[Fendasis]

The cops though... You have to go to college and what not. Gotta know your laws and everything. None of that ever stops bad apples from getting in though.

It's probably because of two things, but neither of the things you said are true where I live in Georgia.. (I know, it's Georgia)

Sadly being in a pretty small town, it's all about who you know. So that bit about going to college doesn't fly here. The most they have to do is take a week long training course that consists of two hours a day. We used to have officers come into the dispatching center and gloat about how easy the course was to "pass."

I think the worst part of it all is that it's mostly high school dropouts who had authority/ego issues when in school that go for the job. It used to be a majority of elderly men working the shifts but most have retired now, so you can imagine how fun it is to get a smart mouthed officer pulling you over and acting like you just insulted him when you simply said, "Yes officer?"

I would go into more detail but its 5a.m. and I don't even remember half of the shit I wanted to say.

Edit: Just remembered what I was trying to say.

[AroHurst]

You must have misread my post. I neither confirmed nor denied your post. I simply stated that there is a thread assigned for abortion debates, so don't bring it in here.

You definitely misread mine, but I don't break mine down into smaller segments the way I used to because Ono taught me that's the way to win friends and influence people (especially children and blacks, apparently).

[Samurai-Kimera]

Fuck that. I'm not going to do something "because the law says so".

It's my damned life and my damned choice. It's a pretty sorry day when you can't make the decision on whether or not you want to wear a seat belt which -ONLY- endangers your own life, but it's perfectly legal to kill a fetus because it's an inconvenience.

Yeah. You have no control over one thing that only endangers yourself, but feel free to commit murder. If something can't communicate, it obviously has no soul of its own after all.

Hahahaha, oh we got us a real e-thug right here. I'm sure you will wear your seatbelt if cop pulls you over with a $100 ticket, and tells your ass to wear it. If not I can only laugh at idiots like you who get pulled over in the next 3 miles for the same offence. Also get your bitch ass crying about a fetus out of here. Xani said it. Abortion thread is just around the corner. If a woman wants to kill it power to her. I'd personally do it too. I'd kill a fetus for a paycheck sir. Fuck their soul. I'll be waiting for your post there so I can laugh at you. Off this subject now back to the matter at hand.

Your all like oh yeah fight the system man, dont let the man keep you down. Fuck you dude. What have they done for you, you say. How about stop the other motorist next to you from plowing your ass off the road. To stop people on 21st street from stabbing your ass and watch them rape whatever lover you have then suck the entrails off their dicks. Try that.

[Villainous]

/sigh.. kids these days.. I swear, when did it become cool to like cops and trust the government?
saying something like this:

Fuck that. I'm not going to do something "because the law says so".

does not make you an e-thug, it makes you a perceptive and discriminating human being. The law is highly arbitrary, changes with day and location, and is largely decided by people who aren't you. seriously, check out some of these actual, REAL LIFE LAWS that YOU CAN BE ARRESTED FOR:

Massachusetts:
Shooting ranges may not set up targets that resemble human beings.
It is illegal to give beer to hospital patients.

Florida:
Unmarried couples may not commit “lewd acts” and live together in the same residence.
Doors of all public buildings must open outwards.

Alabama:
Incestuous marriages are legal.
Dominoes may not be played on Sunday.

Georgia:
All sex toys are banned.

Indiana
It is illegal for a man to be sexually aroused in public.
It is illegal for a liquor store to sell cold soft drinks.

you're so ready to embrace, the system, as you put it- I think if you actually knew what you were agreeing with, you might not see it so black and white like that.

[Xani]

you're so ready to embrace, the system, as you put it- I think if you actually knew what you were agreeing with, you might not see it so black and white like that.

I never said I embraced the system, nor that I trusted the government. What I was saying was that you should wear your damned seatbelt unless you want your head all over your windscreen. In regards to Britain's government - no, I don't support them. I think they are all making poor choices regarding the population of Britain and are quite frankly idiots who don't deserve to be in the seat of power.
But then again, what country has a decent government or politician?

EDIT:

Georgia:
All sex toys are banned.

That made me laugh.
Dirty man with treachcoat on walks up to your girlfriend and opens his coat displaying a colourful arrangement of rubber; "Hey there... You wanna... You wanna buy a - y'know - doohickey?"

