[dakpluto]

No, you do not need to CFH. We never Call for Help.


The only reason some people call for help is give a target because of #3 (and I believe SE prioritizes CFH mobs to draw before unclaimed mobs.) Hint for that: Giants and Spiders almost never clip. Bats clip like crazy.

[Littlebender]

Giant mmhmm.

[JudicatorAldaris]

CFH ftw, giant =

more hp
never dies
easy to pick out!
don't need to assist!

[dakpluto]

CFH.....no giants....gee, no wonder people here think 30k is a "good run."

[JudicatorAldaris]

CFH.....no giants....gee, no wonder people here think 30k is a "good run."

lol ok, if your runners are good they won't lose mobs though a Giant, as well as your astra flowers, flowing correcting with correct position and release from their avatar

Never said anything about 30k, but in the end

beggars can't be choosers

[Kaparu]

Can Dak's post be deleted please, Spira? You know full-well that I'm helping whoever decides to take some initiative and PM me.

[dakpluto]

Can Dak's post be deleted please, Spira? You know full-well that I'm helping whoever decides to take some initiative and PM me.

lol, did you even read the fucking thing? I didn't tell anybody 1 damn thing about how to actually do it. It still requires a level of thought. All I did was talk about the game mechanics that people need to get started to figure how to do it.


Morons will still be morons and die horribly.

Really, this is shit that people should know about this game already.

[Tzaellia]

wow really thats your clam
fail

seeing as i done one in Ordelle's Caves(much longer pull but alot more exp), you could do it in alot of zones, the only thing about Korroloka Tunnel, is it rigth next to bastok so it easy to wildcard but you could probly do this in any low level zone, with the rigth level sync

Haha. No shit. The fact that it's RIGHT beside a City is WHY ppl do K.tunnel all the time. Anyone who does burns on a regular basis knows this can be done other places... Ordelle's Cave... Delfutks tower... Valkurm Dunes... Maze of Shakrami... That place by Sandy with all the orcs...

The claim is we don't need competition. Period. Why would anyone. Frankly, the fact that you didn't figure that out is a little scary. I don't want to sound mean, but come on. It even sounds like you know how to do a Burn. Why don't you offer to educate ppl then.

[DarkRift]

OK...gonna go the middle ground here and HELP people with setting this up. But I'm not going to tell you how to do it. But I'll tell you everything that will help you figure out how to do it. I repeat, EVERYTHING YOU NEED is in this post. But it's up to you to figure out how to correctly use this info.


Gonna teach some important game mechanics that apply to summoner burning. Use these to figure out the correct method.


#1) Linking hate and aggro hate is garbage. It doesn't work like normal hate. Because no direct action is being performed on the mob, it doesn't change it's target when actions are performed on its target. But it's attention is turned when a direct action happens on it. This is why in a battle like airship a tank can aggro the mammets and you can cure him like crazy and nothing happens to you. But cast a single spell on a mammet and they charge you. Direct actions > indirect actions.

#1a) Casting magic on yourself has no effect of raising hate against linked/aggro mobs. They must have directly have hate on you.

#2) Resting does count as an action against a mob. It trumps aggro hate. Example, this is why you can't rest when pulling dragons in Dynamis-Beauc, or zoning babies on Achamoth.

#3) Assault, Release, and "Too far away" count as direct actions against the targeted mob. So does calling a BP against a mob, but this is very small hate.

#4) If still on a mob's hate list, using items, casting magic, etc. do generate hate and count as a direct action against a mob whose hate list you are on.



There you go. The most important things you need to know to Summoner burn. If you use this knowledge, think things over...rest on it some, you will begin to figure out how to correctly summoner burn, or more important, how to correct pull and hold a Summoner burn.

By the way, did you know Barspells are a great way of capping hate? Also a good way to pull hate of another person if they need to cast something.



OK, that's it for the clues. Technically everything needed to summoner burn is in this post. The rest I leave up to you.

A lot of those hate mechanics I already knew. The stuff I am missing from figuring it out on my own are things like...

1. What lvl sync is good for K tunnel?
2. Do you use 1-2 pullers?
3. how many summoners effectively take out the mobs? seems like 3?
4. do you think SE will nail ppl for this someday like they did with salvage dupe?

[Kaparu]

lol, did you even read the fucking thing? I didn't tell anybody 1 damn thing about how to actually do it. It still requires a level of thought. All I did was talk about the game mechanics that people need to get started to figure how to do it.


Morons will still be morons and die horribly.

Really, this is shit that people should know about this game already.

Directly or indirectly, its still a public announcement. Just tell people who ask, and leave it alone.

[DarkRift]

Well, you see, there's the problem. I am better than you, its not a matter of attitude.


Consider this my formal request for absolutely nobody telling this moron the proper strategy. Thanks.

I didnt even ask for a PM, but because of your post I just found out everything there is to know about smn burns.


So I have you to thank!


Thanks Kaparu for being such an ass other people noticed it and sent me a PM out of spite.

