[Denmark]

Cool story, bro

[CalmCCF]

Xenophire, on 04 September 2009 - 04:28 PM, said:

Any one of you guys find this insulting?

No wonder he didn't take you in nyzul isle I never see you sub rng like a Cor dd should. Enough said.

[Tricant]

Captainkirk, on 10 September 2009 - 09:38 PM, said:

ive taken corsair to kirin fights and died 8 times cuz i would blast windshot all day

Run, you troll of Satan, run. It really isn't hard to outrun his 5 second charge-up Weaponskills.

On the note of being a more "pure" job when it comes to being your only job: I can sure tell you that even though it's the only job we'd be able to use (in my case for a long time, just PLD), we'd be the better pick over anyone else if they were to have "11 75's." Albeit I have 3 75s and 66 SMN(not much, I know), at least I know how to play and gear up my jobs in every single situation, especially Paladin. Why? Because I love the job so much, I take time to actually research forums to find out what gear to wear in what situations (credit to said knowledge all goes to Kaparu, thanks baby. ). It even pains me when I see ridiculous gear choices on people who SHOULD have a standard knowledge on how the hate system and gear sets function (My favorite was for the final ACP mission - Aegis, Resentment Cape, 4/5 Koenig, Marid Belt +1, HP rings/earring etc. Keep in mind that I know their WHM had Shell 5.)

I like using parentheses.

In a way, having one job kind of *does* make you more "pure" than anyone else. If someone finds a job as their "baby," expect them to be pretty well geared/notified on how to play.

Yes. I would find seeing that comment in the conversation insulting. Extra DD from one person and to 3 other DD with 4 buffs would make up for the lack of damage from adding in the COR. Just my two cents.

Just like to ninja edit here: A parse of a merit party with my friends and a SAM with full Usukane and Hagun was on par with my friend who was 74, literally .5% or so damage below the Usukane SAM. That's the shit that bugs me, and I'm sure thousands of other people. People level jobs for the sake of leveling, they don't even attempt to learn HOW to maximize their game play. In reality, that Usukane SAM should have surpassed the 74 SAM in all ways.

[Katchoo]

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SAM with full Usukane and Hagun was on par with my friend who was 74, literally .5% or so damage below the Usukane SAM.

friend who was a 74 what?

[Xenophire]

CalmCCF, on 12 September 2009 - 01:13 PM, said:

No wonder he didn't take you in nyzul isle I never see you sub rng like a Cor dd should. Enough said.

Why don't you stop hiding behind a forum name and tell me who you are, so I can show you what Sub jobs I have. I /NIN for survivability. I'm not loosing all my EXP because I'm ripping hate left and right "like a COR DD should."

[Cythriell]

Kaparu, on 06 September 2009 - 12:59 PM, said:

I really don't like peoples' use of light DD. If anything, I'd call corsair more of a niche DD. Obviously Corsair can excel in any merit-esque situation(Einherjar, Dynamis, Limbus, merits), but they also deal very respectable and consistent damage against Odin, Ixion, while completely dominating against any flying wyrm. Truth be told, corsair is able to deal reasonable damage against more things than they're not.

They're still light DD in merit-esque situations and cannot compare to a heavy DD of the same skill/gear/DDplaystile as them.

Yes they can do consistent dmg on Odin/Ixion(one of the weakest HNMs deffense wise), did anyone REALLY expect they couldn't, when most of the dmg dealt it via ranged atks? who is arguing against that?

I don't think anyone here has said COR can't do reasonable Dmg, but lots /know/ they cant compare to heavy DD, and should be classed as support DD. Especially if they're doing their job as a buffer.

[Addmol]

You insulted him, he didn't insult you.
You took offence to COR being labeled a 'Buff' job...which they are...Doesn't matter what role they're playing they're going to buff.
You wouldn't take no for an answer
And since when has 'Heavy DD' been used? Either i've not played in a while or you're just trying to make a new abbreviation.

[CalmCCF]

Xenophire, on 12 September 2009 - 03:33 PM, said:

Why don't you stop hiding behind a forum name and tell me who you are, so I can show you what Sub jobs I have. I /NIN for survivability. I'm not loosing all my EXP because I'm ripping hate left and right "like a COR DD should."

Im not hiding behind a forum name you blacklisted me in the game. My characters name is Charzue. I don't merit with a nin sub but i have it. If you dont have lazy mages in the pt you wouldnt have problems going /rng.

[Tricant]

Katchoo, on 12 September 2009 - 03:19 PM, said:

friend who was a 74 what?

Apologies. She is a 74 SAM.