[Samurai-Kimera]

/sigh.. kids these days.. I swear, when did it become cool to like cops and trust the government?
saying something like this:

does not make you an e-thug, it makes you a perceptive and discriminating human being. The law is highly arbitrary, changes with day and location, and is largely decided by people who aren't you. seriously, check out some of these actual, REAL LIFE LAWS that YOU CAN BE ARRESTED FOR:

Massachusetts:
Shooting ranges may not set up targets that resemble human beings.
It is illegal to give beer to hospital patients.

Florida:
Unmarried couples may not commit “lewd acts” and live together in the same residence.
Doors of all public buildings must open outwards.

Alabama:
Incestuous marriages are legal.
Dominoes may not be played on Sunday.

Georgia:
All sex toys are banned.

Indiana
It is illegal for a man to be sexually aroused in public.
It is illegal for a liquor store to sell cold soft drinks.

you're so ready to embrace, the system, as you put it- I think if you actually knew what you were agreeing with, you might not see it so black and white like that.

Never was aware it was "cool" to obey laws as well as I never implied it. There are laws you are welcome to fight against if you think they are unjust. Wearing your seatbelt, and driving over the speed limit are two of which that are dumb ass fuck to fight against. It'd be a whole different story Vill if I used one of those laws as a defence as such making it a horrible analogy for this arguement. WyldFyre is saying F the system F cops F all of it, my clear and accurate response was stated above, and it made total sense. Cops keep order, and if you can complain about that you're honestly fucked in the head. I mean seriously. Yes there are bad cops, and good cops as there are bad doctors and good doctors. Fact of life. To doubt the whole system is ridiculous. There is no perfect one out there. You have to accept the flaws and obey them. (Some are less enforced i.e. J walking on a residental or some crazy stuff. I also believe anal sex is illegal in michigan) thats time and money we'd have to go into to revoke such laws. Why bother. Anyway before this post gets completely derailed solid point driver go...

WyldFyre hates the system even though it keeps him safe on a day to day basis.
Simply stated ; dumb or ignorant.

This ain't woodstock man

[Cruzandercerberus]

lol please, they let dumber people in the military than they do in the police force, who are you kidding

Still smarter on average than civilians. And more fit than you undisciplined, whopper inhaling fattys too. Also wondering exactly which cops from which agency are smarter than which MP's from which service? Since it's not really fair to compare your average detective with your average navy ship painter any more than it is to compare your average special operations commander to your average house painter. I want numbers.

But then again, what country has a decent government or politician?

In B4 RON PAUL!!!!

[Varizen]

Vil, the Florida Law where doors have to open outward actually makes sense in terms of fire safety. It takes a few extra seconds to open a door you have to pull than push.

But, you forgot other fun laws like in the State of Kentucky, it is illegal for a wife to rearrange the furniture without her husband's permissions (old law, happened because a state senator came home drunk one night and tripped over a foot stool.)

In the state of Kentucky it is illegal to walk down the street with an Ice Cream Cone in your back pocket (Horse stealing technique. Horses like sweet things and will follow you if you have something really sweet. If you one follows you off the owners property onto your own it becomes your horse.)

In the state of Tennessee it is illegal to hunt ducks inside your car.

In the state of Tennessee it is illegal to land a bi-plane on the back of a moving pick-up truck.

In the state of Kentucky all bees entering the state must have a certificate of health.

In Yamhill, Oregon it is illegal to predict the future

In Michigan, No man may seduce and corrupt an unmarried girl, or else he risks five years in prison.

In Michigan, A woman isn’t allowed to cut her own hair without her husband’s permission.

In Detroit, Couples are banned from making love in an automobile unless the act takes place while the vehicle is parked on the couple’s own property.

In Detroit, It is illegal to let your pig run free in Detroit unless it has a ring in its nose.

In Detroit, It is illegal for a man to scowl at his wife on Sunday.

If you've ever driven through Georgia, the sex toys ban does not apply according to about half the billboards you will witness stretching for miles.



*edit*

I just had to add this after looking at Vil's links after I found it!

In Fort Thomas, Kentucky, It is illegal for Dogs to molest cars. http://www.dumblaws.com/law/1152

*edit2*

Ok... this just adds more fuel to my vow to never live in Tennessee... Just look at the whole state...

