[Corolie]

Wow. Whether this guy is serious or not, the stupidity rolling off his fingers is enormous.

yea just like your face

[Kleiner]

Whms niche is not in merit partys, just like Sch doesnt fit there much either.
Once you pass level 40 and Rdm gets refresh, Whm loses its place as a exp party healer too

Sorry, sunshine but with the advent of SCH sub and Afflatus.. it's far too easy to outdo a Red Mage. Nobles body+Sublimation is the same 3MP/tick RDMs have naturally without the 40 MP cost, Light Arts is a constant 10% MP reduction to every spell, Cure V > Cure IV, Penury makes that (rare) Cure V even easier to cast and with Afflatus up they have Stoneskin now to get their shadows back up, and Regen III+Cleric's briault is the most MP efficient healing in the game, plus in a merit party where everything has shadows.. i never need anything else. Hell, if the BRD has time to ballad me i don't i have to ever sit and rest, not to mention on Birds or Mamools I can Aspir back 60-100 MP every cast.. Red Mages in merit parties still work just fine, WHM is just better now.

[Sunshine]

yea just like your face

Im cureous just how much experience you actually have in FFXI, judging by your breakdown of what you think of jobs, im going to guess you dont have a lot.
http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=695443 if thats you then im guessing judging by what youve been buying/selling lately, your highest job cant be over 40.

You also put Red Mage lv25 as your job in your profile here which only further sugests a lack of experience with all the jobs. playing a job to level 20 or 25, or partying with them doesnt give you a good idea of where they fit in the game. Ninja is a mediocre tank untill 37 when they get utsusemi Ni, and the only get better as they level up higher and get access to evasion gear, and their better WS and eminity gear.

the childish insults and comebacks ive seen you use, sugest to me that you cant be over the age of 18, because its only teenages who find that kinda insult ammusing, to those of us who are adults, we can see past the egotistic fascade and see the idiocy and immaturity behind it.

[Sunshine]

Sorry, sunshine but with the advent of SCH sub and Afflatus.. it's far too easy to outdo a Red Mage. Nobles body+Sublimation is the same 3MP/tick RDMs have naturally without the 40 MP cost, Light Arts is a constant 10% MP reduction to every spell, Cure V > Cure IV, Penury makes that (rare) Cure V even easier to cast and with Afflatus up they have Stoneskin now to get their shadows back up, and Regen III+Cleric's briault is the most MP efficient healing in the game, plus in a merit party where everything has shadows.. i never need anything else. Hell, if the BRD has time to ballad me i don't i have to ever sit and rest, not to mention on Birds or Mamools I can Aspir back 60-100 MP every cast.. Red Mages in merit parties still work just fine, WHM is just better now.

Ill give you that, Whm has got some great buffs lately, but they needed an entire update adding Afflatus and the other one to be able to keep up. before that, Whm didnt hold a candle to rdm in the merit healing department.
Im not saying whm is bad, far from it, but for the longest time their place hasnt been in the merit party world.

Ill add though that not everyone in merit partys use shadows. when i go to merit on either of my jobs, its War/Sam or Drg/Sam almost exclusivly, Seigan+Third Eye is more then enough to keep me going whail using the store tp and meditate of /sam, and normally i can full time hasso and still not get hit much.

Rdm still has Convert over whm though, which i think is why they are still the prefered healer.. if the whm goes down too far in MP then thigns are going south, but the rdm can clutch and convert to keep going and keep chains going.
apples to oranges really as far as which is better in merit situations, Whm has got some good buffs to help them back into merits now.

[Corolie]

Im cureous just how much experience you actually have in FFXI, judging by your breakdown of what you think of jobs, im going to guess you dont have a lot.
http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=695443 if thats you then im guessing judging by what youve been buying/selling lately, your highest job cant be over 40.

You also put Red Mage lv25 as your job in your profile here which only further sugests a lack of experience with all the jobs. playing a job to level 20 or 25, or partying with them doesnt give you a good idea of where they fit in the game. Ninja is a mediocre tank untill 37 when they get utsusemi Ni, and the only get better as they level up higher and get access to evasion gear, and their better WS and eminity gear.

the childish insults and comebacks ive seen you use, sugest to me that you cant be over the age of 18, because its only teenages who find that kinda insult ammusing, to those of us who are adults, we can see past the egotistic fascade and see the idiocy and immaturity behind it.

rofl you don't even know me for your info tho I had a Rdm 75 , Smn 70 , Drk 42 , Blu 38 before quiting this game a year ago since I got bored with it ,and moved on to AOC ,but things didn't feel the same sooo I pretty much came back having to start the hell over. Wish I'd never quit after 3yrs of playing this but ooh well the past is in the past...... besides I'm over 19 if u wanna know just get sick of all the haters running around the forums ,but I'm sorry If I do act lil mean at times.

