[Cruzandercerberus]

The current failure in American post-secondary education, and I imagine it is even more true in Europe where pretty much anyone can be sent to university owing to socialist government programs, is that any idiot can get in. The result has been a dumbing down of university to the point that I had to practically hold a gun to my own head to suffer it since the world refuses to value me without a meaningless piece of paper. The world needs cogs to make it run and the truth is that most people are content to be cogs. The distribution of wealth as a result of the sweat of their labor should be examined, because only the most neurotic of fiscal conservatives (read: the richest of the rich who knows damned well he never worked for it) can agree with the current ratio of wealth distribution and income versus need.

This is perfect.

There are many people talking about money for teachers, etc... The problem is that stupid people aren't allowed to be stupid. our education system spends hundreds of times more on special ed then on gifted programs. This needs to stop.

Although it's true that our stupidest are teaching the children due to monetary constraints, it wouldn't be a great idea to have the *brightest* doing it either. It would be a waste of their talents and patience. They should be doing research and teaching graduate students, or else running things. There's a reason why police departments drop the highest scoring candidates from their applicant pools....they will not be interested in their jobs for very long.

[firefeng]

A lot of kids around the world have fucked up parents or live in fucked up environments. We, as a whole, have a responsability in the quality of their lives. We decided to live in sociaty, so we need to put in place, the long-term solutions that will make, yes, even your lives, better. Why? Because they will become contributors. The lack of education and poverty have a direct correlation with crime and mental illness like neurosis

Their environments are crafting most of their behaviors. I don't beleive in human nature (beside the need to have kids, reach happiness, preserving our life), nor do I beleive in any god. It's a coward way to approach most of the problems about bad behaviors. It's equal to giving up and take no reponsablilities for our actions. There's some mental illness but most of our bad beheviors are due to neurosis from environments, like the lack of money, the lack of food, lack of love etc. I'm absolutly sure that if these kids were given an education at low age, from 5 years old to college, we'd have a very different sociaty. I'm not talking about academic education, I'm talking about behavior education. Nothing can be accomplished with someone who have huge problems of behavior, with very few exceptions. I think it's time to create responsible adults instead of creating only good workers with those who have more luck in life. Once they have learnt to be decent human beings, they'll be ready to learn a profession, and it's valid for everyone.

Few months ago, I've seen a documentary about 5-6 y old childrens at school with a teacher teaching them some basic ethic. At first, the kids were not able to comprehend abstract ethical problems...but at the end of the scholar year, all the kids were a lot more capable to do critical thinking. The next step of our evolution is in there. We're not going to go any further socially until we realise that our schools are only there to create good lil worker, not to create adults capable of critical thinking. Once you'll realise it, you'll have to ask yourself, why is it this way, cause our social patterns are no where near our level of knowledge. I don't think our gouvernments want us all to be smart adults capable of critical thinking. A lot of things would change. As it is, they have huge powers and we have none, or almost none. Think about it. There's people who have interests to keep you as ignorant, idiotic sheeps, raised by TV and videogames, willing to work very hard for money...their money. Thinking that money is equal to liberty is an illusion.

But ultimatly, our monetary sytem is the thing to blame. You might be biased about it, but look at the issues that money brings. You'll see that it brings a lot of shit to the table and next to nothing good, and the positive things could be replaced with good education about being contributors. The incentives are everywhere and new ones can easily replace money.

I wish this debate was in french, I'd be a lot more confortable. So, sorry for my grammar errors. I've been studying the subject for years. It's very interesting.

Coming from someone prone to nonsensical bullshit-spouting, this is nonsensical bullshit.

[1337NancYBoY]

Rush Limbaugh:

"It is these elected black leaders, the civil-rights coalitions – they're the ones that keep causing all this racial divide, they're the ones that keep calling attention to all this," said Limbaugh. "They're the ones that keep stirring this pot. They're the ones who don't want there to be any colorblind society. They're the ones who keep being agitated and trying to agitate others over all this, and now it's descended into the meaningless element of the names of hurricanes."

I can't help but agree with this assessment. When I see someone who is a different color than I am, or has a differently shaped face, I harbor no ill will towards them whatsoever. I may assume that because someone is Asian they're probably committed to getting a good education, or of possessing one, and if I see someone who is black I might assume they like rap music, but I certainly don't think they deserve any less of an opportunity to make something of themselves than I do, nor do I treat them differently in any way.

A lot of kids around the world have fucked up parents or live in fucked up environments. We, as a whole, have a responsability in the quality of their lives. We decided to live in sociaty, so we need to put in place, the long-term solutions that will make, yes, even your lives, better. Why? Because they will become contributors. The lack of education and poverty have a direct correlation with crime and mental illness like neurosis

You point is contingent on every society on earth being fully integrated. If countries which aren't trading with mine, nor sharing a border, nor interacting in any meaningful way are suffering then there is no pragmatic reason for me to care. I don't owe them anything (nice Undistributed Middle fallacy, by the way) nor do they owe me anything. Being a member of a successful society makes me in no way indebted to someone sheerly because they, too, are a member of a society.

