[Tainted]

Those cheap tactics are often easily overcame, so I don't see the issue especially in FFXI where you can overcome anything by planning in advance.

[Zealott]

In the case of magic, your "counters" are percentages, so basicly you're hoping you get lucky. The mage in turn has the ability to counter your counter by simply adding magic skill and so on. After that, well you played your ace and all you can hope on is luck. If you can show a solid way to completely resist debuffs forever, then you got a case, but in ffxi that does not happen. Disables make or break fights, anyone can tell you that.

[Tainted]

There is no 100% complete resist, but it's enough to have buff wears in a few seconds and then use other tools to disable/punish them. Or you can simply zerg them which always trumps magic in terms of no prebuffs.

[Pobyedobyedo]

Dont remove blu V. There are no prebuffs so its just as fair as any job.

DRK/RDM isn't broken in this tourney. There are no prebuffs and the drk/sams you'll have to get through first has 2 stuns with which to stop your sleep.
A drk/rdm (not prebuffed) will have to fight make it past the first few fights.

The PLD who manages to beat all other PLDs will probably be in good position for the win as /rdm is already the general sub will be good throughout the tourney.

(You may only have 1 sub throughout the tourney)

[Angel of Enders]

It's like going to an SF2 tournament and them banning Ken and Ryu from play because some scrubs can't figure out how to avoid hadouken spam or getting shoryuken'd when they jump in range.

As a SF fan I think that's a bad analogy. ;p

A better one would be getting caught in an infinite where unless you know enough about the meta-game to avoid it, there's very little you can do to get out of it once you're caught in it. Then in the case where people pick the same char (job) it'll be who can get the infinite off first (like two RDMs trying to get off the first silence which means the first one pretty much wins unless they fuck up.)

I agree that the individual's skill is gonna determine the fight regardless although I kinda see where the OP's coming from. It's like people trying to ban Metaknight in SSB:Brawl. Not everyone's gonna like it but when everyone gravitates towards him as a counter-pick when they lose a round, just to win, under pro mentality it's legit but there's something fundamentally wrong when everyone's falling back on something that takes a little less effort just to win and the people who only go that route instead of exploring their options honestly only hurt themselves in the end when they come across something unexpected.

[Cloudxx]

Dont remove blu V. There are no prebuffs so its just as fair as any job.

DRK/RDM isn't broken in this tourney. There are no prebuffs and the drk/sams you'll have to get through first has 2 stuns with which to stop your sleep.
A drk/rdm (not prebuffed) will have to fight make it past the first few fights.

The PLD who manages to beat all other PLDs will probably be in good position for the win as /rdm is already the general sub will be good throughout the tourney.

(You may only have 1 sub throughout the tourney)

I already said DRK/RDM and PLD/RDM can be used. The other jobs, no one wants 'em. Thats including RDM BLM SCH & BLU. I sound like a broken record and people joining DO NOT WANT THEM, unless you just want a 10 man tournament. I was just spit ballin last time about that pussy tactic thing. If more people wanted them then 'ya, I'd allow it. The only two people complaining and theyre both from the forums. But like I said earlier Poby man, I wanted BLU because I dont think they are bad. The rules are final. Im thinking of how to just do matchups now. But I cant do that until I get everyone is ready. Some people are still undecided on what job they wanna go as. Like I said, this is for people to have fun and its just a god damn game. I cant believe we're having a 4 page arguement on this.

[cul]

Those cheap tactics are often easily overcame, so I don't see the issue especially in FFXI where you can overcome anything by planning in advance.

Aww, why not letting people have fun the way they want? It's clear that what he tried to do, is to make the majority of his participant happy. The fact that in diorama you can set up the rules, is a sign that someone will be disadvantaged already...
ermmm and you have too much confidence in yourself, so much that it looks more like you underestimate your opponents. I don't think you have any success in ballista with that attitude. You are probably one of those people having a hard time to admit when they lose a fight, with your attitude. You are not that good!

[Zhouer]

3!

[Tainted]

Aww, why not letting people have fun the way they want? It's clear that what he tried to do, is to make the majority of his participant happy. The fact that in diorama you can set up the rules, is a sign that someone will be disadvantaged already...
ermmm and you have too much confidence in yourself, so much that it looks more like you underestimate your opponents. I don't think you have any success in ballista with that attitude. You are probably one of those people having a hard time to admit when they lose a fight, with your attitude. You are not that good!