[Sakka_Valefor]

Captainkirk, on 10 September 2009 - 09:38 PM, said:

this makes me furious

lets say for a sec corsairs cant do assist damage


cor and a bard is a magical thing that doesn't happen often

cor can be decent dd ive taken corsair to kirin fights and died 8 times cuz i would blast windshot all day

slugshot is dangerous quickshot is dangerous

fuck them
screw cor/whms too corsairs pull, buff, tank adds and DD

they dont pull and get hit a bunch because the tank is not on his game, buff people heal party and go over a distance to raise someone

we arent bitches

TROLL! IN THE DUNGEONS!! TROLL IN THE DUNGEONS!! I thought you wanted to know. *feints*

[ramyrez]

Tricant, on 12 September 2009 - 01:56 PM, said:

On the note of being a more "pure" job when it comes to being your only job: I can sure tell you that even though it's the only job we'd be able to use (in my case for a long time, just PLD), we'd be the better pick over anyone else if they were to have "11 75's." Albeit I have 3 75s and 66 SMN(not much, I know), at least I know how to play and gear up my jobs in every single situation, especially Paladin. Why? Because I love the job so much, I take time to actually research forums to find out what gear to wear in what situations (credit to said knowledge all goes to Kaparu, thanks baby. ). It even pains me when I see ridiculous gear choices on people who SHOULD have a standard knowledge on how the hate system and gear sets function (My favorite was for the final ACP mission - Aegis, Resentment Cape, 4/5 Koenig, Marid Belt +1, HP rings/earring etc. Keep in mind that I know their WHM had Shell 5.)

I like using parentheses.

In a way, having one job kind of *does* make you more "pure" than anyone else. If someone finds a job as their "baby," expect them to be pretty well geared/notified on how to play.

Horse shit. You know game mechanics or you don't. Whether you have 1 job leveled or 15.

It is a very true statement that a good many of the Maat's Capped folks out there have shit gear and know virtually nothing of game mechanics because they spend all their time leveling. But I have 11 level 75 jobs and they're all geared at least acceptably, if not impeccably, and my "main" jobs are geared -very- well. You can make a job your "baby" regardless of how many you've had leveled.

[caboose_ftw]

IDK what the problem is.
I'd be more than happy to play support only.
yes, my marksmanship is merited and capped.
But really, what's with the epeen?
if i can save money and be lazy, i'll take it. proudly.

[Tricant]

ramyrez, on 13 September 2009 - 10:05 AM, said:

Horse shit. You know game mechanics or you don't. Whether you have 1 job leveled or 15.

It is a very true statement that a good many of the Maat's Capped folks out there have shit gear and know virtually nothing of game mechanics because they spend all their time leveling. But I have 11 level 75 jobs and they're all geared at least acceptably, if not impeccably, and my "main" jobs are geared -very- well. You can make a job your "baby" regardless of how many you've had leveled.

Humor me then, show me your gear sets on Paladin. If it's not *the best* gear in a specific slot, then say what is.

[Greeber]

Tricant, on 14 September 2009 - 06:30 PM, said:

Humor me then, show me your gear sets on Paladin. If it's not *the best* gear in a specific slot, then say what is.

pld aint my baby (rng and mnk are ) but i have 12 75's and im working on number 13 now. But id like to post my basic pld setup

main- joyeus - attonement purposes
sub- koenig shield
ranged- lamian kaman
ammo- tiphia sting (if no bow and depneding on what im fighting)
head- walmart turban / homam
neck- PCC / parade gorget
ear 1- loquacious earring
ear 2- ethereal earring
body- IR body
hands- homam
ring 1- ulthalam's
ring 2- woodsman ring
back- high breath mantle
waist- swift belt
legs- homam
feet- homam/askar

now once again, pld is not my baby, and this is not the only gear set that i have. I also have a full MDT/MDB set, a full fire resistance set, full enmity set, and a ton of DD equipment that can be subed in each and every slot if need be......but pld is not my baby

[Denmark]

caboose_ftw, on 14 September 2009 - 03:39 PM, said:

IDK what the problem is.
I'd be more than happy to play support only.
yes, my marksmanship is merited and capped.
But really, what's with the epeen?
if i can save money and be lazy, i'll take it. proudly.

This is called halfassing and it's gimp as shit. Even if you not invited as a "DD" you still should be dealing damge it's part of your job if you not going to play it right get the fuck off the job and go level something else.

[Ezekial]

A Cor that does not DD is the same as a BRD that does not debuff.

Speaking merit PT specifically, I normally always end up with a retarded WAR that does not know what Provoke is or a fucking bandwagon SAM that can't play his job worth shit.

I can out parse bandwagon sam's on colibri NP, if the PT is actually good I will normally end up between 15-18% of total PT damage.

I have also come to the realization of playing with so many shit WAR's as well that Quick Draw is pretty much a 45 second Provoke(merits+mirke). Come to think of it my last couple Merit PT's I have been in I have ended up being the "tank" >.>

fucking slackers.

[Argettio]

I don't really get this thread.

I was expected a screen shot of someone calling the COR and idiot for thinking they can DD at all. Instead it was actually a screenshot of some one telling a COR that they aren't as good of a DD as a SAM (which is true) and the COR getting butthurt over it and starting an argument

If I (and I imagine any one) shouts for a DD I expect replies from SAM, WAR, DRG, DRK and MNK (maybe BLU and THF). If I wanted a COR I would shout for one. I am perfectly aware of the DD potential of a COR, and therefore I can make the call about whether or not I think my party needs one. If I got a COR then where possible I would expect them to do some damage, but rolls always come first.