Now, if you are advocating a type of global, unified society and government, then that would have to come to pass before the current state of affairs in whereeverthefuck before it began to effect me. and therefore becomes a concern of mine.

Their environments are crafting most of their behaviors. I don't beleive in human nature (beside the need to have kids, reach happiness, preserving our life).

So... You don't believe in human nature, only you do? Human nature fucking exists. All people share similar traits because they are all human. Everyone, no matter where you go, is predisposed towards doing and wanting certain things. If you don't share this view then you either haven't traveled a whole lot, or you don't know a whole lot about other cultures and/or are incapable of critically analyzing what you do know.

Few months ago, I've seen a documentary about 5-6 y old childrens at school with a teacher teaching them some basic ethic. At first, the kids were not able to comprehend abstract ethical problems...but at the end of the scholar year, all the kids were a lot more capable to do critical thinking. The next step of our evolution is in there. We're not going to go any further socially until we realise that our schools are only there to create good lil worker, not to create adults capable of critical thinking. Once you'll realise it, you'll have to ask yourself, why is it this way, cause our social patterns are no where near our level of knowledge. I don't think our gouvernments want us all to be smart adults capable of critical thinking. A lot of things would change. As it is, they have huge powers and we have none, or almost none. Think about it. There's people who have interests to keep you as ignorant, idiotic sheeps, raised by TV and videogames, willing to work very hard for money...their money. Thinking that money is equal to liberty is an illusion.

But ultimatly, our monetary sytem is the thing to blame. You might be biased about it, but look at the issues that money brings. You'll see that it brings a lot of shit to the table and next to nothing good, and the positive things could be replaced with good education about being contributors. The incentives are everywhere and new ones can easily replace money.

Considering that you play FFXI and obviously enjoy access to the internet, you really have no grounds to call anyone out on being a sheep simply because they like the things society has to offer. You do too, and you probably wouldn't even exist if your parents didn't as well.

As far as blaming money for anything, well, all I have to say is lol. Human beings are greedy, we all want, and we all want more of what we want. Money's purpose is to act as an intermediary between what we've contributed and what we should get in return. Granted, it's a flawed system, but other countries have tried other systems and they didn't seem to work out quite so well.

Though, considering you're from Quebec, I think it's fair to peg you as a socialist and reckon that any opinion you have has been infected by the sense of entitlement such a political persuasion brings.

[Twinblades]

Becoming a new country but keeping economic ties with Canadaland? No thanks

[firefeng]

The result has been a dumbing down of university to the point that I had to practically hold a gun to my own head to suffer it since the world refuses to value me without a meaningless piece of paper.

I almost turned gay for you with this sentence. Almost.

[KeysOfOdin]

So, you guys can't come out with something at least remotely original? Come on, there's not a single bit of data coming off you mouth (fingers) that I wasn't aware of. None of you. I'm not 18-20 years old. I'm 31. I've worked all my life... I'm not separatist...as you were thinking...and the most important thing, I'm not close minded like you. You were prompt to categorize me, based on what, a 200 words text? You read very little about how I think cause I posted like 5 times in 6 years here but I've read you for years. I know damn well that you are biased at a disgusting level. You guys, are really amazing, but that, you already know it, don't you? It happens to you to climb down your ivory towers to have a look at the real world instead of vomiting your pseudo-intellectual data, trying to intimidate the average dumb net user?

Your motivations, and those of several millions of others are not what the majority needs, it's what you think you need. Your environment tells you that you need it. Change it and the needs will change, and you will too. We're living in an artificial scarcity just because some wants an edge over the others. It's not human nature, it's what human behavior is right now because:

1) we didn't live this way for milleniums, which makes it by default, the only way to live, without even thinking if something else could be possible. You think it's impossible to acheive it or you don't want it to be acheived? People are biased on so many levels that they can even lie to themselve, without even knowing it. That's very biased, and I think it's what you are. Put your damn ego aside if you dare, you'll see the world on a different angle. You're individualism doesn't make you stronger, it makes you weaker. Maybe you think you're more important than people in the third world, and if you do, your ego is full of shit, but beleive me, you're not more important. As a whole, by being individualist, you're making us weaker in front of the true power controling our lives, our governments and the corporations behind it. I've chosed to avoid being a puppet, even living in the system, and it serves me well. Do as you wish and have a long life full of illusions.