I can count the people who can fairly beat me on one hand. Most people I can beat in endurance runs. My confidence is rooted through simply owning 99.9% of people.

There's a reason I'm willing to fight anyone for 5~10m bets.

[SenseiShotokan]

I can count the people who can fairly beat me on one hand. Most people I can beat in endurance runs. My confidence is rooted through simply owning 99.9% of people.

There's a reason I'm willing to fight anyone for 5~10m bets.

omg O-O you again lol. Ok so please, you show us a video killing good Red Mages 95% of the times with your DRG? Please I would like to see this. I read your other post, it seems that you whine about this tournament being unfair for some people, but you presented one of your strategy that consist of zerging a non-buffed mage.... with the no-buff rule. How fair is it? Jobs like blm whm smn and sch are probably not focusing on their gears to resist DD dmgs, but their buffs, so it's almost like asking them to start the fight naked. When people ask me this on RDM, I ask them to take off all their gears before the fight. They will get some penalty without being able to act, and the mages can toss some buffs. That is fair.
One more thing, I would like to know how your "zerg strategy" will work, when you fight with RDM/PLD with a no-buff rule. Usually, experienced RDM will Sentinel just at the start, and buff in your face... or sentinel and shield bash when they approch and buff.
Not going to argue with you thought, I know how serious you take offenses, when someone comments you. I just want you to proove all the things you keep posting on player vs player forums. Show us those videos where you beat good rdm's 95% of the times. I really want to see that. And I hope those fight are actually skills vs skills(Your job skills vs the rdm skills, no other things like items and etc).

[Tainted]

When a RDM manages buffs (sentinel/stoneskin) I sleep them and smack them until stoneskin wears.

Not very hard at all.

But that works fine for DRG, MNK, etc.

I could simply go SAM, Jump on first cast, med, gekko. Fight over.

But prebuffs =/= not wearing gear. If I have enough sense to bring gear specifically for owning RDM, BLM, SCH, etc. then why shouldn't they have the sense to bring gear to avoid being killed in 10 seconds?

[Hiswhitewings]

Annnnnd this is why everyone thinks Ballista is full of e-peen swingin jr high school mentality children.

Let's try to keep this constructive so we don't scare possible competitors away. Swing your e-peen at each other through PM's or wait till the tournament to give them a bloody nose with it.

[Jormungand]

Pussy Tactics? Reminds me of the hate mail I got from beating people online as Sagat while eating a sandwich. Just because the average Joe can't figure out how to bypass simple tactics such as Sleep > Nuke, or Tiger Shot spam, doesn't mean it's unfair, or should be done away with. It tends to favor the people who are adept at complaining and bitching.

Pre-Buffs are idiotic, period. As soon as you start, I should be able to as well. It's a simple idea. One that only mages don't seem to understand.

Still, wish you luck and be a bit more decisive in your choices.

[Aeonknight]

First off, when did I restrict any gear? Second im most likely not in the tournament since I have to host it. Third youre not even from Fenrir or joining the tournament. I only not allowing BLM RDM SCH and BLU because I already asked majority of the people who are actually in it and they do not want those jobs. Im trying to make something fun happen here but there is always some yahoo bitching and complaining lol. Holy shit lol

When you post your FENRIR ONRY LAWLZ tourny rules on a public forum, expect to get some criticism with your unfinalized handicaps. The logic behind you restricting 1/5th of the jobs in the game simply cause some SAM hasn't figured out game dynamics yet, doesn't make for much of a tournament.

Trying to justify restricting 20% of the jobs in the game is not going to work. A much easier (and cop-out) answer would be "it's my cake and i'll eat it the way I want."

I'm sure there are some melee that are smart enough to know how to work with what they're given on fenrir. And guess what? Those are the ones that will make it to the higher tiers (if not win it all.) That's what a tournament is about.

[Cloudxx]

When you post your FENRIR ONRY LAWLZ tourny rules on a public forum, expect to get some criticism with your unfinalized handicaps. The logic behind you restricting 1/5th of the jobs in the game simply cause some SAM hasn't figured out game dynamics yet, doesn't make for much of a tournament.

Trying to justify restricting 20% of the jobs in the game is not going to work. A much easier (and cop-out) answer would be "it's my cake and i'll eat it the way I want."

I'm sure there are some melee that are smart enough to know how to work with what they're given on fenrir. And guess what? Those are the ones that will make it to the higher tiers (if not win it all.) That's what a tournament is about.

