[`MbS`]

Stupid response I'd say. That's seriously so dumb it's facepalm-worthy, just thought I'd point it out. gonna go play Valkyria Chronicles for a bit now.

If you replaced your belt and a few other things you'd do even more damage against defenseless mobs, and the comparison against ebow would clearly put you in advantage! blahbjfghgh

[pathwriter]

Inflated numbers are inflated, it just ruins comparisons, especially on monsters whose damage mechanics are not fully investigated.

Mostly, though, the thing about Fay Gendawa (and regular Gendawa and Selene's Bow and Cobra Bow) is that they have a longer Delay than Eurytos'/Vali's Bow. It has always been the sum combination of 490 Delay, 3 STR, 3 AGI, lol2 Ranged Accuracy, and 23 Ranged Attack that has won the day. The difference between that weapon and other viable alternatives is hardly game-breaking, though, but Eurytos'/Vali's Bow shines as much in its standard shooting phase as in its WS/pseudo-WS phase (referring to Barrage in the latter case).

[Imola]

I have actually just got Buc's belt two days ago.

But this bow with the lucky Augments I've recieved is the best I've yet to get. I've also gotten a -8% Delay +17 r.attack, with +11 WS accuracy. Didn't take it, was trying to get the max augments of the 3 different possible combinations e.i +5 STR, + 19 r. Attack, + 4% WS dmg.

It's a lot better than Selene's Bow Except during New moon phase, and Selene's R. Attack is at +20. . But besides that phase Fay Gendawa rules.

I was trying to compare with another ranger in my LS that carries V/Bow Around but it's really hard to compare due to difference in Armor, and merits. I was keeping in par as RNG/NIN while he was RNG/WAR with a difference of 200-350dmg with zerk/cry on Sidewinder WS. But if you really think WSing a Greater Colibri will answer the need for proof and probably be more "palm worthy" then I'll go ahead and do one later.

[pathwriter]

Yeah, how about you parse. Apparently your blissful little head missed the Delay issue involved here. That comment about "keeping in par" sounds a lot like "I eyeballed this and hoped that Sidewinder damage was indicative of the rest of the damage we were doing."

[Imola]

Hmm don't get me wrong here buddy, my TP gear is different from my WS gear. Not a lot of rangers swap TP gears vs WS gears, they usually have Osode/wyrm/maat's cap full time.

Apparently I see a lot of talking here pathwriter lets see some of your SS> and I'll compare mine with your testing.

[1]

This is lovely and all but there are certain mobs and moments were big numbers aren't impressive. Here I will list a few:

Zerk'd Dhalmels.
Zerk'd Rams.
Boreal Hound.
Qutrub (all types)
'Hmpede (open mouth)
Mandies in ACP
Moogles in "A Moogle Kupo'de'tat" finale.
Limbus Clots etc.
Fafnir/Aspi/Behemoth from Nyzul ( I love those 2k Fafnir screenies of just the log never the mob and location ).



However, you do have a nice bow. It is able to put out a bigger spike number then Ebow, which is nothing new... Shigeto+1 comes to mind. The fact is on any parse as mentioned already, E/Vbow due to the 490 delay, (plus the difference of 1 on the base dmg) will put it ahead. By the time you fired 2 shots, e/vbow would be around its 4th..... its like the E/V bow vs Hellfire+1 argument all over again.

[Hoshiku]

rangers don't swap gear for tp and ws? x.X maybe this is true on your server but on asura i know of very few rangers who don't have a different builds for tp ws barrage etc... at least as far as the good rangers on asura go <.<;;;

[`MbS`]

who the hell doesn't swap gear for WS? <__________________<

[pathwriter]

I full-time Flame Gorget. What the hell is this "gear-switching" you're talking about?

[Calcifer]

Stupid response I'd say. That's seriously so dumb it's facepalm-worthy, just thought I'd point it out. gonna go play Valkyria Chronicles for a bit now.

Thats what i was getting at. Forgot its a bit hard to detect sarcasm

[Imola]

I full-time Flame Gorget. What the hell is this "gear-switching" you're talking about?

I don't want to really waste time here explaining why Rangers swap gears but here's a short break down.

As for most events, and today's rangers for maximum dmg we tend to sub warrior for the STR boost, and JA boost from Zerk/warcry.
Experiencing how to play ranger correctly from the playtime im sure most have learned that we tend to take hate a lot from our output dmg.

So for tp build I tend to use all most gears that has "snapshot/rapidshot" effect to quicken the delay, and gain tp faster. Not only this few armors has the combo with -enmity.
So for those of you that doesn't understand why this is beneficial it helps you out from being an MP sponge, and helps the tank from not loosing hate, at the same time getting faster tp.

Once you get enough tp for you to be able to WS, you swap gears <-- this is where that happens. To full STR/AGI build for Sidewinders , or full AGI for those marksmanships of maximum output dmg on WS modifiers.

Swap back to regulat tp/-enmity build and do it again.

Hope this ranger gear 101 swapping helps you become a better ranger. Thanks for reading.

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Of course most rangers just want to put maximum output dmg all the time to be e-peens. But remember a dead ranger doesn't do dmg.

[pathwriter]

Jesus fuck, I didn't think I'd need to indicate massive sarcasm, but I guess you're so consumed by your own ignorance that you missed it.

[evilpaul]

lolz

[Imola]

Jesus fuck, I didn't think I'd need to indicate massive sarcasm, but I guess you're so consumed by your own ignorance that you missed it.

really? well hope you learned something for today I guess you yourself can't take sarcasm either, ignorance is bliss~

[Hoshiku]

really? well hope you learned something for today I guess you yourself can't take sarcasm either, ignorance is bliss~

pot, kettle, black?