You can’t shoot any game other than whales from a moving automobile. (I had no idea they had Wild Whales in Tennessee...)

More than 8 women may not live in the same house because that would constitute a brothel.

It is illegal to use a lasso to catch a fish.

“Crimes against nature” are prohibited.

Driving is not to be done while asleep.

It is legal to gather and consume roadkill.

The definition of “dumb animal” includes every living creature.


Memphis Tennessee: This one takes the cake

It is Illegal for a woman to drive a car unless there is a man either running or walking in front of it waving a red flag to warn approaching motorists and pedestrians.

[firefeng]

Laws.

Reading these, Cruz's old sig quote about the madness of man comes to mind.

[Villainous]

I never said I embraced the system, nor that I trusted the government. What I was saying was that you should wear your damned seatbelt unless you want your head all over your windscreen.

I was talking more to Kimera mostly, but yeah, seatbelts are a law I agree with. Same as "don't shoot people" or "don't diddle the kids".. these are things that for 99% of the population are "common sense". What I don't agree with (well the majority anyway) is "lifestyle crimes" which instead of targeting a certain type of behavior, are actually just a pretense for targeting a certain type of person. I dunno about the UK but here, there are many, many, MANY laws like that. Police, as the agents charged with enforcing these laws I don't agree with- are to summarily be regarded with intense scrutiny and detached suspicion. Sorta the same way I feel about the government actually, and that's coming from probly the biggest Obama supporter on here.

It is Illegal for a woman to drive a car unless there is a man either running or walking in front of it waving a red flag to warn approaching motorists and pedestrians.

LOLOLO- wait a minute, you can't fit a car in the kitchen, what's wrong with this picture..

[Varizen]

IWhat I don't agree with (well the majority anyway) is "lifestyle crimes" which instead of targeting a certain type of behavior, are actually just a pretense for targeting a certain type of person.

Sort of like how Crack has stiffer penalties than Cocaine as more black people tend to use crack?

[Villainous]

Sort of like how Crack has stiffer penalties than Cocaine as more black people tend to use crack?

Precisely. Actually a few years ago, I think they finally equalized the penalties, but yeah that law was shit from so many different angles. The race issue aside, the law was just plain ineffective, and just resulted in alot of petty street-level criminals getting free room and board for decades. The big sharks they should have been after- distributors- don't make crack. Why would they limit themselves to the least affluent segment of the market? The audience for powder cocaine is wider by a massive degree, and ALOT better funded.

[Cruzandercerberus]

Because middle class drug users don't commit street crime.

[[Crack]]

If cops stuck to their little thing where they just protected people Id be cool with them. Its the whole thing of they would rather fuck over every single person they can before the end of the day. Sure if someone is speeding far over the limit, pull them over or what ever, but if its fucking 3 am dont be a cock and pull someone over for going 10 over the limit.

There are a few really cool cops out there, a few who arent uptight assholes because they didnt get laid in highschool, the sad thing is thats about 1% of them. They only become a cop to "be above the law" not to fucking help people. One time when I was working in a garage doing inspections, one cop came in with an illegal tint on his windows and spent 30 minutes trying to tell us its fine... No fuck you, if its not fine for the riced out civics, its not fine for you because your fat ass will be pulling them over tomorro for their tint. Enjoy the big red R on your new Jag, dick.

Every day people shouldnt fear seeing police on the roads. If you say you dont panic when ones behind you, you are a fucking liar.

[Villainous]

Because middle class drug users don't smoke crack.

fix'd

and yes, I'm aware that's a bit of a sweeping generalization, and I'm sure there are exceptions
but 99% of the time if someone can afford it they'll pick a better drug

[Icerat]

The race issue aside, Why would they limit themselves to the least affluent segment of the market? The audience for powder cocaine is wider by a massive degree, and ALOT better funded.

See below

Because middle class drug users don't commit street crime.

Exactly why, it is a victimless crime for the tv news anchor to snort cocaine. It is not a victimless crime when the crackhead robs a liquor store.

[Cruzandercerberus]

Exactly why, it is a victimless crime for the tv news anchor to snort cocaine. It is not a victimless crime when the crackhead robs a liquor store.