Like I said before, I was hosting the tournament and making decisions based on what majority people want. And take a wild guess on the two people who are complaining? You and Jammeh lol. So thats like 25+ people vs 2. And one of those two is your stupid ass .Before I even posted this, I asked the ballista people if they were interested in a tournament and most of them complained about mages joining. I got a "No" or a "Maybe" from people. When I said no mages were going, I got alot of people saying "Yes". Let me remind you this is just something for fun, no one is getting a trophy or a medal for this lol. I dont really care what you and other yahoos think how serious a tournament should be. This isnt the fucking NBA finals or the Olympics. Its a god damn game just to throw some spark in ballista. Youre taking this just too seriously. You also might wanna rest your eyes abit you forum troll because youre miss quoting or throwing words in my mouth like me suspending gear. And for that pussy tactic thing, I said I was just spit ballin about that since the arguement went over 4 pages. Quit wasting your times on topics that have nothing to do with you or your server. No one really gives a shit about your input, kay asshole?

[Zealott]

When a RDM manages buffs (sentinel/stoneskin) I sleep them and smack them until stoneskin wears.

Not very hard at all.

But that works fine for DRG, MNK, etc.

I could simply go SAM, Jump on first cast, med, gekko. Fight over.

But prebuffs =/= not wearing gear. If I have enough sense to bring gear specifically for owning RDM, BLM, SCH, etc. then why shouldn't they have the sense to bring gear to avoid being killed in 10 seconds?

You must fight some really shitty rdms, any strat you can possibly come up with to beat rdm, there is an easy to perform counter to it. Plenty of resist gear for mages out there to stop all melee disables such as silence and sleep. Plenty of fast cast gear to get key debuffs off on you before you can hit him. Paladin sub to stop a zerg, fighting rdms who have no idea what they are doing does not count.

[Angel of Enders]

[Zealott]

MJ has not even been dead for 24 hours yet and we're allready throwing in MJ forum pictures.

[Aeonknight]

Like I said before, I was hosting the tournament and making decisions based on what majority people want. And take a wild guess on the two people who are complaining? You and Jammeh lol. So thats like 25+ people vs 2. And one of those two is your stupid ass .Before I even posted this, I asked the ballista people if they were interested in a tournament and most of them complained about mages joining. I got a "No" or a "Maybe" from people. When I said no mages were going, I got alot of people saying "Yes". Let me remind you this is just something for fun, no one is getting a trophy or a medal for this lol. I dont really care what you and other yahoos think how serious a tournament should be. This isnt the fucking NBA finals or the Olympics. Its a god damn game just to throw some spark in ballista. Youre taking this just too seriously. You also might wanna rest your eyes abit you forum troll because youre miss quoting or throwing words in my mouth like me suspending gear. And for that pussy tactic thing, I said I was just spit ballin about that since the arguement went over 4 pages. Quit wasting your times on topics that have nothing to do with you or your server. No one really gives a shit about your input, kay asshole?

Troll? That'd be you sir.

Also lrn2reed. Both me and jam have been stating reasons as to why restricting mage jobs, which are a hell of a lot easier to kill w/o prebuffs than they normally are, is a rather lame idea. Spark into ballista? You're purposelly cutting out what half of ballista is: dealing with mages. If you or your tourny participants can't handle a wee little BLM, then that's too damn bad. You gonna restrict WHM/NIN too? Maybe any job that has natural MP?

You're the one taking this shit too seriously mr. no enter key
I'm just posting legitimate criticism to your half assed rules. Criticism that you've yet to give a rebuttal to. Instead you pull the "UR NOT HERE" card. If this topic concerns only fenrir server participants, then the Fenrir server forums are that way. But like I said earlier, go ahead and restrict jobs. It only shows your lack of skill and adaptability.

I dont really care what you and other yahoos think how serious a tournament should be

Hmm is that why you added BLU to the list, per my suggestion? Or did your participants /wrist @ the thought of the ensuing rape?

If it's gonna be a casual tourny like you say it is, then why have any rules at all dipshit? If it's casual as you claim it to be, then you should have no problems fighting (and maybe even losing ) to said RDM or SCH. No one's life is at stake right?

Me personally, I like fighting mages when they're at their best. That includes prebuffs. Whether win or lose, you always take something away from the fight. But if you don't fight a challenging opponent, what do you take from it? nothing. So have fun firin' yer sidewindahs and prancing around with /DNC. I'll be on my server, getting better.

also: yahoos.

[ShugotenshiOfOdin]

LOL