2) we used to live in high scarcity, which is irrelevant on many levels today with our current state of technology, if we'd use ressources smartly. We consume a ridiculously high amount of ''short replacement cycle products'' meant to last for a short time. At least, admit this point. We could have technology at his higher state but we choose to consume weak products. Soon, all the cheap products will be made by machines, or in another country. It's already the reality and the speed of these changes are going at light speed. Soon there will be a lot of jobs that are going to disappear and you can't hope for dump peoples to become smart suddenly and be able to learn complex professions. If it's a very high rise of crime rate that you want, you'll be served, be sure of it. The criminality in USA is in direct correlation with how you treat the poors in your country, good luck with the future, you'll need it. Go have a walk in all major cities in Canada, you'll see it have a multi-cultural population. We have as many firearms as you do and yet...our crime rate is indefinetly lower than yours...and no...being fewer is not the only reason, try something else.

There's billions of humans in many countries on this planet who gets virtualy nothing off the ressources of their homeland because international banks (own in majority by your so great country, USA, and mine, Canada) lend them money they know they won't be able to repay, thanks to their corrupted leaders, and ours. So yes, you owe them something my good sirs. Our lifestyle is what it is because we abuse some uneducated countries around the world.

Oh yeah, you can stop to poke my Ego (yeah, with a fkn capital E), it's huge, you won't affect it in any way possible. Be constructive, it's not that hard. Just be glad english is not my mother's language, I'd crush you. Your own fallacies make you see fallacies everywhere, the irony of this reach new summits. Bring fresh arguments for a change please, the same old bullshit doesn't cut it anymore. Ok, we know that you're conservative...and...?........??.............Can I hope for something fresh and come back to this thread or you're going to continue to regurgitate the evidence that you are biased? Come on guys, I know we're surrounded by retarded people and building an optimised world on this base is going be hard as fuck to put in place. Just open your perspectives, it sadden me to hear so many bullshits of self-proclaimed defender of the established order from such brillant men (2) as you. You know who you are. The other's are just mindless followers.

I'm not maxist at all, I just laughed when I read this. Good try.

[1337NancYBoY]

So, you guys can't come out with something at least remotely original? Come on, there's not a single bit of data coming off you mouth (fingers) that I wasn't aware of. None of you.

Oh, this is rich. What 'data' have you brought to the table, then? You saw a fucking documentary once? What was it called? What study did it document? Who made it? Was it respected by the scientific community for it's integrity or was it dismissed out of hand?

I'm not 18-20 years old. I'm 31. I've worked all my life... I'm not separatist...as you were thinking...and the most important thing, I'm not close minded like you. You were prompt to categorize me, based on what, a 200 words text? You read very little about how I think cause I posted like 5 times in 6 years here but I've read you for years. I know damn well that you are biased at a disgusting level. You guys, are really amazing, but that, you already know it, don't you? It happens to you to climb down your ivory towers to have a look at the real world instead of vomiting your pseudo-intellectual data, trying to intimidate the average dumb net user?

Your familiarity with our arguments does not invalidate them, and everyone is biased. That's another part of human nature - our emotions and opinions all come into play when we make value judgments and set goals. One would think you'd have realized such, after living around humans for thirty-one years.

we didn't live this way for milleniums, which makes it by default, the only way to live, without even thinking if something else could be possible.

No, we were ruled by God-Kings and tyrants for millennia, with a few scattered tribes you dumb fuck. Outside of a handful of civilizations that actually enjoyed something approaching modern democracy, everyone was either living in fucking tents or a slave.

Maybe you think you're more important than people in the third world, and if you do, your ego is full of shit, but beleive me, you're not more important.

Perhaps not to you I'm not, but that's not the point. I'm more important to me than people living in third world countries with no economic ties to my own. You still haven't managed to bring a logical argument to the table that shows why I should care about them, instead your playing the same old bullshit game of 'They're just as important as you!' 'They shouldn't be starving!' 'We should help them!' that's commonly referred to as a Red Herring. If you want me to care about starving people, then you have to prove why I should. Saying that I'm not important to you or God or whatever proves nothing. Their suffering and stagnation is in no way contingent upon my importance.

As a whole, by being individualist, you're making us weaker in front of the true power controling our lives, our governments and the corporations behind it. I've chosed to avoid being a puppet, even living in the system, and it serves me well. Do as you wish and have a long life full of illusions.

Yes, well, there's this thing called a Social Contract that some people share with one another so that by working together they can have more. If you don't want to partake in society for whatever reason, you don't have to. Go live out in the woods and hunt bears or something. If you do want to be a part of a real society, then you're going to have to deal with the fact that there are millions of other opinions out there, and millions of other desires out there. Since this is a democratic nation, each of those opinions has a small amount of say. This means that, while corporate juggernauts might have a much more powerful lobby group than you do, they're still people and have every much a right to power as you do.

