[Pobyedobyedo]

So my sky linkshell has begun zerging kirin regularly. Thing is I don't own a KC/kris/BZ/Apoc and want to be capable of doing the best damage I can till I get one of those(getting BZ in maybe two or three weeks).
I have been using my perdu sickle to zerg in the mean time and manage to get top 3 quite often.

My main question is whether I should use a republic dagger or continue using my perdu.
It comes down to:
DRK/SAM
main:perdu
sub: axe grip/ sword strap/ Pole grip
Ammo: Bomblet
Head: Turban
Neck: Snow gorget/cougar neck
Ears: Intruder/cassie/brutal
Body: JSE body
Hands: Dusk Gloves/Alky brc
rings: flame/bloodbeid/bombqueen
Back:Behemoth/foragers
waist:Swift belt
Legs:Prince Slops(working on homam)
Feet:Homam
vs
DRK/WAR(for the 10%da/good hp)
main:Republic dagger
Sub:Janwu shield
Ammo:HP+10 pebble
Head:Turban
Neck:Cougar Neck
Ears: Cassie/Brutal
Body:JSE body
Hands:Dusk Gloves
Rings:BloodBeid/bombqueen
Back:Behemoth
waist:swift belt
Legs:Prince Slops
Feet:Homam

The reason I have weird gear like alkys/ws gorget in my perdu zerg build is because I manage to get off atleast 3 cross reapers that add quite alot to my total dmg. I don't know whether its better to use a hybrid set like that or just use normal zerg stuff so any suggestions where the (???)/(???) are in my first build would help aswell.

I'm not bad off just too poor to buy a kris so any AH suggestions are welcomed.
Lastly, my drk/sam gets hasso/desperate blows/Carbonara over my /war.
My drk/war on the other hand has 15% double attack and I eat sushi to ensure my hit rate is capped although I don't know if it would be capped without it.
These situations are done under triple brd SV acc/atk/haste ofcourse.
Thanks

[Saxonian]

2nd one, and try to get a Blitz Ring if you can.

[Darkseth]

you might try to get your hands on a Ferrara. low delay GS, if you dont have any multihits. but idk how that works against a dagger

[Saxonian]

Fort Axe is better than a low delay Gsword.

[Nattack]

with full haste and decent zerg gear, (walahra turban, homam hands feet legs, swift belt, blitz ring) but no haste samba, include full last resort if possible:

without soul voice because I forgot to take that into account, silly me

Republic Dagger: 80.55469
Perdu Sickle: 114.9756
Ferrara: 88.81348
-----------------
Fortitude Axe: 115.6641 (2)
Bahamut's Zaghnal: 110.1563 (3)
Ridill: 113.1602 (3)
Mercurial Kris: 92.0625 (3)
Kraken Club: 126.5859 (8)


the easiest and absolute cheapest way to get a zerg weapon is just to kill jailer of fortitude. I have one but I have no skill in it. hell, I never even considered it an option until I remembered "OH SHIT I HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAN ATTACK MORE THAN ONCE"

but its small peas compared to any other multihit weapon,

[Pobyedobyedo]

Thanks for the advice. I needa start camping ah for a republic dagger now orz

[Nattack]

i highly suggest fort axe D:

[Pobyedobyedo]

The GA seems like a good option and I have skill in it but I think by time I joined a sea LS/fought fort I would already have a BZ. A ls selling for only 500k, which is really cheap for a zerg weapon's capability.
Also, does haste ring really beat out bloodbeid ring by alot? Its 600k on my server and want to know if the difference is really worth it.
I been doing terrible dmg lately because I die to fast. Wondering if /nin sub is worth the -10% da and loss of hp..But I suppose anything that lets you live longer is. Would sub drg instead for the high jump if I had it at 37

[Stilm]

The blitz ring is very good if you're using a 1 handed zerg weapon, gives you 1% haste at a haste level where 1% really matters. If you're using a 2 handed weapon however, you should be capping haste really fast without even the need of full haste gear making the ring pretty useless imo.

[Armando]

Try getting max haste or capping it (80% overall cap with different individual caps) before using HP rings. If you max haste then go for HP.

The individual caps are 25% for gear, around 42-44%* from magic (haste, march, enchantements), 25% from Job Abilities/Traits (Hasso & Desperate Blows)
*Can anyone confirm this... I think I forgot xD

If you're using 2H zerg I would recommend you go /SAM and merit 3/5 Desperate Blows and use those 2 merits for Dark Seal and w/e you want... I know some that have 5/5 DB and go MNK instead but that means you'll sacrifice some Diabolic Eye merits (don't use DE on burns since it reduces HP and ACC is not very important when you have full support). Maybe this depends if you use DRK just for burning or not.

For burning if you have full support I would recommend Republic Dagger until you get something better, if you don't have too much support Rune Chopper can be a better option.