[Sunshine]

rofl you don't even know me for your info tho I had a Rdm 75 , Smn 70 , Drk 42 , Blu 38 before quiting this game a year ago since I got bored with it ,and moved on to AOC ,but things didn't feel the same sooo I pretty much came back having to start the hell over. Wish I'd never quit after 3yrs of playing this but ooh well the past is in the past...... besides I'm over 19 if u wanna know just get sick of all the haters running around the forums ,but I'm sorry If I do act lil mean at times.

Theres a differance between being mean, and being childish using lame insults.
But seeing what you say your main jobs were only further shows me that your of the opinion that what jobs you like are best and the rest suck.

Lemme look back to a quick quote,

pssh damn Rdm haterz lol who needs em We'd eat a sch for lunch in the pvp battlefield anyways

Rdm and Sch on a pvp battlefield, is not going to come down to which job is better, i know plenty of Rdms that suck at their job.
one that was quite infamous on Cerberus was LordAndrew, Rdm/Nin 24/7, refused to heal in exp partys, didnt use refresh on anyone but himself, wouldnt even use nukes or enfeables. just En-spell and melee away using 2 swords, frequenly using WS in the middle of other people trying to SC, and then refresh himself when he wasnt even using MP to begin with.

I know some good rdms and some great rdms, ive seen rdms that can solo a lot of NMs that other jobs couldnt.
But ive seen Schs that can out heal a Whm (before this past update that gave whm a much needed boost), ive seen Schs that have out nuked Blms, and ive seen Schs that can out enfeable a rdm (that case was a rdm that sucked and the sch was the one doing the enfeabling)

the point being, PvP is not a test of what jobs are good, PvP is a test of player skill and the ability to think ahead.
if i have a sleep spell and i see a smn casting an avatar im gonna wait a few seconds to sleep the avatar, be it in PvP or in dynamis.

[SenseiShotokan]

So the ability to go from a healer on par with Whm, to a nuker on Par with Blm, at a moments notice, isnt versatile? Sure their nukes arnt going to be doing as much as a blm, but they sure as hell do more then a Rdms.

1.capable of or adapted for turning easily from one to another of various tasks, fields of endeavor, etc.: a versatile writer.

Ok, well I think I found out what you and most people define as versatility. The problem is your definition is different from the one you found in the dictionnary. Correct me I'm wrong, but you seems to think that beeing versatile is beeing able to do some task better than someone else?.
The most important aspect in "versatility" is beeing able to do "multiple task at once, with relative ease". From dictionnary: It's about having a wide variety of skills. Capable of doing many things competently. I don't know, but that is RDM right there.

SCH nuke better yes, he heal better and buff better. That does not make him more versatile. RDM switch from light to dark art in a blink of an eye. Not only that he can "turn easily from one to another tasks"(Your own definition is saying it), but he can keep it up longer than SCH.(refresh, convert, and composure, etc). When as a rdm, you can enfeeb, nuke, heal and buff(that means all the SCH task), and even switch to be a main tank, and doing all those task pretty easily, and you come telling me that SCH is more versatile? We're probably not playing the same game.
Again, you seems to think that beeing versatile, is beeing able to do one task better than someone else. That is not versatility. Read again the definition you posted. If you tell me that sch is more effective when they heal or nuke and buff, I agree.

[Prothescar]

Funnest.

[Crispleaf]

WHATTTTTTTT LOL you the heck are you smoking if we didn't have white mage's then all the parties would get owned really quick....... and summoners is the funnest job you can ever play when it comes to real pet classes unlike worthless pups as long as your not main healing or tanking. Smns do even more dmg then most good drks or sams could even dream about doing rofl

Well, let me make the distinction here...

I'm not saying white mage was not a useful job.

But it is one of the jobs that people try to eliminate the most, I'd say across the spectrum. Whether it's getting red mages to heal, or introducing new jobs that heal, or configuring merit parties that require minimalist healing, or using low-man groups at events that eliminate any need for a white mage...

It's a job that is, for one reason or another, thoroughly resented... It's a job you're resigned to take with you if all else fails, as though you're accepting the less-than-elite prize. It's like an accomplishment to tell your white mage we don't need you anymore, or to claim your alternative healing job outshines white mage. It really, really sucks to be the white mage.

[firefeng]

As for Smn doing more damage then Drk, youve never seen a KClub Drk zerg have you? Ide like to see how a Smn can push out 20k+ damage in less then a minute.

A DRK can use a scythe or g.sword to outdamage a SMN. The only reason to use a SMN is hate-free damage at range when you don't want to feed an HNM TP. Let just about any good melee TP on an HNM and there's a good bet they'll outdamage SMN. SMN has been in need of fixes for years.