See, no matter what kind of society you have, there will always be those with power and those without. There will always be those who live well and those who do not. These are things that have been a part of the human collective since before recorded history, and until we evolve into something completely beyond imagining, they always shall be a part of our societies. The fact that you so adamantly deny the existence of human nature is laughable. All animals have traits which characterize them, are you honestly so stupid as to think humans do not? Do you actually think that sentience has erased the instincts we had as apes? And even if it did, why is what you're proposing better?

Actually, what exactly are you proposing? You sort of just pointed at a lot of different things and said 'YOUR DOING IT WRONG!' and then called everyone a sheep. If you want people here to take you seriously, you're going to actually suggest something, not just say 'We should do it this way!' and then make broad generalizations about the education system and blame everything on money in a manner so ambiguous that I'm not even sure if you disagree with the concept of wealth at all.

we used to live in high scarcity, which is irrelevant on many levels today with our current state of technology, if we'd use ressources smartly. We consume a ridiculously high amount of ''short replacement cycle products'' meant to last for a short time. At least, admit this point.

I don't think anyone here has ever made a point to the contrary of what you just said. I, for one, agree that the system needs reform, because the current one is fucking ridiculous to the point that I suspect it's run by Rumbass through hurriedly-typed posts. That's not what we're disagreeing with, however, it's the neo-marxist slant the rest of what you say has.

There's billions of humans in many countries on this planet who gets virtualy nothing off the ressources of their homeland because international banks (own in majority by your so great country, USA, and mine, Canada) lend them money they know they won't be able to repay, thanks to their corrupted leaders, and ours. So yes, you owe them something my good sirs. Our lifestyle is what it is because we abuse some uneducated countries around the world.

Why shouldn't we use the power we have to attain more power? It seems to be working quite well for us so far.

Just be glad english is not my mother's language, I'd crush you.

Considering that you debate like logic isn't your preferred method of reasoning, I highly doubt that.

[Xellith]

1337NancYBoY.. I believe the US is a democratic republic not just a Democracy. Democracy FTL

[Xellith]

DOUBLE POST FTW!

[KeysOfOdin]

You definetly mix your logic with what you want to be genuinely logical. I'm not saying, and never was, that mine was flawless but you guys are constantly saying yours are. I've seen it in countless threads on this forum. A lot of persons here have been the victims of your own biased logic, bullying people with what you think is true but it's nothing more than this...what you think is true, not the truth. If you want the truth, or at least be close enough to it to call it this way, you need to apply a scientific examination to the problem, not just throw your feelings or your narrow perceptions of the world at it. I'll ask this question again: do you want to be constructive or you want to be the absolute self-proclaimed truth without even trying to push the discussion further?

We're not ants, dogs or plants. We are animals able to transform their environments. Look around you, our creations are everywhere. So, we can change almost everything in our environements but we cannot change ourselve? Really?You can't be serious. Life has changed you many times so far and will continue to do so. The roads you'll choose will make you a different person years after years, as long as you're willing and not affraid to explore new avenues. You're over-minimizing the subject and in all honesty, I'm not surprised at all. I'll give you a point you didn't dare to give me though, in such short texts, it's impossible to approach these issues with meticulous treatments. If you were intellectually honest about it, you'd realise it instead of jumping to the conclusions as fast as a cocaine addict want his next dose. If you're not narrow minded, ask me questions about my points instead of calling me names like a fucking kid. It's the way mature and self-confident adults are supposed to behave if they want to solve problems.

America is not the world, it's just the place where you live. In our era, with the current state of technology, we have relations with all the human beings of this planet and no matter if you like it or not, our actions creates reactions. Some planes have been thrown at some of your towers in 2001, you remember? Yeah I know, it would be impossible to forget it. Did you ask yourself why some guys decided that you deserved it or you're so full of yourself that you really think your country did nothing to bring it on you? Don't tell me that they did it cause they hate your freedom and democracy liked Bush like to say...please don't. We abused several countries and as a reaction, they want revenge. Was it right? Fuck no! What you did to them was not right either and if you look at the numbers of victims on both sides, I'm almost tempted to say it was well deserved but it'd be very wrong to say such a thing. It's not going to solve anything to let myself being consumed with hatred, it will only blind me. If you, americans, could try to put your fucking patriotism aside for few minutes, you'd see a whole different world. We can't blame it only on it though, your medias are doing a hell of a job to keep you biased at the highest level. The more you're blind, the more you're biaised, it's a proportional thing. You ever realised how love makes someone blind? It's the same process. You're not going to see anything else until you become a little less in love with the idealogy you cherished. Well, before you tell me that mine could makes me blind too, I'll tell you that few years ago, I was thinking the same way than you on many issues. My logic is in evolution, but I doubt, for now, that yours is...and it's why I'm here, using a lot of my time, explaining this stuff on an american board. It's a kind of suicide (you guys are agressive as fuck and imo, the less pleasant to discuss with) but I actually enjoy it. My ego is huge, it doesn't affect me at all. Fuck, I'm even asking for more. Clearly, I am, cause I'm pretty sure you won't considerate my suggestion about being contructive and you'll come back with sharp teeth...proving that I'm right on this last point.

