[justalfo]

I leveled warrior to 71 about 4 years ago. Then just this week I got it to 75. Im currently working on sky to get the obvious(Osode and Haidaite etc), but id like your guys opinion on merits and what gear I have now.


As of now this is my gear setup:

TP:

Woodvilles/Maneater
Walahra Turban
Hauberk
Dusk gloves
Barone cosisoaslaes(Pants)
Dusk Feet
Chiv chain
Supponami/Fowling earring
Potent belt
Amemet +1
Snipers x 2


WS:
Askar head
Hauberk
Hecatomb Mittens
excorist hose
Rutter sabatons
Chiv Chain
Assault earring/fowling earring
potent belt
amemet +1

I have 2 ruby rings but I dont know if I should lose the 10 acc from snipers yet.



As for merits I have 2 in axe at the moment and 2 in Double attack rate. What should I focus on first.

Also everyone is telling me @#$% rampage use raging rush. But to be honest I was hitting 400-600 raging rushes with my berserkers axe and im hitting 500-1000 rampages right now. Plus I like the dual wielding axes. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Also I remember my old war friend who had a setup that would output 2k rampages everytime wondering if anyone knows how to do that. Thanks.


Also I forgot to add. Why does everyone say great axe is better. Everyone ive asked just says its better they dont give me examples or facts etc. I mean Im doing a lot more with rampage at the moment and its skill lvl even with the 2 merits is lower then great axe. Also Im not some idiot who will be rampaging kirin or anything^^ I know to use great axe then or for anything endgame really.



Also forgot to add the numbers and damage I mentioned are Merit parties on greaters, ALWAYS with a bard =D.

Please dont just say great axe is better tell me WHY it is better =D


Thanks

[Aragon]

Your friend hitting 2K Rampages all the time is a lie, straight up. Great Axe is better because it's an A+ weapon for Wars and because 2H weapons getter a bigger boost from stats. A War/Sam is easily able to maintain a 6-hit build to go along with a good hatse set which is pretty damn big in terms of output. Axe/Axe does not come close, even Maneater/Ridill shouldn't against a well geared GA user.

Don't really have time to get into it right now as I'm just leaving work but you should focus your merits on being a GA user and not a dual weilder.

[Daggermaster]

I use axe/ridill on most things as war(unless tp spam wouldnt be worth it). but i will say g.axe is so much nicer due to overall dmg. King's justice is such a nice WS to not pass up. trust us..g.axe is better :<

[Inquisitor]

Well, I was hoping for a worthwhile rejuvenation to the dead WAR forums, but we've seen threads like this many many times. GA > dual wield. End of story, it's not really a complicated issue. Stat boosts affect GA users more than dual wielders (STR, DEX) as was said. Haste and store tp combinations are too good to pass up GA use. Oh and yea.. 2k rampages = straight up false.

[Corrderio]

Well, I was hoping for a worthwhile rejuvenation to the dead WAR forums, but we've seen threads like this many many times. GA > dual wield. End of story, it's not really a complicated issue. Stat boosts affect GA users more than dual wielders (STR, DEX) as was said. Haste and store tp combinations are too good to pass up GA use. Oh and yea.. 2k rampages = straight up false.

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Sad thing is most WARs are dumbfucks and still DW.

[byte.xi]

WAR/NIN with Man/Ridill can beat WAR/NIN with Great Axe as long as they're exceptionally well geared and properly meritted. Great Axe as /SAM will always beat Dual Wield in pure damage. I choose /NIN in most situations because I prefer the survivability and it lets me play the style I want. There's some situations, though, where /SAM is preferable or GAX is always better (HNM). You likely won't beat Great Axe /NIN vs /NIN without a Ridill. So don't bother Dual Wielding without it.

[justalfo]

Well I see everyone is saying great axe and you have valid points. My only question left is then why am I getting an average of 400-500 with raging rush with this gear setup? What should I change? With this setup my rampages do 700-1200 at the moment. Guess I should mention Im elvaan - Should I go more dex for RR then?


Anyways thanks in advance!!

[Daggermaster]

are you eating atk food? are you meriting on birds or mamools? do you have a brdx2 a brd or a brd+cor?

[justalfo]

I always have 1 brd I eat sole sushi ive tried sole sushi and meat mithka. I only merit on Greaters.

