[britneyffxi]

ok so ive read the numerous threads about COR dd. and im not trying to start a debate. but i have some pretty sick ws gear for my slugshot. i can usually land a 1k-1.1k slugshot in dynamis. possibly more now that im getting my Moogle de'Tat headpiece...

Anyways....ok so one of the main reasons Cors arnt "desired" as DD for any endgame. is the fact that they TP with joytop or mkris whatever. and its technically feeding the mob with tons of TP.

my questions is the new WoTg Cobra Unit Gear. could this solve this delema. especially with the -enmity.

i have yet to do tests cause i only have the gloves. (im missing the body and feet)

this is my desired TP setup cor/nin

main: joytoy/martial/steel
walmart turban(i find better tp gain witht his vs cobra head)
chivy chain/suppa/fenrir's earring
cobra unit harness/cobra mittens/rajas/echphoria
amemet+1/swift belt/enkidus subligar/cobra leggins

even without the harness and feet i build tp quite fast i get 100% tp in about 8 hits so far. and the xtra acc from all the gear ensures i can use meats instead of sushi for dynamis. (oh and YES i keep my rolls up at all times and can still DD well lol. Winning Streak does wonders lol)

anyone besides me go this route. im just sick and tired of cor/whm or cor/rdm for EG. i understand for HNMs cor is quite bad. i usually go blm for that.


input is greatly appreciated

[Dantaro]

Honestly, mobs die so fast in Dynamis/Limbus/etc and have so many people hitting them the extra TP from a COR is not going to be the deciding factor in if you can DD or not. Most of the time, CORs are asked to come /DNC or /Mage in something like Dynamis because they're being asked to go as BRD and supplement whoever the main cure for the party is. I run a small man shell with 14-18 people a run and you can bet your bottom dollar I ask my CORs to come /WHM. We don't need their extra damage, but we only have 2 RDMs and 1 WHM a run 90% of the time, so they'll need to be there to support.

The fact is that we, as CORs, are a hybrid support class. You need to play to the situation. In HNM you'll many times be asked to go /RDM for cures paired with QD. In parties you'll either go /DNC or /WAR 90% of the time. TP feed hasn't been an issue in FFXI for years, but having enough healing magic is an age old problem that has yet to be solved. We're support first and foremost, save the DDing for merits.

[Denmark]

even without the harness and feet i build tp quite fast i get 100% tp in about 8 hits so far.

There's no way in hell you TP in 8 hits using joy. Just by plugging the numbers for the gear you said your using ffxical gives me around 14 hits to reach 100% on melee swing so even if you mean 8 attack rounds you would still need 90% or greater double attack proc to make this statement even close to true.

[hideo]

(oh and YES i keep my rolls up at all times and can still DD well lol. Winning Streak does wonders lol)

/waits for it

[Corrderio]

WINNING STREAK IS FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!

Happy Hideo?

[britneyffxi]

There's no way in hell you TP in 8 hits using joy. Just by plugging the numbers for the gear you said your using ffxical gives me around 14 hits to reach 100% on melee swing so even if you mean 8 attack rounds you would still need 90% or greater double attack proc to make this statement even close to true.

yah fighter's roll is usually up i forgot to mention that.. since i usually do war sam sam cor brd rdm. and i said about 8 hits. depends on crit hits etc but i can assure u its below 14 hits. lemme put my flag up for meripo right now ill give u the exact number ^^ lol

[britneyffxi]

WINNING STREAK IS FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!

Happy Hideo?

winning streak isnt for losers dumbass.

i do 2/5 snake eye
2/5 fold
5/5 winning streak
1/5 loaded deck

winning streak is great for the meripos for 30k/hr xp ensuring u can keep evokers/scholars roll on a RDM and 2 rolls on DD's (or xp roll blah blah).

the fact of the matter is the longer u keep DD rolls on urself the more dmg ur outputting in meripos. there fore birds die quicker.

i an assure u my parties get good numbers. and with 5/5 winning streak it allows u to keek up rolls with 11's and lucky numbers up for approx 3 minutes..

oh wait lemme guess ur one of those ghetto COR's who rerolls everyone 1 minute lol

[britneyffxi]

Honestly, mobs die so fast in Dynamis/Limbus/etc and have so many people hitting them the extra TP from a COR is not going to be the deciding factor in if you can DD or not. Most of the time, CORs are asked to come /DNC or /Mage in something like Dynamis because they're being asked to go as BRD and supplement whoever the main cure for the party is. I run a small man shell with 14-18 people a run and you can bet your bottom dollar I ask my CORs to come /WHM. We don't need their extra damage, but we only have 2 RDMs and 1 WHM a run 90% of the time, so they'll need to be there to support.

