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Sorry if this has already been figured out but the general consensus about High jump shedding 33% hate without Wyrm brais and 50% with them has bugged me for a while, so I gave a shot at trying to figure out how much of a percent High jump sheds. I know those two numbers were thrown around a lot well before Kanican's enmity tests were done which led me to believe they weren't accurate so I tried to make a test to find out at what percent of hate above another player will using High jump with and without the Wyrm brais make the monster change target.

I only tested CE for this but I would assume the same percent is taken off of VE also, neither player took any damage to lose CE (due to stoneskin) and the VE gained from spells was allowed to dissipate before High jump was used. Most High jumps either missed, hit for 0 damage or some hit for 4-7, but in those instances the small extra damage only helped that test.

I only did each percentage test with and without brais twice, so the sample size isn't great but I don't think there were any errors made especially when at exact percentages you can see where High jump without brais works and with one percentage of difference it doesn't and then the brais are needed. Sorry I couldn't pick better percentages but I had to work with the spells I had available to me. If anything is wrong about this please tell me, and if it's already been found out I guess I wasted an few hours and a thread.

Anyway onto the numbers, for any "Yes" I have under "High jump" and "/w relic pants" that means the instant I used it the monster's focus changed from DRG to the other player and obviously for any "No" it means hate stayed on the DRG. The % is how much more hate the DRG had over the other player and basically how much hate High jump then shed.

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My CE        DRG CE       CE difference     %         High jump       /w relic pants
700          1280             580          45           Yes               Yes
680          1280             600          47           Yes               Yes
600          1280             680          53           No                Yes
520          1280             760          59.375       No                Yes
504.4        1280             775.6        60.5937      No                No
440          1280             840          65.625%      No                No

From that I figure High jump sheds 50% hate maximum and with the Wyrm brais equipped it can shed up to 60%. If there are any glaring errors with how I tried to test this please post so I can figure out how to get it more accurate, but as far as I know that's how it works.

[Kaeko]

I usually only troll KI, but I thought I'd come out of hiding and post to say thanks for doing this test.

The numbers are a bit rough, so it's hard for me to conclusively say that 50/60% shed is correct (details get really annoying), but I suspect for most players, a rough percentage will suffice in terms of JA usage and gear selection.

[Jacker]

does anyone know if enmity+/- gear affects high jump hate shed at all either? or does it simply affect the hate gained from the high jump damage.

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The numbers and sample size are definitely rough alright, I wanted to do a lot more tests with larger amounts of CE but the DRG character I used for this only had RDM sub at 25 so there was no stoneskin and dispel/sleep. WHM sub was at 37 but it didn't really have any CE spells I could use, so I had to use his 37 BLU sub with Metallic body which only absorbs 60-70 damage. Coupled with the fact I had to find mobs hard enough where High jump with no equipment would miss or do 0 damage made it pretty hard to test, a bunch I couldn't finish after starting since he'd get hit and stoneskin would wear. I had to hope his Sheep song/Soporific casts would sleep the mob long enough so he wouldn't get hit and he also had signet's evasion/defense bonus but it wasn't enough.
Really messy but I'm glad the way I tried to test it was at least correct and even though it's hard to say it's definitely 50/60% I'm happier with that then the 33/50% that was thrown around and from what I can tell was completely made up from eyeballing it.

Also that's a good question Jacker I didn't think about testing that, I'll get on it later and see if it makes any difference.

[Rockon]

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Here's a small test I did to see if + or - enmity has an effect on the hate loss from High jump:

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My CE        DRG CE       CE difference     %         High jump      +5 enmity      -5 enmity
330.4          640             309.6       48.375       Yes              Yes          Yes
319.2          640             320.8       50.125       No               No           No

Correct me if I'm wrong but if enmity did affect High jump hate loss then the 48.375% test would have had the +5 enmity jump keep hate on the DRG. As enmity works as a percentage already I made the assumption using High jump with +5 enmity would have made it a 45% hate loss. So 45% of 640 would be 288, take that away from his hate and he's left with 352 CE while the other player has 330.4 CE, meaning hate would have stayed on the DRG. Right? Same with the other test at 50.125%, this time -5 enmity would have given a 55% hate loss. 55% of 640 is 352, take that away from 640 and the DRG is left with 288 CE which is less than the other player at 319.2 CE, meaning it would have changed target but it didn't. It could also mean that High jump is capped at 50% with no brais on but since +5 enmity had no effect either I'm going to go ahead and say enmity gear does not affect High jump hate loss. As for if it affects the damage done I'd imagine yes, but I don't know how to test that.

Also did another test with different CE values just to prove again the percentages for High jump with and without brais:

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My CE        DRG CE       CE difference     %         High jump       /w relic pants
330.4          640             309.6       48.375        Yes               Yes
319.2          640             320.8       50.125        No                Yes
260.4          640             379.6       59.3125       No                Yes
254.8          640             385.2       60.2%         No                No

As far as I'm concerned now with what I've seen I'm going to go with saying High jump without brais is 50% and with brais is 60% until someone else wants to test it and prove me wrong.

[Rockon]

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