[cmdrdredd]

I have heard that not many people invite RNG to merit PTs, even with their strength against birds. Partially because melee would complain we take hate and move the mob. Maybe also partially because there aren't enough RNGs out there that want to do it.

Anyway, Is this the case across all servers? From what I hear, on Fairy most people just get merits on WAR, SAM, MNK, or whatever other job they have leveled as well. I will be honest when I say I was kind of looking forward to getting into some RNG PTs at higher lvls. Unfortunately for me, it seems that doesn't happen very often if at all.

Just wondering what your take on this is like and whether I'd be better off just forgetting RNG unless I level sync (which I hate BTW because my skills won't be capped when I level up) and get merits on SAM.

[Hoshiku]

I joined a pickup group arrow burn on RDM a while back. We had a hard time finding well geared rangers, we kicked about 4 gimp rangers before I asked them to find another rdm and swapped to rng. In comparison to flagging up on BRD I find the invite rate to be slow on RNG, however it's faster than flagging up WHM and about the same wait as flagging up RDM. My biggest issue with RNG in merit situations is the fact that a lot of them tend to use scorpion arrows and AF1 body and think that is somehow acceptable. There are some well geared rng on Asura who I would not hesitate to merit with (and I think most people know who those people are in terms of pickup merits), however, there are also some people who have no business playing the job until they farm for decent gear and in terms of those people you just have to check their gear before you leave town and apologize and kick them.

[pathwriter]

Um... what exactly is wrong with Hunter's Jerkin? I'm not disputing the Scorpion Arrows, but I'm failing to grasp why Hunter's Jerkin deserves such scorn.

[Hoshiku]

merit mobs don't have insanely high eva, assuming you can't get an osode one would assume you'd at least go to the trouble of getting denali body or mirke wadecors. hunters jerkin usually indicates lazy rng (the same one who thinks war bow +1 and ruby rings are acceptable at 75).

[Kinrasha]

My beef is this. I have rarely seen demon arrows proc on birds or any other merit mob. The additional damage is not that noticeable.
I can see using demon arrows for sky or other events where every damage counts. However, in a merit party the mob dies way to fast for me to see a major reason to be prissy over arrows. The damage is not that drastic in difference, and on ws I'll maybe notice about 50-100 point difference on average if that. The mobs die a lot faster, and demons are 3 times the gil for barely noticeable difference. The attack down is nice, but if I really wanted to I would use o-bow over them then for the proc rate of arrows.

I will use demons if the party asks of it, but then I better see amazing results making spending 80k over 20k reasonable. Even holding back I still loose a few quivers before it is over.

[cmdrdredd]

I joined a pickup group arrow burn on RDM a while back. We had a hard time finding well geared rangers, we kicked about 4 gimp rangers before I asked them to find another rdm and swapped to rng. In comparison to flagging up on BRD I find the invite rate to be slow on RNG, however it's faster than flagging up WHM and about the same wait as flagging up RDM. My biggest issue with RNG in merit situations is the fact that a lot of them tend to use scorpion arrows and AF1 body and think that is somehow acceptable. There are some well geared rng on Asura who I would not hesitate to merit with (and I think most people know who those people are in terms of pickup merits), however, there are also some people who have no business playing the job until they farm for decent gear and in terms of those people you just have to check their gear before you leave town and apologize and kick them.

Well, I don't have gear issues, I have an osode, Seiryu's Kote (soon will have crimson as well), E.Bow, use demon arrows but I too don't see the big difference between scorps and demons for a spam PT. Then again I am not 75 yet so maybe I will notice something. I also have a Vulcan staff, Axe grip and whatever.

Basically I know my gear will be good. I'll be sitting on +41STR, +33AGI, +47 Ranged ACC, and +41 Ranged ATK when I WS assuming no food.


Going back to the original question, I was wondering what the deal was with no RNG PTs for merits. Now I suppose I see why. Cheap players. Every job has it's cheap players but I do notice the difference much more on RNG than most DD jobs. I know some cheap/gimp SAMs but they don't look that bad when you get rolling in the PT. It's not that noticable, but even at lower lvls (63-64) I can tell when a RNG is cheap and using gimp gear without looking. DMG numbers are low, way low. I guess in this case I will have to play SAM for my merits.

[Midnightwolf]

My beef is this. I have rarely seen demon arrows proc on birds or any other merit mob. The additional damage is not that noticeable.
I can see using demon arrows for sky or other events where every damage counts. However, in a merit party the mob dies way to fast for me to see a major reason to be prissy over arrows. The damage is not that drastic in difference, and on ws I'll maybe notice about 50-100 point difference on average if that. The mobs die a lot faster, and demons are 3 times the gil for barely noticeable difference. The attack down is nice, but if I really wanted to I would use o-bow over them then for the proc rate of arrows.

I will use demons if the party asks of it, but then I better see amazing results making spending 80k over 20k reasonable. Even holding back I still loose a few quivers before it is over.

I think it's pretty damn cheap to use arrows with only 66% the damage value of Demons, and even with a limited economy there is absolutely no reason to gimp out on arrows for WS. I totally buy why people don't TP in Kabura arrows, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea to have some for WS. Some sacrifices are reasonable, but RNG remains a pretty expensive job, and that's just the way it is.

