[Imola]

"Hay gaiz i did a lot of damage to mobs with no defenses whatsoever!!!!"

Provide damage screenshots on a regular mob, even Greater Colibri are sufficient, but using those mobs is no different than referring to Boreal Hound.

Weren't you the one that started all this "provide screenshots." Your just pathetic now. This all started out by me posting SS of me doing 6.6k+ on Henchman moogles, just to show Stacking WS% DMG can do a great deal on end results. Even though they may be defenseless mob and dmg are stacked almost x4 on that BC fight, you can still do the math... so I provide you with your "Sufficient SS" with greater colibri.. IDK man I really think your just here to irritate people.

Instead of saying it's all worthless, there's your base. Now go experiment go to a merit PT, use scorpion arrows, have the bard play 2x Minuet on you, sub nin, eat Pot-ae-feu (use your Selene's/e/v/bow with your +10 Accuracy +5 r.attack Anwig Salade and compare the output dmg. See how your testing goes and post screenshots.. Cuz to me sounds like your all just talk and not much walk buddy.. I'm not a great talker, but I can provide and show you that what I do works, and works good.

Actually you know what don't worry about it, I'm done arguing with someone like you there's really no point. Been playing ranger way too long, and to be arguing with someone whos all talk and just what gotten ranger to 75?? Good luck on your ranger.

[Hoshiku]

the reason he's asking you to parse is because we would like to know IF this bow would ever be worth using over ebow. From your screenshots I would say no, seeing as I've seen ebow put out much bigger numbers on greater colibri, but that could be because of your gear or the scorpion arrows. We're not interested in 'palm worthy damage', we're interested in a viable way to compare the current weapons available for ranger. i'm sure someone else will get lucky with augments at some point and then they can post a comparison since you're not interested in doing so.

[pathwriter]

No, my Ranger isn't even 75 at this point. Nor does it need to be.

Yes, you showed that Fay Gendawa makes damage. Truly, this a revelation to rock the ages. It may take me several picoseconds to recover from the shock of learning this news. With slightly higher base damage, roughly equivalent STR and Ranged Attack, and a bonus to weaponskill damage, there was never any doubt that Fay Gendawa could put out solid numbers. My original objection has been met, however, you provided screenshots of what damage you're doing on mobs with normal defense stats.

Meanwhile, however, you've failed to actually meet the criterion of the topic, which is strange since you have actually taken the time to point out what the criterion is: comparing Fay Gendawa to Vali's Bow and Selene's Bow. Somewhere along the line you got it into your head that per-hit damage and TP are irrelevant, at least that's how your assertions read. Since you apparently lack either Vali's Bow or Selene's Bow, your data is not particularly useful at all. In order to compare, one needs to eliminate as many variables as possible, such as gear differences. I don't even have to stretch the imagination to know that I'll do more damage during the TP phase on my Ranger at 75 than you will because I can fire faster and hit harder (and I use real ammo). At issue is whether your 3% WS damage augment would provide an edge over my superior TP gain and normal shot damage.

I'd be interested to know what you're TP'ing in.

If all you do with your Ranger is 30 second zergs, then your weapon is probably going to win out. Since you clearly merit on Ranger, chances seem good that my weapon will win. I'd be interested to know that with certainty, but that's not feasible until someone with identical gear to yours, barring a different bow, offers to parse against you.

And whenever I actually have the time to finish Kupo d'Etat, I'm making it a weaponskill hat, anyhow, since I cannot mix melee and ranged augments effectively for TP phase.

[Imola]

Okay that's a better response. Instead of always attacking you actually asked for something feasible and I can give you that information once I get back home. I do have Selene's bow, and yes I did forget to bring it to that merit exp I was rushing, and taught of taking SS during the merit.

I don't usually play ranger on merits, I usually play my MNK, hence the "real ammo" comment yeah I'm cheap on Ranger when it's just merits so what. I can go and use Kabura Arrows, use CP arrow for Unlimited Shot WS, Sub war and yield further greater results in dmg, but i was already taking too much hate as it is and I'm broke atm.