The fact is that we, as CORs, are a hybrid support class. You need to play to the situation. In HNM you'll many times be asked to go /RDM for cures paired with QD. In parties you'll either go /DNC or /WAR 90% of the time. TP feed hasn't been an issue in FFXI for years, but having enough healing magic is an age old problem that has yet to be solved. We're support first and foremost, save the DDing for merits.

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see we in my LS have tons of mages. too many actually. lotting for rdm whma nd sch is ridiculous. we usually have 26ish people for city dynamis' for HNM like i said obviously even with 8/8 marksmanship merits. HNM no one wants cor on HNM. in fact i think most individuals who have cor have a job that can contribute more to HNM. i go BLM, sch, rng those jobs i can offer more than as COR. whether it be as DD or debuff etc...

im sorry but if an LS is depending on a COR/mage to provide healing support ur in trouble. low healing magic skill. low casting time. and the amazingly poweful cure3 isnt going to save u with byakko.

as for ur thought of it being a hyrbrid job class. i only go cor/dnc in xp parties if the RDM is too shitty and doesnt know how to conserve MP. mamool ja staging point. i dont accept party invites there period. its birds or no deal.

the whole idea behind COR/whm is reallyu JP people trying to turn a decent DD job into another BRD, or people who dont want to put the effort/gil into the job. i see tons of gimpy cor's through on a light staff trump gun twittle there thumps and throw a cure once in a while. cor's like that give other cor's a bad name. and are the reason why cor's have such a shitty reputation in the DD department.

with the addition of Mirke and Anwig Salade. Cor can pull some amazing numbers. ive seen several dd cor/nins on Bahamut. that bull out amazing numbers. that rip through nyzul isle with amazing speed.

[CptKOr]

I agree with one of the previous posts. that they die fast enough. that storetp isnt going to make or break a mob in dyna. i have similar setup to u. but switch feet for enkidus body i use Palhwan Body. trying to get barbarossa z's and experiment with those.. I wouldnt get Dusk set. they are expensive and the other stats dont contribute much. the Acc bonus on cobra gloves is nice for our low Sword Skill.

umm as far as COR being a support job. thats to be argued. if u want to be a support job. go level BRD. if ur trying to carry a light staff backup cure and cast buffs. level brd. SE gave u a gun. Marksmenship skill for a reason.

IF your in a BLM party in HNM event. then u should prolly sub /rdm for that. adding TP to sky gods is an issue there. since they dont die in under 1 minute like the average pink squissy bird in Bhaf Thickets.


i dont care if ur fighting birds or orcs in dyna sandy. YOU SHOULD be doing UR FULL POTENTIAL in ur job whatever it may be.

cors jobs:
1) keeping 3-4 rolls up
2) quickdraw assist/enhancement. (sleep, whatever enhancing paralyze slow grav etc..)
3) DD. quick draw shouldnt be used to DD. im sorry it should be used to enhances slow and paralyze. once slow and paralyze wear. mages need to recast and u need to re-QD.

If your ontop of the 1st two go ahead and DD. But u need to be keeping those rolls up. Ive seen a lot of Cor's that have problems doing this. this is part in lack to NO Merits in winning streak. u should at least put 1 into Winning Streak.

as far as 5 merits in Winning streak thats open to debate. i have 1 loaded deck. 2 Winning Streak 5 Fold 2 SE. i f

but fuck. im on Leviathan. i never see cor's use fold or snakeeye. lol most people level the job and never merit it.

[hideo]

WINNING STREAK IS FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!

Happy Hideo?

Yer no arkley!!!!!! /wrist XD

[Katchoo]

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see we in my LS have tons of mages. too many actually. lotting for rdm whma nd sch is ridiculous. we usually have 26ish people for city dynamis' for HNM like i said obviously even with 8/8 marksmanship merits. HNM no one wants cor on HNM. in fact i think most individuals who have cor have a job that can contribute more to HNM. i go BLM, sch, rng those jobs i can offer more than as COR. whether it be as DD or debuff etc...

im sorry but if an LS is depending on a COR/mage to provide healing support ur in trouble. low healing magic skill. low casting time. and the amazingly poweful cure3 isnt going to save u with byakko.

as for ur thought of it being a hyrbrid job class. i only go cor/dnc in xp parties if the RDM is too shitty and doesnt know how to conserve MP. mamool ja staging point. i dont accept party invites there period. its birds or no deal.

the whole idea behind COR/whm is reallyu JP people trying to turn a decent DD job into another BRD, or people who dont want to put the effort/gil into the job. i see tons of gimpy cor's through on a light staff trump gun twittle there thumps and throw a cure once in a while. cor's like that give other cor's a bad name. and are the reason why cor's have such a shitty reputation in the DD department.

with the addition of Mirke and Anwig Salade. Cor can pull some amazing numbers. ive seen several dd cor/nins on Bahamut. that bull out amazing numbers. that rip through nyzul isle with amazing speed.

