[shigo]

I seen better data on weapons, they where more viewed of reducing damage as a verent of xxx/256 witch = ~ 12% 1/8 = 12.5% so you are prob right on that still odd though since that is the only way i can think of to get damage reduced like that, you get reduced by 1/8 NOT doing 1/8 damage

regardless of the small error i am VERY interested on seeing if that applayes to fire spells

btw i use "immunity" word in the same matter, it refers to of getting cap resist damage ( 1/8 i think) as your max and only damage, like how thunder elementals are immune to thunder and water. or how primes are immune to everything but what they are "weak" too

with that said:



I would classify them as being immune to fire, can you burn them? if you can land an ES burn on them then i would not use this word for them

mobs that heal from an element also has immunity, i never seen choke land on a puk for example.

the reason this word is used even though you can deal some damage is this, you get the cap resist damage as your damage and they will never get hit by the enfeebling magic that has that same element.

the only exception i can think of that this rule will not apply too ( and it is a stretch because they do not get the cap resist in nuke damage and enfeeebling immunity: i need both to call it immune) is prime titan and prime levi, the reason is you can not land silence or stun even though they are weak to the elements, they are still immune to the enfeebling.

evilpaul i did not steal anything, he made it for me.

Oh now I see your understanding of the word immune. I saw it in the literal sense: shielded, untouchable, invulnerable, undamaged, unharmed, protected etc. but I have to remember that in Vana'diel 0 damage doesn't exist so I comprehend now and agree.

As for the...

"the only exception i can think of that this rule will not apply too ( and it is a stretch because they do not get the cap resist in nuke damage and enfeeebling immunity: i need both to call it immune) is prime titan and prime levi, the reason is you can not land silence or stun even though they are weak to the elements, they are still immune to the enfeebling."

I can explain that. SE gave the avatars (Ifrit, Leviathan, Ramuh, Titan, Garuda, Shiva) certain NM properties (resist/immune to: stun, sleep, silence, bind, gravity etc) b/c they're NMs and more importantly (I think) b/c those spells would make the fight easier. They are more lenient with bind & gravity cause silence would make break Trial by Earth and as would stun with Trial by Water. Another example would be with Fenrir. According to the other Avatars he shouldn't be stun'able but he is. I'm not sure if that's b/c SE saw Fenrir as being harder and allowed this or b/c they over saw it idk... but it's more of a game developer thing.

Imagine if every magic casting NM was silence'able... that would be very very lol, so they have to impose these set of rules.

[shigo]

*EDIT just remembered

lol I forgot about Spectral Barrier. That's the SE definition of immunity, so Rambus is right.

[rambus]

well the thing is narsha NM, pots, eyes have a move to make them immune to all types of magic.

when cast anything with this move up you get XXXX resists the spell.

one reason I hate how people use the word "resistant mobs" to refer to a greater degree of getting partial damage.

[rambus]

Anyone want to take a stab at listing NMs too?

omgea ( homan NM):
immune to dark

Kirin:
50% ice.

thats all i can recall, experience since coming back.

[Deo2]

I know I said 'spherical' last year, but my first thought was 'sphincter'...

[Sorai]

No idea what you said in the post but I think I got the jist of it....
Every mob resists some element.
Puppetmasters pet is kinda retarded.....it looks at the mob's weakness, and casts the highest tier which won't resist the mob...if puppets don't have blizz IV, the pet will cast thunder 3 on a pudding....which sux
The only difference between blm and a blm puppet is that the puppet can stack magic acc on the pet(to the point the pet is broken, and rarely resists big NMs) while keeping nuking power.
Blm can also stack magic acc/magic skill, but they give up nuking power.....making puppets pet stronger than blm on some NMs, especially NMs that need kiting, such as Kirin.
Not sure what you're asking really, but common sense is not to use blizz IV on ghosts....you can tell by the magic they predominantly cast...blizzga 3, blizz 4, ice spikes, etc...
I never use puppet blm in limbus personally because 1: it's slow 2: If I go pup I prob will use valoredge, or rng pet, both easilly out DD blm pet. or 3: go blm if LS rlly needs a blm

[rambus]

Sorai, on 16 April 2010 - 07:53 PM, said:

No idea what you said in the post but I think I got the jist of it....
Every mob resists some element.
Puppetmasters pet is kinda retarded.....it looks at the mob's weakness, and casts the highest tier which won't resist the mob...if puppets don't have blizz IV, the pet will cast thunder 3 on a pudding....which sux
The only difference between blm and a blm puppet is that the puppet can stack magic acc on the pet(to the point the pet is broken, and rarely resists big NMs) while keeping nuking power.
Blm can also stack magic acc/magic skill, but they give up nuking power.....making puppets pet stronger than blm on some NMs, especially NMs that need kiting, such as Kirin.
Not sure what you're asking really, but common sense is not to use blizz IV on ghosts....you can tell by the magic they predominantly cast...blizzga 3, blizz 4, ice spikes, etc...
I never use puppet blm in limbus personally because 1: it's slow 2: If I go pup I prob will use valoredge, or rng pet, both easilly out DD blm pet. or 3: go blm if LS rlly needs a blm

difine "resist", people use that to mean too many things.

the act of randomly taking less damage then it should is different from this list. this list shown here is absule elemental defenses, I can go in west sera , ES water IV on a pug, then cast water on a crab, the pug takes 50% less damage.

the point of adding others is for the act of completeness and to also tell people casting drain and apsier will not do much for you on omega. ( why i added it)

I made this post here because i thought the defences would be common knowalge by now but i made a pup thread because this guy wanted me to "prove it" and to show it is the pup pet screwing up not my knowledge.