FYI my tp gear is

Head: Hunters beret +1
Body: Scouts Jerkin
Neck: Chiv Chain
Belt: Buccuneers Belt
Legs: Scouters Braccae
Feet: Scouters Socks
Hands: Crimson Finger Gauntlet.
Rings: Flame/Rajas
Back: Amemit +1
Main: Vulcan Sub: Axe Strap
Earing: Triumph +1/Supanomimi

But give me time to to get a Comparison with Selene's bow and Fay Gendawa bow.

[DoA]

Still absolutely pathetic & hilarious 75 RNG are trying to justify Scorpion Arrows.

Obow/Dst > Ebow/Demon kthnx, you keep your gimp damage away from me any my events.

lolchivchain, I laugh so hard every time I see a RNG wearing one of these. It's always the bow the rangers who stand back and /ra too. HAHA


Ill say it again, I can see why Ranger gets no invites with the way people play now. Wonder why my Ranger has no shortage of invites to meripo or any event?

[Imola]

Still absolutely pathetic & hilarious 75 RNG are trying to justify Scorpion Arrows.

Obow/Dst > Ebow/Demon kthnx, you keep your gimp damage away from me any my events.

lolchivchain, I laugh so hard every time I see a RNG wearing one of these. It's always the bow the rangers who stand back and /ra too. HAHA


Ill say it again, I can see why Ranger gets no invites with the way people play now. Wonder why my Ranger has no shortage of invites to meripo or any event?

WTF are you talking about? You make no sense. I bet my ranger gets more invite to merit than you would as a 75 brd lfp.. anywho lol@obow>>>>

My gimp scorpion arrows PWN's your lolobow any day.. i don't even have to parse or screenshot that one..

[Matsuo]

lolchivchain, I laugh so hard every time I see a RNG wearing one of these. It's always the bow the rangers who stand back and /ra too. HAHA

Agree with lolchivchain, but wtf... not all RNG's are rocking a Kclub. lol Then again, some of us don't merit on RNG at all, so eh.

WTF are you talking about? You make no sense. I bet my ranger gets more invite to merit than you would as a 75 brd lfp.. anywho lol@obow>>>>

Jesus you're a moron... go away please.

My gimp scorpion arrows PWN's your lolobow any day.. i don't even have to parse or screenshot that one..

Um... no. See above please.

[Calcifer]

FYI my tp gear is

Head: Hunters beret +1
Body: Scouts Jerkin
Neck: Chiv Chain
Belt: Buccuneers Belt
Legs: Scouters Braccae
Feet: Scouters Socks
Hands: Crimson Finger Gauntlet.
Rings: Flame/Rajas
Back: Amemit +1
Main: Vulcan Sub: Axe Strap
Earing: Triumph +1/Supanomimi

But give me time to to get a Comparison with Selene's bow and Fay Gendawa bow.

Lawl

[DoA]

My gimp scorpion arrows PWN's your lolobow any day.. i don't even have to parse or screenshot that one..

Do we need really need to relive this week after week?

[Lambtor]

i'm amazed some long time RNG here still have things to merit. i'm also amazed at how some people don't believe o-bow is one of the best weapons you can get when you're not in a zerg situation.

[HNM]

Scout's jerkin sucks; to the guy who's "stacking" rapid shot: so what. Rapid shot is linear, +5 from 0 is just as good as +5 when you're at +20 rapid shot(don't nitpick with retarded "diminishing results" please). I swear once people started saying to stack haste because it gets exponentially better the more you have on people have been using the same fucking excuse for double attack, triple attack, str, atk, rapid shot. It's just stupid, stop it.

And to the fay vs ebow. Screenshots? Get out. Parses wouldn't prove anything to me either because nobody in here /ra's perfectly and everybody would have a different amount of ranged attacks than everybody else if we all parsed eachother.

Although that may be the case, and you wont take full advantage of either bows firing exactly when you can, YOU WILL FIRE 6% FASTER WITH EBOW.

I don't even see a comparison available to ebow with fay. What, 1dmg, 2str, +4% ws damage vs 6% more shots(6% more WSs), 3agi, 4ratk, and 2racc? Seriously?

The only merit this bow has is if you can't get a 5hit or 6hit with vali's. The latter being really easy, so no excuse for not having that.

Edit: A bit wrong here, Ebow takes 4.45 sec to fire, plus the ~2.8 seconds on delay after firing, where as fay takes 4.91 seconds to fire with the ~2.8 afterwards. 6% faster shooting with ebow over fay. Previously I had down 10%. Best possible augment on WS dmg+ is also 5%.