Yep, and the effort has been so successful over such a long time, that along with zoning laws that keep the poor corralled, you end up with a large portion of the middle class thinking that drugs should be legalized because they're basically harmless.

A liberal is just a conservative who's never been mugged.

[Varizen]

Actually, under the current system, there's several victims. For one, since you actually bought it, you've supported the street dealers who are more than willing to beat and kill rival dealers, as well as the violence between cartels that smuggled it up here combined with the violence in Columbia. People had to die to even get that anchor his cocaine. And all the money through all the channels to get him the cocaine went only to a select few people.

There-in lies the problem. It's only a victimless crime because you never see the faces of the victims. So the schmucks using the shit claim it's victimless and remain ignorant. Of course... part of this cycle is caused sheerly on account of the fact it is illegal, giving the law some responsibility. However, don't call something victimless when the world is a very dynamic place and required victims for the consumption. Mob bosses never lift a finger to commit the crimes they're responsible for. The drug user is just as much at fault then as a mob boss.

Normally, I'd say something along the lines of "just legalize and regulate it." Well. For Marijuana... that'd maybe work... (barring that people didn't get fed up with the highly watered down version the gov would allow, and continue on with the illegal stuff) But cocaine... The fact it has no redeeming medicinal capabilities combined with the damages it causes and that too much can make your heart explode... That's a harder case. The job of the US government is to protect its citizens, and sometimes, they need protecting from themselves. Normally I trust most people to be half capable of making competent decisions, but when it comes to ways to feel good people seem to throw caution and common sense to the wind, especially when they're young. Even though there is an amazing stigma
against cigarettes, people pick them up and start smoking everyday. Sure the number of smokers has declined over the years... but is that really to all the anti-smoking campaigns? Or is it the fact that smokes are freaking expensive in most places? They're still about $3 a pack in Kentucky... but most places will run you $5-7. And for a 2 pack a day smoker, you can't really afford $70-100 a week. Personally I think smoking is a terrible habit to pick up and I'm not all that interested in hacking my lungs up when I'm 40. But even if I wanted too, I'm a gamer. My hobby of choice already eats up a ton of money.

So it really comes back to trying to go after the people dealing the stuff. But then.... you get one dealer, another is there to replace him. So then you move it further up the chain. Wipe out the cartels. Well, there's still a supply, and another cartel will form wanting the money. So then you have to go after the supply... and the only way to defeat that is find a way to make it unprofitable. And making it illegal just makes it more profitable in a respect because you drove the price up due to difficulty. Leaving you with really... the only option is legalize and heavily regulate.

Also, When you look at the history of a lot of drugs though, the government really didn't care that much until the 1980s when the idiots started killing people in cartel wars.

[[Crack]]

No the government did give a fuck about drugs before the 1980s. Also it had little to do with drug wars and all the bullshit and more with scared white people going "THE BLACKS ARE DOING DRUGS AND RAPING WHITE WOMEN!! BAN DEH DRUGZZZZZZZ!!!".

[Varizen]

The whole "War on Drugs" thing is mainly what I meant. That didn't happen until hispanics were killing the fuck out of themselves and everyone else in Miami during the 80's. During the 60's and 70's it was illegal, but they didn't care so much about it back then. About the time they started cracking down, as you mentioned when blacks started getting ahold of the stuff, was the late 70s. Before then, the shit was so wide spread. Hell, in the 1920's cocaine was perfectly legal. It didn't become illegal until non-whites got a hold of it though. Cocaine was even a key ingredient in "Coca-Cola" Which used some stuff from the Coca plant. Fact remains though... cracking down on drugs was not a huge priority of the government until the 80s. Before then they were more interested in oppressing blacks and then giving blacks and women rights. Any sort of anti-drug movements were marginal until the 80s.

Tangent: I had a fucking idiot health teacher in high-school who was a loser ass stoner who had no idea what the fuck he was talking about when he was trying to teach us where certain drugs come from. He was trying to tell us chocolate and cocaine come from the same plant. I was like "Coach... Chocolate comes from the Cacao (pronounced ko-ko) tree... Cocaine comes from the Coca Plant." Then he looked at me and said "Ok. Sure. Guys, trust me, they come from the same plant."

I hate coaches that teach health classes...