Wow this is made of total win, i mean i agree with everything you just said here, i tip my hat to you sir the best COR of them all.

[Arkley]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

[Katchoo]

YAY ARKLEY

[Corrderio]

winning streak isnt for losers dumbass.

i do 2/5 snake eye
2/5 fold
5/5 winning streak
1/5 loaded deck

winning streak is great for the meripos for 30k/hr xp ensuring u can keep evokers/scholars roll on a RDM and 2 rolls on DD's (or xp roll blah blah).

the fact of the matter is the longer u keep DD rolls on urself the more dmg ur outputting in meripos. there fore birds die quicker.

i an assure u my parties get good numbers. and with 5/5 winning streak it allows u to keek up rolls with 11's and lucky numbers up for approx 3 minutes..

oh wait lemme guess ur one of those ghetto COR's who rerolls everyone 1 minute lol

You really can't detect sarcasim can you? Though it doesn't mater much since I consider Winning Streak fairly lulz worthy.

[Phlow]

Who in their right mind doesn't take Snake Eyes to 5...

Edit: Oh, and as for endgame COR, drop your LS and solo shit.

[Corrderio]

^That. 5/5 Snake eye = wet dream.

[Denmark]

3) DD. quick draw shouldnt be used to DD. im sorry it should be used to enhances slow and paralyze. once slow and paralyze wear. mages need to recast and u need to re-QD.

What is this I don't even

[Dantaro]

HNM no one wants cor on HNM. in fact i think most individuals who have cor have a job that can contribute more to HNM.

You're doing it wrong then. A good COR/RDM or COR/BLM in the BLM party, between buffs and QD, will easily provide more damage than another DD. Not to mention QD doesn't give TP, so your fear of feeding TP is quelled as well. Furthermore, on something like Tiamat or Khim, COR + BRD is a better combo for the tank party. BLU roll is a fantastic boost to MDB and can help reduce damage and total MP cost more than having a second BRD in would. Even then you can STILL sub RDM and QD every 50 seconds for non-TP feeding damage, since you seem so caught up on that. And look at that, you can STILL provide cures! You're right, COR clearly has no place in HNM.

im sorry but if an LS is depending on a COR/mage to provide healing support ur in trouble. low healing magic skill. low casting time. and the amazingly poweful cure3 isnt going to save u with byakko.

Fun fact: COR/RDM taru with 0 gear on has natural 105 healing magic skill and 59 MND, which comes out to 189 cure 3, just blow the 190 hard cap. Adding the 2 MND from Apollo's pushes it to 190. At that point, you have the same Cure 3s as a RDM without roundel. Between Evoker's and a refresh body, you should have plenty of MP. And you're seriously giving Byakko as an example? A sky god? What is this, 2004? Fine. Lets assume its Byakko. Normal melee parties for end game consist of a WHM or RDM, 4 DD, and a buffer (in this case, COR/RDM). This way you maintain the split of cures allowing any healer to more freely keep up all buffs and on top of -na spells. And you STILL get to deal damage with QD.

as for ur thought of it being a hyrbrid job class. i only go cor/dnc in xp parties if the RDM is too shitty and doesnt know how to conserve MP. mamool ja staging point. i dont accept party invites there period. its birds or no deal.

You don't seriously believe birds are the end-all merit camp right? Please tell me I'm being wooshed. Birds are good, no one will argue that, but they cap out much lower than MJSP and a few other camps in terms of max exp/hour.

the whole idea behind COR/whm is reallyu JP people trying to turn a decent DD job into another BRD, or people who dont want to put the effort/gil into the job. i see tons of gimpy cor's through on a light staff trump gun twittle there thumps and throw a cure once in a while. cor's like that give other cor's a bad name. and are the reason why cor's have such a shitty reputation in the DD department.

No, CORs have a shitty reputation as a DD because people try and push it off as another RNG. We're not, get over it. What we ARE is a versatile class who can keep up with DD classes in merit parties, but can provide powerful buffs and a strong magic based, non-TP feeding, debuff enhancing JA without giving up the roll of being a back line secondary healer in the process.

