm you can get up to 2160 on a single cure spell, saves time.

It also grabs a lot more hate, and costs a lot more MP, and if it isn't necessary, it's a waste. Birds don't have any AoEs, and only one out of their 3 moves deals damage, and it's a move that is both blinkable and weak. Curagas are entirely unecessary on birds 99% of the time, and things offered by /SCH outstripe /WHM by a long shot at that particular camp.

And no, lacking stoneskin does not make Sublimation limited, because if you're finding time to rest in a merit party you're doing something fucking wrong. Even as COR/SCH, between having Evoker's half the time, Ballads from your BRD, Sublimation, MP cost reduction and Penury, and actually being able to cast a decent Aspir, you won't need to rest anyway.

[Gyth]

correct answer is none and depends on the situation and if more then one person going to take heavy damage, need erase etc

K, there is a big difference between "shit is situational" and claiming /sch has no practical use.