[Rulob]

TP in Scorp and WS in Demon, thats what i do for merit pty. And yes I have an AFBody RNG still, and trust me is not cuz im lazy, is just i dont have enuff time to play while im in college, once term is over i plan on gearing better my rng. I do have some STR+ and AGI+ gear so I can do some heavy dmg still.

[Kinrasha]

I think it's pretty damn cheap to use arrows with only 66% the damage value of Demons, and even with a limited economy there is absolutely no reason to gimp out on arrows for WS. I totally buy why people don't TP in Kabura arrows, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea to have some for WS. Some sacrifices are reasonable, but RNG remains a pretty expensive job, and that's just the way it is.

I call bullshit. I use demons for ws if I really feel like I need to. However, I have, rarely if ever noticed a huge difference warranting the switch between arrows. Especially considering that in a merit party the mob dies fast as hell. It's not 66% the damage of Demons. If that was true I would use Demons over scorpions hands down. However, it's not.

It has nothing to do with being "cheap" or not. Fact of the matter is, unless demon arrows have a significant bonus in damage to warrant the ridiculous jump in price it's not worth it. I'm far from a cheap ranger, I do my best to have the best over all outcome. I have not noticed a drastic difference between demons and scorpions.

Talk all high and mighty you want, but when push comes to shove you aren't going to notice a drastic difference from just arrows.

[Antithesis]

If you really want to merit on Ranger get a Haste setup, use Dual Axe's / Daggers. Build TP to 100 then Slugwinder with Gun or Bow. Shooting for damage is really only viable with Crossbows (to a certain extent, Snapshot helps.)

[Hoshiku]

shooting for dmg is viable... you just have to befriend crafters or have a steady source of income. if you're really going to melee for TP you probably want to use a hellfire +1 to maximize your ws damage instead of using bow but you'd have to gain tp pretty quickly to compensate for the lack of ranged damage (k club or mkris i guess?).

[rambus]

If you really want to merit on Ranger get a Haste setup, use Dual Axe's / Daggers. Build TP to 100 then Slugwinder with Gun or Bow. Shooting for damage is really only viable with Crossbows (to a certain extent, Snapshot helps.)

NO

now depending on income you would tp in demon /scorp and WS/ barrage in demon/ K. arrows/ Ptr.prt. arrow

[Kaparu]

Two things: First, don't merit without a Kraken Club. Second, Scorpion Arrows are unacceptable beyond level 60.

[rambus]

Two things: First, don't merit without a Kraken Club. Second, Scorpion Arrows are unacceptable beyond level 60.

go do that then

[Hoshiku]

buy me a kclub prz (that BCNM is mean and showers me with black pearls q.q) :3
but with full snapshot gear/merits and a 6 hit build rng can hold their own without having to melee.

[Antithesis]

buy me a kclub prz (that BCNM is mean and showers me with black pearls q.q) :3
but with full snapshot gear/merits and a 6 hit build rng can hold their own without having to melee.

The mob will probably be dead before you get your fifth shot off.

[Hoshiku]

I'm not sure who you're meriting with that every mob dies before you can fire 5 shots using an ebow... but I haven't had trouble building enough TP to ws at least once per mob (of course I prefer mamool) but even in an arrow burn on colibri you get enough TP to ws once per every two mobs easily... But if you'd like to parse against me meleeing with a haste build vs my storeTP snapshot build, lets find a time to try it: i think you will be surprised.

[Fobos]

If you really want to merit on Ranger get a Haste setup, use Dual Axe's / Daggers. Build TP to 100 then Slugwinder with Gun or Bow. Shooting for damage is really only viable with Crossbows (to a certain extent, Snapshot helps.)

jesus christ no... This sounds like that asshole who said in another thread to TP with shooting and WS with rampage...

KC+Gun or gtfo if you are using a haste build.

Merits on RNG generally suck unless you have the above preferred setup.

If you arent in an arrowburn, you will probably have to suck it and take the same songs as the melee (march x2, or march+minuet, etc) instead of some optimal minuet x2. Unless of course you have a KC which benefits from such haste, blah blah blah.

If you are in an arrowburn, 9/10 times you are meritting with at least 2 other gimpy RNGs who wont put out. I'd only arrowburn with people I know are good RNGs on asura. Which is why I merit on SAM or BRD...

Also, meritting on RNG (at least for me, in bird camp) makes me an MP-sponge, even with /nin. So unless you have a decent healer+support (aka exterior healing mule), meritting on RNG, once more, tends to suck ass.

So until i get a KC, fuck meritting on RNG.

[Antithesis]

Doing a Haste setup on Ranger feels about the same thing as Corsair. Nothing really bad about it during merits. Not the best thing in the world and possibly not worth it but it's just something to entertain you. If you want capped buffer do Campaign. If you want merits level another job, do Campaign or make your own parties.

[Karamethien]

Meriting as RNG is simply not worth it.

I only bust out RNG for fun (and yes sometimes in a merit party).