[Stilm]

I personally use a Dweomer Scythe with Souleater +2% which apparently stacks with the old enhanced effect making it 14% (or so I read somewhere lol) I'm just cheap and even if I had that dagger my LS rarely uses zergs so I can't be arsed to skill up dagger. I'll just wait until I get my hands on a BZ.

[Argettio]

OK you don't mention if you have and Desperate Blows merits. But I am going to assume you have 5/5 (or have 3/5 and /SAM for hasso)

2 handed weapons

With SV march x2 and haste you are instantly at the cap for magic haste (43.75%)
With 5/5 desperate blows you are instantly at the cap for JA haste (25%)

Which mean to reach the global cap of 80% you need 11-12% haste from gear.

Turban + Swift + Homan feet and you are capped!

Please don't gimp yourself by using more than 15% gear haste when zerging with a 2 handed weapon...

This means you can use Alk bracelets (40HP), Princes Slops (30HP) instead of the lower HP Haste items. You can also use Sword Strap to further reduce the delay.

1 handed weapon

There is no way to get any JA haste with a 1 handed weapon, so you should push to cap gear haste. For a 1 handed weapon the maximum haste you can reach is 68.75%.

This is where items like blitz ring really come into their element.

Conclusion

Excluding multi hit weapons (as that seems to be what the OP wants to do) the order is (best first)
1. Ferrara
2. Cobra Knife
3. Rune Chopper

Fort axe (with stones) would beat any of these 3.

Side Note, you may want to look at the High breath Mantel, it has more HP than the Behemoth cape and its super cheap (just leave it equiped)

[Saxonian]

Argettio, on 11 September 2009 - 04:34 AM, said:

1 handed weapon

There is no way to get any JA haste with a 1 handed weapon, so you should push to cap gear haste. For a 1 handed weapon the maximum haste you can reach is 68.75%.

This is where items like blitz ring really come into their element.

And /drg w/ Wyvern Earring.

[Argettio]

Saxonian, on 11 September 2009 - 06:00 AM, said:

And /drg w/ Wyvern Earring.

Yes, if you can go DRK/DRG to the event then that earring is full of win.

Although that's not always possible. CoP dynamis zones for example, you need to zerg the boss, but you aren't going to want to spend the whole run as DRK/DRG.

[Nattack]

about blitz ring on zerg, do you think it will really outdo 50hp from bloodbead? this is within a 30second time frame,

[Argettio]

Nattack, on 11 September 2009 - 02:44 PM, said:

about blitz ring on zerg, do you think it will really outdo 50hp from bloodbead? this is within a 30second time frame,

Yes, due to the way haste scales, the more you have the more you gain.

You may find combinations of HP and Haste where the bloodbead could be better; but generally, unless you have 26% haste then you need to add more.

[Nattack]

over long term yes, but this is a 30 second time frame, how many attacks will you get in with the possible 20% haste as opposed to 21% (with the obvious bonuses)
if you DO get one more attack in then its worth it, of course. but thats only if you do.

I'm FAR too lazy to calculate on my own

[Argettio]

Whether or not you get an extra attack round in the 30 seconds is dependant on the delay of the weapon and the exact point you start attacking.

It is unlikely that 1% haste will get you another attack round in the 30seconds, but that only matters if the zerg last exactly 30seconds.

You are aiming to maximize damage per second, as you can not predicted (precisely enough) how long the zerg will last so can't work out how many attack rounds you will complete. The maths shows that blitz will give more DPS than an HP ring (when haste is uncapped), so it is better.

[Nattack]

2HR Souleaterzergs can only last 30 seconds, as blood weapon (and if needed, last resort) only lasts 30 seconds.

there are only 3 different weapons to worry about, in this case more. but its a choice between Bzag, Kclub, and Mkris.

why would a dark knight aim to maximize damage per second when HP gives a direct increase on damage? all you need in a souleater zerg is fast attack speed and high maxhp values.
but, if 1 haste isnt going to get you an extra attack round within a 30 second period, then its not worth using blitz ring in a souleater zerg.

[Pobyedobyedo]

0/2 on BZ now so just saving for a kris and if it drops before than good for me. But till then, I'm still stuck with either perdu or republic dagger and confused.

Zerged again with republic dagger and did terribly since I tried to eat carbonara over sushi and ended up with 59% acc.
I don't think republic dagger can beat perdu zerg because I cap acc easy with scythe and still can use carbonara even outside the fact that my cross reapers add an extra 2k at the end(Zerg with scythe involves /sam so med to 300% while i wait). This is with desperate blows merits though. Now I would of given it another chance but the parser told me even with 100% acc I most likely would have still fallen short of some others I usually get higher than using scythe.

I never knew only needed 11% gear haste for 2hand zerg thanks alot for that info.
Wish I had never thrown ferrara now.