[dakpluto]

A lot of those hate mechanics I already knew. The stuff I am missing from figuring it out on my own are things like...

1. What lvl sync is good for K tunnel?
2. Do you use 1-2 pullers?
3. how many summoners effectively take out the mobs? seems like 3?
4. do you think SE will nail ppl for this someday like they did with salvage dupe?

1: sync varies on amount of SMNs really. Less SMNs, you will want a higher sync, more SMNs, you can go lower. You just want to make sure you are level 19 after everyone's AFs are done.

2: if you read and understand the hate mechanics properly, you will answer this question yourself

3: can be done with 3, but risky. You will want 4. 5 ends worlds.

4: no Salvage dupe was hit because it was just that, a dupe. It was taking a known glitch <-- (key word) and exploiting it. SMN burning doesn't exploit anything that hasn't been in this game since SMN has been around. It's no more of an exploit than manaburning, TP burning, RNG Burning, old TP Floor, or old WS TP. Will it be "adjusted" some day that SMN burning can't happen? Maybe, but they really don't seem to be in any rush to make it happen. In fact, SE has been doing what they can to make leveling faster and easier, so they honestly may not care anymore.

Other than getting levels faster, it really does nothing to hurt the game. It isn't a gil or item exploit. Doesn't hurt the economy, and in even helps some older things since you have lots more people coming up on jobs that need gear for them. So in many ways, it helps the game.



Again, the only reason we are being fairly secret about it is because we don't want it to turn into another crowded up shithole. I don't mind dispensing knowledge that will help the more educated people, but I'll be damned if I help the morons that will cause it to turn into the shithole. (Smart people also know that 2 groups can utilize the camp on a rotation with no loss of XP/hr)

[DarkRift]

Cool thanks for the info.

Thats honestly all I wanted, and I am not going to go do it. I understand everyone's resistance against giving it out, but I think the people who were going to do it would make it happen, and ppl like me were just curious. I still dont plan on going to the tunnel and messing up your camps.

Its just interesting to know how its done. Someday I might need this information for something unrelated. I like knowing it because I am a summoner and it has to do with my career job.


Edit: I also believe because it plays with our job, and mechanics of the game it should be common knowledge.



blahblah

Thanks again for info.



Edit2:

I think even if you posted a huge guide KI has low traffic so... yeah lol I wouldn't worry

[Crispleaf]

Can Dak's post be deleted please, Spira? You know full-well that I'm helping whoever decides to take some initiative and PM me.

That is a "Shrinking, Melting..." moment, if I ever saw one.

[Crisco]

I'm glad I got mine plenty already. And I will continue to until it's nerfed. Like others have said, If you can't figure it out without dude's post above, then you won't with it. and lol30k. I'm unsatisfied unless I get 50k on average. For those that try it, good luck. But if you see me out there, don't be a cock; wait your turn.

[Demireamer]

1: sync varies on amount of SMNs really. Less SMNs, you will want a higher sync, more SMNs, you can go lower. You just want to make sure you are level 19 after everyone's AFs are done.

2: if you read and understand the hate mechanics properly, you will answer this question yourself

3: can be done with 3, but risky. You will want 4. 5 ends worlds.

4: no Salvage dupe was hit because it was just that, a dupe. It was taking a known glitch <-- (key word) and exploiting it. SMN burning doesn't exploit anything that hasn't been in this game since SMN has been around. It's no more of an exploit than manaburning, TP burning, RNG Burning, old TP Floor, or old WS TP. Will it be "adjusted" some day that SMN burning can't happen? Maybe, but they really don't seem to be in any rush to make it happen. In fact, SE has been doing what they can to make leveling faster and easier, so they honestly may not care anymore.

Other than getting levels faster, it really does nothing to hurt the game. It isn't a gil or item exploit. Doesn't hurt the economy, and in even helps some older things since you have lots more people coming up on jobs that need gear for them. So in many ways, it helps the game.



Again, the only reason we are being fairly secret about it is because we don't want it to turn into another crowded up shithole. I don't mind dispensing knowledge that will help the more educated people, but I'll be damned if I help the morons that will cause it to turn into the shithole. (Smart people also know that 2 groups can utilize the camp on a rotation with no loss of XP/hr)

long long time ago when my drk was a much lower level and i was still new to the game (04ish) i trained a number of mob in Ghelsba Outpost, and then would kill them for gil and sell drops to npc, i did this till one day a person did a gm call on me and i was told to stop by the gm,

im guessing this means i was braking something in th ToS not sure what but these pt do the same thing so im not sure there 100% ok with the ToS,

[dakpluto]

Your GM was an idiot. ToS only says you can't gather if you do no not intend to kill.

[Xairos]

Directly or indirectly, its still a public announcement. Just tell people who ask, and leave it alone.

Isn't that what Dak is doing? Telling the people who ask?

Kap confuses me...

[dakpluto]

Not really, what I'm doing is giving people the info they need to figure it out on their own. I didn't even tell people how to do it.


But I guess reading is above some people and they just went ballistic and stupid and crying because they can't read.

[Wuku]

PM me info please.