Before to operate great changes in this world, you have to do it in you and it's going to be the hardest part. It's like stopping to smoke cigarettes. It's easy as fuck, but if you decide it won't, it's going to be a real nightmare. You can have a lot more control over your behaviors than you think. We are creators, never forget this. We'll never be perfect but at least we can try. Not even trying is fooling yourself.

[pathwriter]

Your logic is flawed at a fundamental level. Your idea of the world is that everyone should be king. It doesn't work that way. At the end of the day, someone has to shovel shit and, similarly, someone who is going to shovel shit all day does not require much of an education. There are numerous literary examples of what happens when you try to make everyone equal. The process is never that humans are universally enlightened but, rather, all reduced to the lowest possible level. Ayn Rand's Anthem, George Orwell's 1984, and Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron would all make for good reading on what equality is.

[KeysOfOdin]

And yours is flawed because you have no regards to our state of technology. Put aside our moneraty system for a ressources based system, and a lot of things that I'm saying becomes a lot more possible.

The technology is already replacing us don't you see? A lot of jobs, in a near future, will vanish...and if it happens in our current system, shit will hit the fan on a greater scale than the great depression around the time of the creation of the FED. So, we take the dumbs in charge or we let them die? If we ignore them, beleive me, the rise of crime rate will pulverize anything we ever knew in North America, not even the fucking Far West will come close. In a moneraty system, none of these two solutions are sustainable.

[Levian]

A lot of kids around the world have fucked up parents or live in fucked up environments. We, as a whole, have a responsability in the quality of their lives. We decided to live in sociaty, so we need to put in place, the long-term solutions that will make, yes, even your lives, better. Why? Because they will become contributors. The lack of education and poverty have a direct correlation with crime and mental illness like neurosis

Their environments are crafting most of their behaviors. I don't beleive in human nature (beside the need to have kids, reach happiness, preserving our life), nor do I beleive in any god. It's a coward way to approach most of the problems about bad behaviors. It's equal to giving up and take no reponsablilities for our actions. There's some mental illness but most of our bad beheviors are due to neurosis from environments, like the lack of money, the lack of food, lack of love etc. I'm absolutly sure that if these kids were given an education at low age, from 5 years old to college, we'd have a very different sociaty. I'm not talking about academic education, I'm talking about behavior education. Nothing can be accomplished with someone who have huge problems of behavior, with very few exceptions. I think it's time to create responsible adults instead of creating only good workers with those who have more luck in life. Once they have learnt to be decent human beings, they'll be ready to learn a profession, and it's valid for everyone.

Few months ago, I've seen a documentary about 5-6 y old childrens at school with a teacher teaching them some basic ethic. At first, the kids were not able to comprehend abstract ethical problems...but at the end of the scholar year, all the kids were a lot more capable to do critical thinking. The next step of our evolution is in there. We're not going to go any further socially until we realise that our schools are only there to create good lil worker, not to create adults capable of critical thinking. Once you'll realise it, you'll have to ask yourself, why is it this way, cause our social patterns are no where near our level of knowledge. I don't think our gouvernments want us all to be smart adults capable of critical thinking. A lot of things would change. As it is, they have huge powers and we have none, or almost none. Think about it. There's people who have interests to keep you as ignorant, idiotic sheeps, raised by TV and videogames, willing to work very hard for money...their money. Thinking that money is equal to liberty is an illusion.

But ultimatly, our monetary sytem is the thing to blame. You might be biased about it, but look at the issues that money brings. You'll see that it brings a lot of shit to the table and next to nothing good, and the positive things could be replaced with good education about being contributors. The incentives are everywhere and new ones can easily replace money.

I wish this debate was in french, I'd be a lot more confortable. So, sorry for my grammar errors. I've been studying the subject for years. It's very interesting.

So, you guys can't come out with something at least remotely original? Come on, there's not a single bit of data coming off you mouth (fingers) that I wasn't aware of. None of you. I'm not 18-20 years old. I'm 31. I've worked all my life... I'm not separatist...as you were thinking...and the most important thing, I'm not close minded like you. You were prompt to categorize me, based on what, a 200 words text? You read very little about how I think cause I posted like 5 times in 6 years here but I've read you for years. I know damn well that you are biased at a disgusting level. You guys, are really amazing, but that, you already know it, don't you? It happens to you to climb down your ivory towers to have a look at the real world instead of vomiting your pseudo-intellectual data, trying to intimidate the average dumb net user?