[`MbS`]

You sir/miss, are now a standard for idiocy. I see a little Ark in you.

@Calcifer: I know, was just using your post to start figured you were being sarcastic

[jaregue]

i just got str+5 rattk+16 wsdmg+4%
idk how that compares to ebow, so if someone wants to do the math then feel free

i don't have ebow and don't really plan to buy it, so i'll prolly use this over sbow till vbow decides to join my inventory

also have wsdmg+2% on expansion hat, if that could help boost this bow a bit higher and such.

[Imola]

i just got str+5 rattk+16 wsdmg+4%
idk how that compares to ebow, so if someone wants to do the math then feel free

i don't have ebow and don't really plan to buy it, so i'll prolly use this over sbow till vbow decides to join my inventory

also have wsdmg+2% on expansion hat, if that could help boost this bow a bit higher and such.

That's hot DUDE congratulations. I've gone through 3 augments already I still haven't found a good one since my first one.

Okay here you go for all that that ask for "Proof", or "Palm Worthy" replies.

I joined a merit pt today from an ls member since I haven't merited in a while too busy. Anywho we went to Greater Colibri camp in BT.
PT setup - 2x SAM/NIN, 2x BRD/NIN, RDM/WHM, and they told me to come RNG/NIN.

Yeah dont laugh my Armors setup was this to test out the DMG boost with Anwig Salade +4 STR +15 WS Accuracy, +4 AGI +2% DMG along with Fay Gendawa +3 STR, + 14r.attack, +3% WS dmg.

I used Scorpion arrows for Merits (its cheaper), only use Demons for events hehe..

My WS Armor Setup: with the +5% WS DMG
Head: Anwig Salade
Body: Kirin Osode
Legs: Scouts Braccae
Main: Vulcan Staff
Sub: Axe Grip
Waist: Buc Belt
Feet: Hachiryu Sune-Ate
Range: Fay Gendawa
Ammo: lolscorpion
Neck: Chiv Chain
Ring1: Flame Ring
Ring2: Ragas Ring
Back: Amemit Mantle +1
Food: Pot-au-fue

With NIN sub my base STR is 72+46
AGI 47+41.

4 Songs the brd played was 2x Minuet, 2x March. Since one of the SAMS wanted Madrigal she just Painissmo me the Minuet.

Here's the dmg without Anwig Salade everything is the same I subbed in Optical Hat (Sold Wyrm Helm): As you can see I was averaging 1800WS SW



With Anwig Salade I was averaging 2000WS




So it's a pretty bug boost 200dmg with the head piece which is not bad at all considering there was no warcry buff's since both other DD's were /nin. I was /nin myself so no added STR boost, and JA's (zerg/cry), and on top of it I was just using scorpion arrows. Minded I did eat food, but Pot-au-feus are pretty cheap in my server 8-7k a stack. So there ya GO.. oh btw I never had prelude once, and I only missed a sidewinder once on a 30k Merit PT. There's your proof.

Ninja Edit: The testing is probably more accurate if I had Wyrm Helm since O-Hat has no added STR mod, or AGI. Or if you were to use the +5 r.attack on the added augment for Anwig Salade.

P.S. Merit wise I have 5/5 STR, 3 on Archery, just made it 4 few minutes ago from the merit pt. I have to merit down marksmanship since that was at 4 merits. everytime I add a merit on Archery have to bring down a merif of maks since I used to be a marksmanship whore. Bullets just got too expensive for me >.> and I had E-bow too. Working on capping Snapshot, and rapidshot have few merit on them, but I maxed out my MNK first so and I hate meriting..

[pathwriter]

Proof of what, exactly? That "Weapon Skill Damage +X%" increases the damage your Sidewinder does? Shocking, we'd never have guessed that. In the meantime, it's not proof that Fay Gendawa trumps Eurytos'/Vali's Bow because of that troublesome little thing called the "TP phase."

Your screenshots do raise an interesting question in my mind. For those who did not get a Ranger Wardecors, would the occasional Rapid Shot proc fundamentally result in increased damage over a significant period of time such that Scout's Jerkin would actually perform better (notably by cutting the time needed to hit 100%+ TP) than something that boosts damage output like Kirin's Osode? I'm going to say that I doubt it, since a substantial portion of a good Ranger's damage comes from their normal shots. Of course, I have a Mirke Wardecors, so it's not even remotely a relevant question for me.

[Greeber]

Proof of what, exactly? That "Weapon Skill Damage +X%" increases the damage your Sidewinder does? Shocking, we'd never have guessed that. In the meantime, it's not proof that Fay Gendawa trumps Eurytos'/Vali's Bow because of that troublesome little thing called the "TP phase."

Your screenshots do raise an interesting question in my mind. For those who did not get a Ranger Wardecors, would the occasional Rapid Shot proc fundamentally result in increased damage over a significant period of time such that Scout's Jerkin would actually perform better (notably by cutting the time needed to hit 100%+ TP) than something that boosts damage output like Kirin's Osode? I'm going to say that I doubt it, since a substantial portion of a good Ranger's damage comes from their normal shots. Of course, I have a Mirke Wardecors, so it's not even remotely a relevant question for me.

This is y i use the scouts body with 5/5 rapid merits and rng hat for tp. assuming that the +5 rapid shot on the body = 5% (i never really looked into it), and u get 1% from af hat (not sure if its one but ive read ppl say its 1%) and 5% from merits that would be about 11% (no clue what the base on it is from the JA, assuming 10%?) making a total of about 21% chance for it to activate. Imo its much like stacking Double attack/tripple attack gear/merits, anything to get u to 100% tp faster for that next slugwinder .