This post has been edited by rambus: 16 April 2010 - 09:58 PM

[Sorai]

Well....it's hard to define resistance, because there have been times where my friend casts flood II, or water IV on a pudding, and lands 1.1k, which is equivalent to a stone IV, if not better.
Resistance by my definition is a mob having a chance to cut down dmg based on the elemental affinity the mob belongs to.
But like you said, as level increases elemental resistance begins to matter less and less.
But I'm sure nobody will cast Stone IV on kirin....because that's his element
Here's another example of resistance by level, I see this in every LS lol....
Every blm, being the genius that they are, cast aero IV, and still resist and say "omg resist even though I stacked 107 matt". Well, in this case resistance is based on level, where a mobs level is higher than yours, and your skill isn't enough to land the 1ks you wanna see, which is why blms stack macc, and skill, while pups stack magic acc.
and the pup AI is stupid , not you, it's not in your control to decide what your pet casts, so it obviously can't be your fault, tell the idiot in your LS to level pup if he doesn't understand.

[rambus]

Sorai, on 17 April 2010 - 02:05 PM, said:

Well....it's hard to define resistance, because there have been times where my friend casts flood II, or water IV on a pudding, and lands 1.1k, which is equivalent to a stone IV, if not better.
Resistance by my definition is a mob having a chance to cut down dmg based on the elemental affinity the mob belongs to.
But like you said, as level increases elemental resistance begins to matter less and less.
But I'm sure nobody will cast Stone IV on kirin....because that's his element
Here's another example of resistance by level, I see this in every LS lol....
Every blm, being the genius that they are, cast aero IV, and still resist and say "omg resist even though I stacked 107 matt". Well, in this case resistance is based on level, where a mobs level is higher than yours, and your skill isn't enough to land the 1ks you wanna see, which is why blms stack macc, and skill, while pups stack magic acc.
and the pup AI is stupid , not you, it's not in your control to decide what your pet casts, so it obviously can't be your fault, tell the idiot in your LS to level pup if he doesn't understand.

mobs always have a chance to cut down your max damage, regardless if it is "weak" to w/e. that is why i said are you talking about the random chance of doing less then your max damage. I do not have flood II or use water IV on puddings, I have no reason too so i am not sure what you are trying to get at. they are just a thunder and ice game, rather neutral or "weak" to it they can "resist" and do less then your max damage.

you can es a stone spell on kirin, im sure it is immune to it, it is funny though i do not think it is immune to thunder otherwise you be never able to stun it. if you want you can test to see if your max damage is 1/4 or 1/8 or something, if it is 1/8 all the time it would be strange and throw off my statement. excluding kirin, all the mobs i seen that has an imunity always take 1/8 of your damage and always resist affiliated enfeebling magic.

like i said , this list is talking about absolute defenses, there is no chance in the world you will get a full damage bilz IV on a ghost, you HAVE to use thunder and fire. one of the few times fire IV outdoes blizIV no matter the day and weather ;p

he had pup at 75 (note im talking about a past ls that broke in asura where i moved back too is great). he was going on something about scanner and it never nukes with spells on a mob that it is strong too or something. I said several time I do not know about pup it is not unlocked. All i did was tell some other guy that was on pup if he could make it not bliz IV because you can never do max damage to it. idk about pup but i thought there was a wayv to gear down it so it would fire IV and not bliz is why i said something to begin with. i know it is stupid why i do not want to even level it ( my only locked job/ only non 75 job)

This post has been edited by rambus: 19 April 2010 - 01:16 PM

[Sorai]

ohhh I didn't understand the question lmao, sorry.
Nah, once pup caps magic for pet their stuck with blizz IV. The pets AI is beyond stupid, and I personally don't use blm pet unless I desperately need to....

[shigo]

Hey I remember this thread, lol still talking about PUP I see... goodtimes. btw Rambo I was on MSN the other day but you weren't on... oh wells >_>

On a serious note

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Kirin:
50% ice.

Really? Doesn't really fit. Sure you didn't do something wrong? That's quite odd. Weird of SE to do that but the real question is what the hell were you casting ICE on Kirin anyway? Accident? Your LS must've been like, "What's this guy doing? Amateur night @ Ru'Avitau" lol

[rambus]

shigo, on 25 April 2010 - 12:13 AM, said:

Hey I remember this thread, lol still talking about PUP I see... goodtimes. btw Rambo I was on MSN the other day but you weren't on... oh wells >_>

On a serious note



Really? Doesn't really fit. Sure you didn't do something wrong? That's quite odd. Weird of SE to do that but the real question is what the hell were you casting ICE on Kirin anyway? Accident? Your LS must've been like, "What's this guy doing? Amateur night @ Ru'Avitau" lol

test, for complete knowledge, seen some others do it.

what mistake are you talking about? you double it and it edges out over tornado II like it should because of the INT bost.

i did it my self too it was like 670 freeze II or w/e when i can do like 1200 or w/e un buffed.

wanan see my some of the pics i got with cor and windday procs? mahahahawahahaawa

too bad i do not get to fight it more, i can use my alt since he has all AM II, makes things easy then asumming 149 int and back mathing. plus the am II ES damage makes it more provable to people that dont trust formula

This post has been edited by rambus: 25 April 2010 - 01:07 AM