Your motivations, and those of several millions of others are not what the majority needs, it's what you think you need. Your environment tells you that you need it. Change it and the needs will change, and you will too. We're living in an artificial scarcity just because some wants an edge over the others. It's not human nature, it's what human behavior is right now because:

1) we didn't live this way for milleniums, which makes it by default, the only way to live, without even thinking if something else could be possible. You think it's impossible to acheive it or you don't want it to be acheived? People are biased on so many levels that they can even lie to themselve, without even knowing it. That's very biased, and I think it's what you are. Put your damn ego aside if you dare, you'll see the world on a different angle. You're individualism doesn't make you stronger, it makes you weaker. Maybe you think you're more important than people in the third world, and if you do, your ego is full of shit, but beleive me, you're not more important. As a whole, by being individualist, you're making us weaker in front of the true power controling our lives, our governments and the corporations behind it. I've chosed to avoid being a puppet, even living in the system, and it serves me well. Do as you wish and have a long life full of illusions.

2) we used to live in high scarcity, which is irrelevant on many levels today with our current state of technology, if we'd use ressources smartly. We consume a ridiculously high amount of ''short replacement cycle products'' meant to last for a short time. At least, admit this point. We could have technology at his higher state but we choose to consume weak products. Soon, all the cheap products will be made by machines, or in another country. It's already the reality and the speed of these changes are going at light speed. Soon there will be a lot of jobs that are going to disappear and you can't hope for dump peoples to become smart suddenly and be able to learn complex professions. If it's a very high rise of crime rate that you want, you'll be served, be sure of it. The criminality in USA is in direct correlation with how you treat the poors in your country, good luck with the future, you'll need it. Go have a walk in all major cities in Canada, you'll see it have a multi-cultural population. We have as many firearms as you do and yet...our crime rate is indefinetly lower than yours...and no...being fewer is not the only reason, try something else.

There's billions of humans in many countries on this planet who gets virtualy nothing off the ressources of their homeland because international banks (own in majority by your so great country, USA, and mine, Canada) lend them money they know they won't be able to repay, thanks to their corrupted leaders, and ours. So yes, you owe them something my good sirs. Our lifestyle is what it is because we abuse some uneducated countries around the world.

Oh yeah, you can stop to poke my Ego (yeah, with a fkn capital E), it's huge, you won't affect it in any way possible. Be constructive, it's not that hard. Just be glad english is not my mother's language, I'd crush you. Your own fallacies make you see fallacies everywhere, the irony of this reach new summits. Bring fresh arguments for a change please, the same old bullshit doesn't cut it anymore. Ok, we know that you're conservative...and...?........??.............Can I hope for something fresh and come back to this thread or you're going to continue to regurgitate the evidence that you are biased? Come on guys, I know we're surrounded by retarded people and building an optimised world on this base is going be hard as fuck to put in place. Just open your perspectives, it sadden me to hear so many bullshits of self-proclaimed defender of the established order from such brillant men (2) as you. You know who you are. The other's are just mindless followers.

I'm not maxist at all, I just laughed when I read this. Good try.

You definetly mix your logic with what you want to be genuinely logical. I'm not saying, and never was, that mine was flawless but you guys are constantly saying yours are. I've seen it in countless threads on this forum. A lot of persons here have been the victims of your own biased logic, bullying people with what you think is true but it's nothing more than this...what you think is true, not the truth. If you want the truth, or at least be close enough to it to call it this way, you need to apply a scientific examination to the problem, not just throw your feelings or your narrow perceptions of the world at it. I'll ask this question again: do you want to be constructive or you want to be the absolute self-proclaimed truth without even trying to push the discussion further?

We're not ants, dogs or plants. We are animals able to transform their environments. Look around you, our creations are everywhere. So, we can change almost everything in our environements but we cannot change ourselve? Really?You can't be serious. Life has changed you many times so far and will continue to do so. The roads you'll choose will make you a different person years after years, as long as you're willing and not affraid to explore new avenues. You're over-minimizing the subject and in all honesty, I'm not surprised at all. I'll give you a point you didn't dare to give me though, in such short texts, it's impossible to approach these issues with meticulous treatments. If you were intellectually honest about it, you'd realise it instead of jumping to the conclusions as fast as a cocaine addict want his next dose. If you're not narrow minded, ask me questions about my points instead of calling me names like a fucking kid. It's the way mature and self-confident adults are supposed to behave if they want to solve problems.

