[synthetic]

Just got Ancient Torque from my ls. I'm wondering how useful for thf it'd be considering I have love torque. Def using it on pretty much all my other dd's though

Anyone have or use this over Love?

[Daggermaster]

i'd use it over love for tp lol, hands down best neck item in the game for TP.

[synthetic]

thats what i'm thinking but i hate giving up the skill QQ

ironically a year ago to the date ls gave me love torque

[Daggermaster]

Used ffxigear.com to make 2 setups for what i use. one has a.torque the other does not
http://ffxigear.com/?ref=14440
^this is A.torque

http://ffxigear.com/?ref=14441
^this is love torque, obviously, theres only a 2 acc difference...but still 2 acc is nice..right?

now...lets look at this setup..(same as above) compared to a pimped thf(mandau/x's/etc)
http://ffxigear.com/?ref=14441

http://ffxigear.com/?ref=14442

theres only a 2-3 acc difference, which is kinds annoying imho

[synthetic]

well parsed xp pt the other night. with 1 madrigal and using rap harness instead of homam and i dun have cuch mantle. i was at 92% acc popping meat. not capped but pretty good considering.

for double mad pts i usually toss on homam body

[nefarious.lover]

Double .... madrigal?



>.>



Just from a bard standpoint if anyone asked for that I'd laugh in their face and do double march.


If they persisted I'd boot them, have them booted, or leave.

[synthetic]

meant double min

[Kaparu]

Use Crab Sushi, and drop the Madrigal.

[Oblit]

@92% hit rate, I would use love torque only if the 1 extra dex makes my total dex even.

Under 90% I would use Ancient torque.

@94% I would use Love.

[synthetic]

yeah it'll make me even

edit - i lied i can't add, even with love, odd with ancient

[Oblit]

In your case IMO it's best to use Love torque. 92% hit rate is what I aim for at bird camp because accuracy will be capped on lvl 81 birds anyways. So half the time you have capped accuracy at 92% hit rate.


But more acc is always welcome as long as you are not sacrificing a lot of good offensive stats for it. i.e haste/attack etc.

And when you get a bard with madrigal merits it will push you to 94-95% hit rate.

[Kaparu]

Madrigal is a wasted song if you have even one two-handed DD in your party, which is the case more often than not. Use Crab Sushi.

[synthetic]

shut up with your crab sushi. i said when i double min pt i toss on my homam body... meat onry

[Yhelothur]

Madrigal is a wasted song if you have even one two-handed DD in your party, which is the case more often than not. Use Crab Sushi.

Unless that DD is a SAM using Polearm. Come on Kap, you know better.

[Havok]

I think most people know the only practical instance of madrigal being sung in merit parties is for lurker mamools. Synth just had a tragic typo.

Also, I've been hearing a lot of people are popping crab sushi nowadays. I think Shamaya mentioned it once or twice. Is it the general consensus that cheap acc food > cheap meat food on birds? I don't have a lot acc problems personally, and I'm pretty resistant to giving up attack pretty much always.

[Konda]

I don't have a lot acc problems personally, and I'm pretty resistant to giving up attack pretty much always.

try using a parser.

oh and @Mr. 92%Guy... 92% Acc is not capped.

this is my TP gear: which I consider pretty much complete....http://ffxigear.com/?ref=14491

Note the Acc is 368. With 8 dagger merits, that goes up to 384~.

The cap for colibri is 407.


Swapping food from meat to crab sushi, and swapping to rap harness results in 398 Acc, which is 414~ with 8 dagger merits.

Crab sushi also helps you land more hits on DE/Evis because of them being multihit and the fact that THFs dont really stack that much Acc for them.

TLDR: THF dont have enough Acc to support a full haste build with meat at colibri.

[Cream Soda]

Unless that DD is a SAM using Polearm. Come on Kap, you know better.

lolwut? I have 93% hitrate on average on my polearm sam w/ no acc food/buffs (and btw, that tomoe sam who doesn't have the acc should be using crab sushi as well)

[Cream Soda]

shut up with your crab sushi. i said when i double min pt i toss on my homam body... meat onry

btw, would you mind posting ur gear for meat build?

[BuGGaTon]

A Homam vs Raparee + Madrigal vs 2nd March arguement? Who's for some offtopic numbers?

Homam = 72.5% >> 80% accuracy and +1% 3A (assuming full merits is 1.8% DPS boost. Kinda). So 1.124 is the base damage with homam (1)
Rap = 72.5% acc with a +4% haste. 1.074 is the base damage with rap. (2)

A fully meritted and good geared madrigal gets up to +39 accuracy. Let's say, for example, that you drop this for the 9% haste of a 2nd march. We're losing 19.5% accuracy (aparently) and gaining 9% haste.

You gain 27% DPS from that madrigal wearing rap. Total of 36.3% boost (3)
You gain 20% DPS from the march wearing rap. Total of 28.9% boost (4)

If we put on the Corazza we're looking at +7.5% accuracy +1% 3A (wut?) and -4% haste.

You gain 18.75% DPS from that madrigal wearing corazza (low due to capped out accuracy). Total of 33.4% boost (5)
You gain 18.36% DPS from the march wearing corazza. Total of 33.0% boost. (6)



These numbers are for a 16% haste build (excluding rap) with a base accuracy on colibri of 72.5% which makes the following assumptions:
The madrigal you recieved was that of a +5 merit with very high combined skills bard. The moment that this starts not being the case or if you're using a clu mantle, a Moogle de'tat helm that does +10 acc +3% haste, a speed/velocious belt or with homam pants instead of skadi or bravos everything in the maths swings in favour of the Corazza wearing doulbe march Thief. If you have all of those things then it's very heavily in favour of corazza+march. That's my conclusion anyway. Woof!

Just try to only PT with people who don't need madrigals... the nubs.

See below for more detailed maths of each section above

Hope this was helpful. It's probably wrong and thus totally unhelpful. In which case... hahaha!













Don't read if you don't care for numbers.

(1) calling our base accuracy 72.5% with no body piece or madrigal. Homam adds 15 acc which is roughly 7.5% accuracy. increase in DPS is therefore new accuracy divided by old. 80/72.5 = 1.103. This multiplied by (2x((111/110)-1))+1 which should be the DPS gained from 1% triple attack is 1.0182 x 1.103 = 1.12351 (i'm only showing rough figures here. There are no rounding errors).

(2) assuming a base haste amount of 16% of gear (turban, homam/dusk gloves, swift belt, bravo/skadi legs, homam/dusk+1 feet) and haste spell along with at least 1 march is 16+15+11 = 42% haste. Rap makes this 46% haste. (100-42)/(100-46) = 1.074

(3) 1.074 (base damage with rap) x 92/72.5 (DPS increase from accuracy) = 1.074 x 1.27 = 1.363

(4) 1.074 x (100-46)/(100-55) = 1.074 x 1.2 = 1.28888888888888889~

(5) 1.124 (base damage with homam) x 95/80 (acc is capped ) = 1.124 x 1.1875 = 1.3342

(6) 1.124 x (100-42)/(100-51) = 1.32987

[Kaparu]

That was all really quite unnecessary considering, again, there's always going to be someone who doesn't benefit from Madrigal. What matters is the difference between getting ~70 attack, and going from ~80% Acc to capped, from food alone.

As is inevitable, our understanding of what's best for us has changed. Stick with Crab Sushi.