[Alexisback]

i just got war to 75 couple of weeks ago, and through out 55-60 i out damage rampage with sturmwind, since i usualy duoed with a war/nin. I always used /sam, and was always critisized about how war should be using 2x axes. At 75 i use both, both capped. and both merited, i can deal out 800-1300 using rampage, and an average of 1000 on RR. i am a mithra - and my str @75 is 69+46 w/o food and 416 att with dual axes.
though, from 60-70 i was constantly doing almost 1k damage with RR /sam. my record was 1700 on colibris (not lesser, the colirbis that reflect) with 2 hour. And i never used axes untill 70ish.
war/nin i use axes
war/sam i use g.axe
my war/sam out parses my war/nin by about 3-4x.
if you want damage - merit your g.axe. Because when you're on gods and hnms war/thf SATA steel cyclone will be the best damage you'll get. and also the A+ makes you hit less

only tips i can think of is i use alky bracelets, (+11str) before that i used pallas bracelets (+9 str, cheap as hell) i always macros in for ws
if your gana use GA use barone pants for ws instead of tp build
for steel cyclone try and get warwolf belt (and when you do gods, try n get genbus helm. usualy easiest drop to get tbh)
Also.. if you don't wana lose the +10 acc from snippers, use 1 snippers and 1 ruby ring for ws. there for you get more damage but still a bit of acc

[Corrderio]

What gear are you using for weaponskill? More importantly what axes/great axes are you using?

[justalfo]

I leveled warrior to 71 about 4 years ago. Then just this week I got it to 75. Im currently working on sky to get the obvious(Osode and Haidaite etc), but id like your guys opinion on merits and what gear I have now.


As of now this is my gear setup:

TP:

Woodvilles/Maneater
Walahra Turban
Hauberk
Dusk gloves
Barone cosisoaslaes(Pants)
Dusk Feet
Chiv chain
Supponami/Fowling earring
Potent belt
Amemet +1
Snipers x 2


WS:
Askar head
Hauberk
Hecatomb Mittens
excorist hose
Rutter sabatons
Chiv Chain
Assault earring/fowling earring
potent belt
amemet +1

I have 2 ruby rings but I dont know if I should lose the 10 acc from snipers yet.



As for merits I have 2 in axe at the moment and 2 in Double attack rate. What should I focus on first.

Also everyone is telling me @#$% rampage use raging rush. But to be honest I was hitting 400-600 raging rushes with my berserkers axe and im hitting 500-1000 rampages right now. Plus I like the dual wielding axes. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Also I remember my old war friend who had a setup that would output 2k rampages everytime wondering if anyone knows how to do that. Thanks.


Also I forgot to add. Why does everyone say great axe is better. Everyone ive asked just says its better they dont give me examples or facts etc. I mean Im doing a lot more with rampage at the moment and its skill lvl even with the 2 merits is lower then great axe. Also Im not some idiot who will be rampaging kirin or anything^^ I know to use great axe then or for anything endgame really.



Also forgot to add the numbers and damage I mentioned are Merit parties on greaters, ALWAYS with a bard =D.

Please dont just say great axe is better tell me WHY it is better =D


Thanks

I have my gear posted at the top here it is again

I have a blizzard toporok that im using till byakkos since its only 2 base dmg less then byakkos.

[Daggermaster]

perdu g.axe.

[Konda]

i just got war to 75 couple of weeks ago, and through out 55-60 i out damage rampage with sturmwind, since i usualy duoed with a war/nin. I always used /sam, and was always critisized about how war should be using 2x axes. At 75 i use both, both capped. and both merited, i can deal out 800-1300 using rampage, and an average of 1000 on RR. i am a mithra - and my str @75 is 69+46 w/o food and 416 att with dual axes.
though, from 60-70 i was constantly doing almost 1k damage with RR /sam. my record was 1700 on colibris (not lesser, the colirbis that reflect) with 2 hour. And i never used axes untill 70ish.
war/nin i use axes
war/sam i use g.axe
my war/sam out parses my war/nin by about 3-4x.
if you want damage - merit your g.axe. Because when you're on gods and hnms war/thf SATA steel cyclone will be the best damage you'll get. and also the A+ makes you hit less

only tips i can think of is i use alky bracelets, (+11str) before that i used pallas bracelets (+9 str, cheap as hell) i always macros in for ws
if your gana use GA use barone pants for ws instead of tp build
for steel cyclone try and get warwolf belt (and when you do gods, try n get genbus helm. usualy easiest drop to get tbh)
Also.. if you don't wana lose the +10 acc from snippers, use 1 snippers and 1 ruby ring for ws. there for you get more damage but still a bit of acc

bolded retarded bits.


since 4 years ago, a few things have changed.

-Raging Rush changed (this was donkeys years ago however, and my WAR was lv ~20 at the time).
-The 2hander patch. This makes 1STR = 0.75 Attack and 1DEX=0.75 Acc for 2handed weapons.
-Hasso/Seigan.
-Different Merit Mobs... Utsus was needed for Deco Weapon parties.
-X-Hit setups have been discovered for jobs besides SAM.
-Perdu Voulge.
-King's Justice

Each of these changes has increased the effectiveness of Gaxe.

Rampage and Dual wield is just as strong as it's ever been, but Gaxe and RR/KJ have been vastly improved to a point where DW is pretty much obsolete compared with it.

Hell, my Axe is only lv ~250, still need to cap that... And I want to play round with Joytoy Rampage build a little, when I need to go /nin.

[Byrthnoth]

I always have 1 brd I eat sole sushi ive tried sole sushi and meat mithka. I only merit on Greaters.