America is not the world, it's just the place where you live. In our era, with the current state of technology, we have relations with all the human beings of this planet and no matter if you like it or not, our actions creates reactions. Some planes have been thrown at some of your towers in 2001, you remember? Yeah I know, it would be impossible to forget it. Did you ask yourself why some guys decided that you deserved it or you're so full of yourself that you really think your country did nothing to bring it on you? Don't tell me that they did it cause they hate your freedom and democracy liked Bush like to say...please don't. We abused several countries and as a reaction, they want revenge. Was it right? Fuck no! What you did to them was not right either and if you look at the numbers of victims on both sides, I'm almost tempted to say it was well deserved but it'd be very wrong to say such a thing. It's not going to solve anything to let myself being consumed with hatred, it will only blind me. If you, americans, could try to put your fucking patriotism aside for few minutes, you'd see a whole different world. We can't blame it only on it though, your medias are doing a hell of a job to keep you biased at the highest level. The more you're blind, the more you're biaised, it's a proportional thing. You ever realised how love makes someone blind? It's the same process. You're not going to see anything else until you become a little less in love with the idealogy you cherished. Well, before you tell me that mine could makes me blind too, I'll tell you that few years ago, I was thinking the same way than you on many issues. My logic is in evolution, but I doubt, for now, that yours is...and it's why I'm here, using a lot of my time, explaining this stuff on an american board. It's a kind of suicide (you guys are agressive as fuck and imo, the less pleasant to discuss with) but I actually enjoy it. My ego is huge, it doesn't affect me at all. Fuck, I'm even asking for more. Clearly, I am, cause I'm pretty sure you won't considerate my suggestion about being contructive and you'll come back with sharp teeth...proving that I'm right on this last point.

Before to operate great changes in this world, you have to do it in you and it's going to be the hardest part. It's like stopping to smoke cigarettes. It's easy as fuck, but if you decide it won't, it's going to be a real nightmare. You can have a lot more control over your behaviors than you think. We are creators, never forget this. We'll never be perfect but at least we can try. Not even trying is fooling yourself.

You type too fuckin much to say a whole lot of nothing.

[pathwriter]

And yours is flawed because you have no regards to our state of technology. Put aside our moneraty system for a ressources based system, and a lot of things that I'm saying becomes a lot more possible.

Are you high? Our system is a resources-based system. Money is a method of keeping score, everyone with half a brain knows that it has no intrinsic value (well, ink, paper, and cotton are technically worth something, but not much). By the sounds of it, you have some kind of moronic mashup of communist property theory and barter in mind.

You want to know what we would have to do in order for every human being to enjoy the lifestyle of the middle class in the first world? Kill about 4 billion people. I'd produce the science on it, but you're really not interested. If we eradicate Africa, South America, and most of Asia, we'll have enough land and resources to let the human race live in luxury. Of course, we won't have many people to produce that luxury, but apparently "technology" will make that happen. I mean, sure, Toyota has tried to replace human engineering in the car manufacturing industry and it has failed on a massive level, but if we all clap our hands and believe, then suddenly human beings will never have to work again except that the Jewish banking conspiracy is interfering.

Fucking moron. It's shocking you've survived three decades without learning much.

[Seigrith]

Why the fuck does the entirety of this thread suddenly make me feel like Matt Foley?

[firefeng]

Keys, that old saying "fight fire with fire" comes to mind, but your pallid ash habits nary a single, living ember, so instead we'll go with the lesser known variant, "drown shit with shit", and mine smells better than yours.

You definetly mix your logic with what you want to be genuinely logical. I'm not saying, and never was, that mine was flawless but you guys are constantly saying yours are. I've seen it in countless threads on this forum. A lot of persons here have been the victims of your own biased logic, bullying people with what you think is true but it's nothing more than this...what you think is true, not the truth. If you want the truth, or at least be close enough to it to call it this way, you need to apply a scientific examination to the problem, not just throw your feelings or your narrow perceptions of the world at it. I'll ask this question again: do you want to be constructive or you want to be the absolute self-proclaimed truth without even trying to push the discussion further?

Our problem may very well be that we wield what we believe to be true, not the Truth. Your problem is that what you think is true is quite literally not the truth. Moreover, like a street-wandering peddler of cheap, meaningless curios, you crap your kitsch non compos mentis contraptions into this barren avenue of thought and are bedazzled by your own steaming dung's decorative prowess. You clothe slander, half-truths, and outright lies with bitter, trifling ruminations that exhibit all the vapid epiphanies of a self-denying egomaniac desperately proselytizing those that threaten his fragile grasp of reality. You appeal to logic while gnashing your teeth at its depravity of your vile notions of compassion; you spit truth between your cracked, pale lips because you find it distasteful; you exult the idea of science while refraining from shouldering its inconvenient burdens.

You are an insect with a keyboard. Do you want to be constructive, or do you want to point fingers at the cracks in your repugnant facsimile of our world because you find a mirror too frighteningly real?

We're not ants, dogs or plants. We are animals able to transform their environments. Look around you, our creations are everywhere. So, we can change almost everything in our environements but we cannot change ourselve? Really?You can't be serious. Life has changed you many times so far and will continue to do so. The roads you'll choose will make you a different person years after years, as long as you're willing and not affraid to explore new avenues. You're over-minimizing the subject and in all honesty, I'm not surprised at all. I'll give you a point you didn't dare to give me though, in such short texts, it's impossible to approach these issues with meticulous treatments. If you were intellectually honest about it, you'd realise it instead of jumping to the conclusions as fast as a cocaine addict want his next dose. If you're not narrow minded, ask me questions about my points instead of calling me names like a fucking kid. It's the way mature and self-confident adults are supposed to behave if they want to solve problems.