[Greeber]

Scout's jerkin sucks; to the guy who's "stacking" rapid shot: so what. Rapid shot is linear, +5 from 0 is just as good as +5 when you're at +20 rapid shot(don't nitpick with retarded "diminishing results" please). I swear once people started saying to stack haste because it gets exponentially better the more you have on people have been using the same fucking excuse for double attack, triple attack, str, atk, rapid shot. It's just stupid, stop it.
And to the fay vs ebow. Screenshots? Get out. Parses wouldn't prove anything to me either because nobody in here /ra's perfectly and everybody would have a different amount of ranged attacks than everybody else if we all parsed eachother.

Although that may be the case, and you wont take full advantage of either bows firing exactly when you can, YOU WILL FIRE 6% FASTER WITH EBOW.

I don't even see a comparison available to ebow with fay. What, 1dmg, 2str, +4% ws damage vs 6% more shots(6% more WSs), 3agi, 4ratk, and 2racc? Seriously?

The only merit this bow has is if you can't get a 5hit or 6hit with vali's. The latter being really easy, so no excuse for not having that.

Edit: A bit wrong here, Ebow takes 4.45 sec to fire, plus the ~2.8 seconds on delay after firing, where as fay takes 4.91 seconds to fire with the ~2.8 afterwards. 6% faster shooting with ebow over fay. Previously I had down 10%. Best possible augment on WS dmg+ is also 5%.

If rapid shot was linear, y in the merit catagory its says that by raising rapid shot it is raised by 1%?

So then what do u suggest, disreguarding a skill that can potentialy get aprox 17% tp faster per shot for equiping what exactly if u dont have the ACP body for rng? Osode for +5 rng att and acc? archers jupon for the extra rng att and str for the loss of 10 acc? hunters jerkin for the 10 extra acc? And as for AF+1 head it should already be equiped in case u dont have a barbut or made a TP head from moogle expansion. But according to u equiping any of those will have "diminishing results".

Have u even tried a rapid shot set up? or are u just a sheep that follows everyone else? If rapid shot is so useless in your opinion y merit it to 5/5? cause theres nothing better? if thats your reasoning then thats alot of xp to throw into something that produces "diminishing results". As a matter of fact if all of those job traits u listed produce "diminishing results" y are they even merit catigorys? Obviously a war with 25% DA will parse lower then a war with 15% DA.

My main reason for "stacking rapid shot" is because there is nothing better for the slot imo. I dont have ACP body because i got it for pld (which im thinking about dumping to get a mirke). Most rngs already have their rapidshot merited, they already tp in af/af+1 cause theres nothing better (unless u make a tp moogle headpiece or havea barbut). so y not add the body for +5. What exactly dose it hurt by equiping it? and please if ur going to respond, brind your own experience...not someone elses

[Hoshiku]

the reason rapid shot sucks is because it's not constant. if scout's jerkin gave snapshot i might be more enthusiastic about wearing it. assuming you've built a better bot and always fire at the exact moment you are able to again rapid shot might be a good trait to stack, but if you're a career ranger ACP body is a much better choice.

[Greeber]

the reason rapid shot sucks is because it's not constant. if scout's jerkin gave snapshot i might be more enthusiastic about wearing it. assuming you've built a better bot and always fire at the exact moment you are able to again rapid shot might be a good trait to stack, but if you're a career ranger ACP body is a much better choice.

i whole heartedly agree with u about the acp body being better, it is hands down a better body. It may not be a constant but its the same factor as wars stacking DA gear. They do it in the chance it will proc so they get to 100% tp faster. Yes rapid shot is not nearly as reliable as double attack but rapid shot is better then nothing so y not go with it if u dont have the ACP body.

I am a career rng but was pushed into being my linkshells main pld for a long time so getting the neuvo at the time seemed better since i was 95% of the time pld. now that we have some new plds im ready to chuck neuvo and build my mirke.