You need to eat meat with Great Axe on Colibri, gear for accuracy, sub Samurai, and merit Great Axe. If you're going to use Sushi, might as well use Crab Sushi with it. Great Axe accuracy with meat isn't super fantastic until you have a decent build (Skill merits help a lot).

Here is what to aim for before you condemn Great Axe. Overall, it's fairly affordable and most of it would be useful for your Axe/Axe WAR too.

Perdu Voulge (5 Acc) / Pole Grip / Fire Bomblet (6 Acc)
W-turban / Peacock Charm (10 Acc) / Assault Earring (2 Acc) / Brutal Earring
Hauberk +1 (15-16 Acc) / Dusk Gloves / Rajas Ring (~4 Acc) / 5 Acc ring
Attack back / Swift belt (3 Acc) / Haidates (~12 Acc) / Aurum Sabatons (~7 Acc)

8/8 G.Axe skill merits, Mithkabobs

282 Acc from skill, ~69 Acc from gear, ~51 Acc from base Dex = 402 Acc total. That should be good for 90%+ Hit rate on Greater Colibri.

If you go:

Berserker's / Pole Grip / Bomb Core
Turban / Chiv Chain (5 Acc) / Fowling Earring (3 Acc) / Brutal?
Hauberk (~13 Acc) / Dusk / 2 Sniper (10 Acc)
Amemet / Potent (8 Acc) / Barone / Dusk

with 0 Great Axe merits, then (assuming you're capped for skill) you have:

268 Acc from skill, 41 Acc from gear, ~51 Acc from base Dex = 360 Acc. That would give you a ~70% Hit rate on lolibri. Not to mention that (unless I'm looking at this wrong) you don't have a 6-hit (+1 STP).


To some extent, this justifies your choice to use Sushi. You may actually do better damage Axe/Axe than with GA in this situation because your Attack is low and you aren't using a 6-hit. My advice is to level Red Mage and focus on making money. Then merit on RDM to cap your G.Axe skill and spend the money on the WAR gear I listed. Oh, and finish CoP!

A WAR with the gear I listed will probably double-triple your damage.

[lolwtfbbq]

Perdu Voulge (5 Acc) / Pole Grip / Fire Bomblet (6 Acc)
W-turban / Peacock Charm (10 Acc) / Assault Earring (2 Acc) / Brutal Earring
Hauberk +1 (15-16 Acc) / Dusk Gloves / Rajas Ring (~4 Acc) / 5 Acc ring
Attack back / Swift belt (3 Acc) / Haidates (~12 Acc) / Aurum Sabatons (~7 Acc)

8/8 G.Axe skill merits, Mithkabobs

282 Acc from skill, ~69 Acc from gear, ~51 Acc from base Dex = 402 Acc total. That should be good for 90%+ Hit rate on Greater Colibri.

Should switch the back to cuchulians if you can as well.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, ffxiclopedia has greater colibri (81) listed at 339 evasion, with the 80s listed at 334 evasion.

339+4*6+40 = 403 Accuracy to cap hit rate on level 81s
334+4*5+40 = 394 Accuracy to cap hit rate on level 80s

So any accuracy you add between 394 and 403 total accuracy is actually slightly wasted because it only improves your performance on one of the two levels (80 or 81) that colibris spawn at. So adding accuracy only increases your damage on one of the two lolibri levels, but adding attack increases it (probably) on both.

Either way, being 1 accuracy off the hit rate cap (94.5% hit rate half the time) probably isn't worth switching Cuchu's in for an Atk+15 back, and I did the Dex->Acc conversion sloppily rounding down, so the build probably has more Acc than I listed.

I haven't heard of many people doing this, but on Colibri at least it seems viable to switch Accuracy for Attack when Aggressor is on. PCC -> Fort Torque, Fire Bomblet -> Bomb Core, Hauberk +1 -> lolACPbody with DA and Atk? Maybe there are more efficient ways to do it, but that'd probably lose you about 25 Acc. Idk, if I was using windower macros when I had Byrth I'd probably have done it.

[Yhelothur]

The greater colibri are level 81 and 82. Not 80 and 81.

407 acc to cap on the lv82 birds if I recall correctly.

[samir]

GA got boosted alot but there are still situations a Man/Ridill will parse higher, especially on merit mobs and lower stuffs. Can't understand how some guys state "GA with /Sam always > Man/Ridill", aren't you underestimating the DoT of a Ridill in combination with Hastes and Dualwield-enhancements?
from my own experience i can't say it for sure since i don't use parsers alot cause it is the xp that matters for me and not if i parse 0,35% higher than someone else but the few times i tested it i beat any GA WAR in a merit PT no matter if he was /SAM or /NIN, one of them was a ls mate with like the same gear (ebody, nhead, brutal, rajas, etc...) and even KJ.

of course i like to use GA too, especially on higher things, when dual-wield isn't doing much but feeding the mob tp. anyway, it's all personal preferance.

[Saxonian]

i don't use parsers alot

That would be your problem.