Mature and self-confident adults understand that actions have generally appropriate reactions; your reception here derives solely from the philosophical puerility you engender. It's not surprising, in the least, that a closeted egotist such as yourself demands respect for what amounts to a random concatenation of unjustified ideals, a Russian Roulette of mild manifestos. You're not seeking a mature response, you're looking for an excuse to spin the cylinder one more time in the vain hope that a revelation will eventually strike true and explode in your skull. Those seeking truth require not the chitinous stroking of like-minded insects to shore up the strength of their ideas; we crush bugs that scurry about our feet with their middling meddling, silencing the garbled, alien badinage they chitter-chatter at one another under the pretense of philosophy.

America is not the world, it's just the place where you live. In our era, with the current state of technology, we have relations with all the human beings of this planet and no matter if you like it or not, our actions creates reactions. Some planes have been thrown at some of your towers in 2001, you remember? Yeah I know, it would be impossible to forget it. Did you ask yourself why some guys decided that you deserved it or you're so full of yourself that you really think your country did nothing to bring it on you? Don't tell me that they did it cause they hate your freedom and democracy liked Bush like to say...please don't. We abused several countries and as a reaction, they want revenge. Was it right? Fuck no! What you did to them was not right either and if you look at the numbers of victims on both sides, I'm almost tempted to say it was well deserved but it'd be very wrong to say such a thing. It's not going to solve anything to let myself being consumed with hatred, it will only blind me. If you, americans, could try to put your fucking patriotism aside for few minutes, you'd see a whole different world. We can't blame it only on it though, your medias are doing a hell of a job to keep you biased at the highest level. The more you're blind, the more you're biaised, it's a proportional thing. You ever realised how love makes someone blind? It's the same process. You're not going to see anything else until you become a little less in love with the idealogy you cherished. Well, before you tell me that mine could makes me blind too, I'll tell you that few years ago, I was thinking the same way than you on many issues. My logic is in evolution, but I doubt, for now, that yours is...and it's why I'm here, using a lot of my time, explaining this stuff on an american board. It's a kind of suicide (you guys are agressive as fuck and imo, the less pleasant to discuss with) but I actually enjoy it. My ego is huge, it doesn't affect me at all. Fuck, I'm even asking for more. Clearly, I am, cause I'm pretty sure you won't considerate my suggestion about being contructive and you'll come back with sharp teeth...proving that I'm right on this last point.

Your logic hasn't evolved past the point of protocells. Even Marx was eukaryotic bacteria by your age. Suicide would certainly save you a life of hardship and ignorance. Your reference of Sept. 11th only cements this; put a different way, WHO FUCKING CARES? You claim it's impossible to approach this "issue" meticulously, this heretofore undefined "issue" that you use as an excuse to regurgitate wholesale the grand sum of your inferior socialized education, when in fact you quite honestly should claim that it's impossible for you to do so, because you want too greatly to have big, nebulous, incredible ideas, and to affect the world so your life is not as empty as your pathetic philosophy has trained you to believe, but you don't want to put forth the effort to actually think.

Man may have reached for God in the Sistine Chapel, but out here in the real world you haven't even reached Man yet. I truly pity you.

Before to operate great changes in this world, you have to do it in you and it's going to be the hardest part. It's like stopping to smoke cigarettes. It's easy as fuck, but if you decide it won't, it's going to be a real nightmare. You can have a lot more control over your behaviors than you think. We are creators, never forget this. We'll never be perfect but at least we can try. Not even trying is fooling yourself.

Historically, those most selflessly devoted to strangers were those whose compassion was unfettered by real human relationships, thus allowing for its vitiation without dire psychological effects. It's painful to watch your twitching, jilting lurches at human interaction. Maybe you should spend less time trying to convince the uneducated heathens of the internet of your sanctimonious humility and more time being a human fucking being without the impossible shackles of True Selflessness.

You are no Messiah. You are a bug with a pamphlet for a brain. Insect. Refuse. Trash.

[Takune]

Looks like someone read himself some Kafka over the weekend. Did you have the same presumption and chose to address all the counterpoints to his book report in the same metaphorical format?

[firefeng]

I've never read Kafka.

[pathwriter]

I've never read Kafka but I've violated several orifices of his preserved cadaver.

Fixed that for you.

[firefeng]

I still don't get it, even after googling Kafka; is this in reference to his "vermin" in The Metamorphosis being somehow related to my hard-on for calling lesser people "insects"?