[pathwriter]

I really don't know any Warriors that stack Double Attack. Brutal Earring is a given for melee simply because choices for earrings are generally always lackluster (3 Accuracy, 3 STR, 6 Attack... they're not bad, but they don't compare to half of Warrior's native Double Attack trait). Otherwise, Pole Strap can be supplanted by Rose Strap with no problems whatsoever or Sword Strap if it doesn't screw up a 6-hit build. Ares' Flanchard and Warrior's Cuisses are just weaponskill pieces and Fighter's Calligae should not be worn.

If I had to choose between Scout's Jerkin and Hunter's Jerkin, I'd rather just adjust my build to accommodate the 10 Ranged Accuracy on Hunter's Jerkin (or 5 Ranged Accuracy via AGI from Kirin's Osode) than try to justify a Rapid Shot proc. It's almost but not quite like building for Ikishoten on Samurai. You can do it, but most people prefer consistency. If I really wanted to gamble with my DPS, I imagine I'd play Corsair.

[Hoshiku]

yeah it's kind of a bummer that you have to pick one item or do the final fight on a daily basis if you want to gear more than one job from these mini-expansions but i guess in SE's eyes that's a great thing =/

[HNM]

Like before ACP came out, osode should never leave your body.

And hey, I said NOT to use that retarded fucking "diminishing results" bullshit because it's just the effect something has when you add x to more x. That was more for if some nitpicking bastard comes out of the woodworks to try and fuck this over, but good job being that person.

The increase in number of attacks from 0 to 5% DA is 1.05/1=1.05 or 5% more. The increase from 5% to 10% DA is 1.10/1.05=1.048 or about 4.8% more. That's what I was talking about.

No, it isn't relevant. And you shouldn't have brought it up.

If rapid shot was linear, y in the merit catagory its says that by raising rapid shot it is raised by 1%?

What is this I don't even

Have u even tried a rapid shot set up? or are u just a sheep that follows everyone else? If rapid shot is so useless in your opinion y merit it to 5/5? cause theres nothing better?

First of all, like I said:LINEAR. Adding +5 rapid shot when already at 5% IS THE SAME THING AS JUST ADDING +5 WHEN YOU'RE AT 0%.

No, you merit rapid shot to 5/5 because that's the best in that category, seriously focus here please, we're talking about scout's jerkin here and not rapid shot.

What exactly dose it hurt by equiping it? and please if ur going to respond, brind your own experience...not someone elses

What is this. This is a game built around math, not experience. Sorry, even though as much as you'd like to this isn't real life and it doesn't boil down to experiences. I've never used scout's because I know it's inferior.

I mean.. come on, with velocity shot up and full snapshot merits your firing rate is less than .1 second over the time it takes to reload/idle time before your next shot. What you think, probably, is that rapid shot gives you 100% ranged attack haste every time it activates. It doesn't, with snapshot and velocity shot you're at ~50%. And because it doesn't actually null your fire time you're looking at less. And finally, because it works like conserve mp(n/16*delay) it fucking sucks.

Use osode, should have one for ws anyway. If not, use af. Scout's is for looks.

[DoA]

The only time I found Scout's useful is in low man situations when I'm trying to keep hate off myself in a max -Enm build.

Rapid Shot build can be fun, but it is a crap shoot on your DoT.

Yes Rapid Shot is Linear~~

There is a -8% Delay Augment also possible. That's what I am after coupled with WSDMG & STR or Ratck . If nothing it else it will replace my Sbow. Would give me a reason to take out a bow after all these years.


http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-n52te-Tournam...cp_ob_e_title_0

I use the Tournament Edition and love it. They do also have a cheaper version.

Can we please stop saying it's impossible to fire you /ra at exactly the right time. I've been preaching this controller for like 3 years now lol....

[HNM]

What exactly does that controller do?

Searched ffxi and nothing so I assume it's some kind of macro..

If that's the case, how does it account for rapid shot for those times it does proc? I mean, the JT isn't useless. Does it just spam /ra? Because that adds delay onto your next shot; if you /ra, then hit /ra again too late it'll give you the unable message and tag on extra time. I don't know how to fire quickly without some hacking.

[DoA]

What exactly does that controller do?

Advanced programmable macros

Because that adds delay onto your next shot

If you can prove to me that it adds to the delay then I will shutup. I don't really remember this from VZX's tests but it's been awhile since I read through the findings.

Otherwise I will prefer to stay with my Auto-Attack