[Xani]

The only reason to use a SMN is hate-free damage at range when you don't want to feed an HNM TP. Let just about any good melee TP on an HNM.

And with Auspice (whm spell, for the idiots in here) feeding TP isn't even that much of a problem.

[firefeng]

And with Auspice (whm spell, for the idiots in here) feeding TP isn't even that much of a problem.

10% subtle blow isn't potent enough to matter. 50% subtle blow, and then I'd consider it.

[Hojoshi]

3. Gimped Ranger- Nothing much I can say with this one other then by the fact they're useless as heck when it comes to parties and endgame rofl.

1.Ummm...ok. What RNGs have you been partying with? I can easily out dmg any other melee DD in a party, and out of SAM, DRG, MNK, DRK, BLU...DRK is the only one who would give me or any good RNG competition when it comes to damage in a party. A good PLD to me? Is one who can hold hate from my regular ranged attacks. A great PLD to me?! Is one who doesn't allow the mob to come running towards me after a slugshot with the mob at less then half health. I dont mean to brag but...

THF already rules when it comes to pulling mobs

Yea...because there's soooo much to it. I make a THF pull in a party because a extra ranged attack to a mob before anyone else hits it doesn't help a RNGs already bad hate situation.

[Crispleaf]

A good PLD to me? Is one who can hold hate from my regular ranged attacks. A great PLD to me?! Is one who doesn't allow the mob to come running towards me after a slugshot with the mob at less then half health. I dont mean to brag but...

You may not realize it, but you've just made the argument for Rangers being useless...

[Hojoshi]

You may not realize it, but you've just made the argument for Rangers being useless...

...Um I guess I see it but, I dont see how doing what i'm supposed to be doing and the PLD not...makes the Ranger useless.

[Sunshine]

It doesnt, by default, the problem lies in the perception of whats hapening. When your pulling hate a lot, people a lot of times wont see it as the tank not being able to hold hate, cause likelly the tahnk is holding hate from everyone but you, but seeing it as you not being able to manage your hate properly.

[Takune]

Ok, well I think I found out what you and most people define as versatility. The problem is your definition is different from the one you found in the dictionnary. Correct me I'm wrong, but you seems to think that beeing versatile is beeing able to do some task better than someone else?.
The most important aspect in "versatility" is beeing able to do "multiple task at once, with relative ease". From dictionnary: It's about having a wide variety of skills. Capable of doing many things competently. I don't know, but that is RDM right there.

SCH nuke better yes, he heal better and buff better. That does not make him more versatile. RDM switch from light to dark art in a blink of an eye. Not only that he can "turn easily from one to another tasks"(Your own definition is saying it), but he can keep it up longer than SCH.(refresh, convert, and composure, etc). When as a rdm, you can enfeeb, nuke, heal and buff(that means all the SCH task), and even switch to be a main tank, and doing all those task pretty easily, and you come telling me that SCH is more versatile? We're probably not playing the same game.
Again, you seems to think that beeing versatile, is beeing able to do one task better than someone else. That is not versatility. Read again the definition you posted. If you tell me that sch is more effective when they heal or nuke and buff, I agree.

I lol'd.

[Corrderio]

Going to ignore the OP's jobs since that's full of BS. I'll meet them halfway on PUP since their gear is lulzworthy til the higher levels compared to other DDs.

Also, who the hell said every XI job will be in XIV?

Anyway... Here's my list:

Paladins/Warriors: In terms of blood tanking (which these 2 jobs should be good at, PLD obviously being better) they suck at it because the VIT curve is god awful. It's been proven the full darksteel harness set reduces more damage than full Koenig. So I'm hoping DEF/VIT doesn't suck as much and they bring back bloodtanking in XIV.

Summoner: Lets face it, if SMN couldn't sub WHM they'd even be more worthless than they are now. OMG I can summon a demigod that does crap damage! I'm so cool!!!!!

Puppetmaster: Like I said awhile back, their gear selection is what kills them off in terms of populatiry. At least let them wear gis or harder armor like a hanress set or some crap. Or make some robe gear that actually has melee stats.

Blue Mage: Just a minor complaint.... learning a monsther ability should be 100% like in pervious FFs

[Noticiero]

ill just pretend to ignore the OP calling rng or sch failed jobs makes baby jesus cry, rng its ridiculiously more powerful now than original 2004 rngs in my opinion, not to mention the huge versatility of scholars with all those cheap ass stratagems

the only job that seems to be gimpy is ninja, ninja they are a loljob now and no one really uses them these days, pld/nin onry babe
they need a huge buff, did anyone noticed that war needs a buff too?

[Prothescar]

I guess you've never heard of NIN/DRK. Being a PLD, my best co-tanks are usually NINs.