Are there times we can DD? Sure, I'm all for taking some shots at something when we have the people to make it a non-issue. But should we focus entirely on the DD side like you seem to think we should? No, that would be gimping ourselves by ignoring what many times is an essential roll for us to fill.

with the addition of Mirke and Anwig Salade. Cor can pull some amazing numbers. ive seen several dd cor/nins on Bahamut. that bull out amazing numbers. that rip through nyzul isle with amazing speed.

And fucking Christ, Nyzul? No, doing epeen damage in nyzul is like saying you broke 2k slug shots on G.Colibri: Its nice, but it doesn't matter at all. When you're doing 1k WSs to Lambton Worm or Kirin.

[hideo]

yyuuuhhh Im puttin 5/5 on Snake eye, thinking Fold too......just seems to me both those are worth more it then the other two. After the fix on Commodore's Frac, I don't feel I need to put a merit in the success rate of random deal. It just about works every time I use it now. If I have to use it, I have a Relic Frac macro'd in.

[britneyffxi]

You're doing it wrong then. A good COR/RDM or COR/BLM in the BLM party, between buffs and QD, will easily provide more damage than another DD. Not to mention QD doesn't give TP, so your fear of feeding TP is quelled as well. Furthermore, on something like Tiamat or Khim, COR + BRD is a better combo for the tank party. BLU roll is a fantastic boost to MDB and can help reduce damage and total MP cost more than having a second BRD in would. Even then you can STILL sub RDM and QD every 50 seconds for non-TP feeding damage, since you seem so caught up on that. And look at that, you can STILL provide cures! You're right, COR clearly has no place in HNM.

ok ok no COR will ever out parse me as RNG or BLM. if ur BLM's or RNG's are gettign outparsed their shit isnt capped or something isnt right.




Fun fact: COR/RDM taru with 0 gear on has natural 105 healing magic skill and 59 MND, which comes out to 189 cure 3, just blow the 190 hard cap. Adding the 2 MND from Apollo's pushes it to 190. At that point, you have the same Cure 3s as a RDM without roundel. Between Evoker's and a refresh body, you should have plenty of MP. And you're seriously giving Byakko as an example? A sky god? What is this, 2004? Fine. Lets assume its Byakko. Normal melee parties for end game consist of a WHM or RDM, 4 DD, and a buffer (in this case, COR/RDM). This way you maintain the split of cures allowing any healer to more freely keep up all buffs and on top of -na spells. And you STILL get to deal damage with QD.

most of us arnt taru. tarutaru were wipedout in the last ice age on Bahamut. And no. ur still not address the casting time and recast time of Cure. Cor/rdm or cor/whm is going to have shitty casting time compared to a regular mage. again u said u were in a small LS where u depending on Cor/mage. My ls doesnt. simple as that. we have steady supply of whm and rdm. in addition to a mage party to outside cure. usually made of SCH's and WHM's





You don't seriously believe birds are the end-all merit camp right? Please tell me I'm being wooshed. Birds are good, no one will argue that, but they cap out much lower than MJSP and a few other camps in terms of max exp/hour.


Ive done birds, ive done mamools, ive done imps. ive done fuck king ramps tomb back in the day. as far as capping out. ur crazy if u dont think the xp isnt great on birds with a COR because of the slashing from Joyeus and Piercing from sLUGSHOT. in addition to Corsair's roll. Middle Bird Camp for the win. and anyways im a corsair. i dont need to settle for a 2nd rate party. i can just say THANKS FOR THE OFFER, BUT I SHALL PASS.


No, CORs have a shitty reputation as a DD because people try and push it off as another RNG. We're not, get over it. What we ARE is a versatile class who can keep up with DD classes in merit parties, but can provide powerful buffs and a strong magic based, non-TP feeding, debuff enhancing JA without giving up the roll of being a back line secondary healer in the process.

Are there times we can DD? Sure, I'm all for taking some shots at something when we have the people to make it a non-issue. But should we focus entirely on the DD side like you seem to think we should? No, that would be gimping ourselves by ignoring what many times is an essential roll for us to fill.


If u can only DD in bird camps and pull of slugshots. i suggest getting a gorget and maybe some better ws gear. also strenth merits help especially if ur tarutaru


And fucking Christ, Nyzul? No, doing epeen damage in nyzul is like saying you broke 2k slug shots on G.Colibri: Its nice, but it doesn't matter at all. When you're doing 1k WSs to Lambton Worm or Kirin.