COR is a niche job, able to combine BRD like buffs with RNG like damage with some unique abilities thrown into the mix like QD. Some COR's seem to have decided that because they can do 1500 slugshots on birds that they are the new DD and that anyone who doesn't let them come as a DD is a noob. Get over your self and accept you are not solely a Buffer + DD, and unless you can master all the ways to play the job (that includes /WHM) and understand your limitations then you are not playing the job to its full potential.

Ezekial, on 15 September 2009 - 05:41 PM, said:

I can out parse bandwagon sam's on colibri NP, if the PT is actually good I will normally end up between 15-18% of total PT damage.

This is my view, a good COR can do decent damage, it can even beat gimped/badly geared players. But if you take a 'like for like' comparison a SAM, WAR, DRK, DRG > COR in terms of pure DD power.

[Katchoo]

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I was expected a screen shot of someone calling the COR and idiot for thinking they can DD at all. Instead it was actually a screenshot of some one telling a COR that they aren't as good of a DD as a SAM (which is true) and the COR getting butthurt over it and starting an argument

If I (and I imagine any one) shouts for a DD I expect replies from SAM, WAR, DRG, DRK and MNK (maybe BLU and THF). If I wanted a COR I would shout for one. I am perfectly aware of the DD potential of a COR, and therefore I can make the call about whether or not I think my party needs one. If I got a COR then where possible I would expect them to do some damage, but rolls always come first.

COR is a niche job, able to combine BRD like buffs with RNG like damage with some unique abilities thrown into the mix like QD. Some COR's seem to have decided that because they can do 1500 slugshots on birds that they are the new DD and that anyone who doesn't let them come as a DD is a noob. Get over your self and accept you are not solely a Buffer + DD, and unless you can master all the ways to play the job (that includes /WHM) and understand your limitations then you are not playing the job to its full potential

This FTW

Infact sticky it and get everybody to read it before they post anything on the COR forum.

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I can out parse bandwagon sam's on colibri NP, if the PT is actually good I will normally end up between 15-18% of total PT damage.

Out parsing a bad player is hardley an achievement now is it, HURRAY you're not as crap as that guy have a cookie

[ramyrez]

Tricant, on 14 September 2009 - 06:30 PM, said:

Humor me then, show me your gear sets on Paladin. If it's not *the best* gear in a specific slot, then say what is.

I'm not going through the eight+ different sets of gear I use on paladin for any given purpose to convince you of something that should be a fairly obvious fact. The majority of people who claim "I only have this job, so I love it more than you" are -- in my quite honestly vast experience throughout FFXI -- more likely to be worse at the job than someone who has multiple jobs leveled. The best paladin I know has six level 75 jobs and is about as diverse as you can get. She's got paladin, white mage, red mage, samurai, monk and warrior and is currently working on ranger. Now, fact is, she's a paladin through-and-through. But she leveled the other jobs (initially white mage was her second) because sometimes, your job just isn't viable or there IS someone who's being an ass and refuses to be versatile for the sake of the group activity.

Now, does that mean she loves the paladin job any less?

No.

And I submit to you that it is MORE indicative of a true paladin spirit in the role-playing sense; she does what she has to to help keep those around her up and running. Her preferred method is standing tall in the face of the enemy and tanking it. And that's where her heart is in the job sense. But if those she's attempting to aid are more in need of other services from her, she's ready and willing to provide those services.

This, honestly, has turned into a discussion of skill vs. heart where I didn't really mean it to do so anyhow. My initial point was that just because someone has leveled other jobs for the sake of versatility or simply wanting to experience another side of the game, that doesn't mean that they're any less dedicated to their chosen "main" job than someone who doesn't have the time/effort/desire to level anything else. And among those who claim they're "more dedicated" to a job, I've found you're more inclined to see someone who is actually -less- dedicated to playing well. An example I'll give; the grand majority of people I know who play the "I've only got one job because I love it more than you" paladins generally do things like...rock a Knightly Mantle full-time. And quite possibly only have /war, lacking nin/rdm/whm/(maybe even /dnc) for the proper time and place.

The point, in the end, is this.

There are shitty players with Maat's Caps out there. And there are shitty players who have all of one job to which they're "entirely dedicated". There is no correlation between how much you "love" a job and how well you can actually play it.

There is dedication to playing the game well and there isn't. And your "pet" job is either played well or played terribly based on -that- particular dedication.

Not whether or not you've got job versatility.

[Tricant]

ramyrez, on 16 September 2009 - 09:51 AM, said:

I'm not going through the eight+ different sets of gear I use on paladin for any given purpose to convince you of something that should be a fairly obvious fact. The majority of people who claim "I only have this job, so I love it more than you" are -- in my quite honestly vast experience throughout FFXI -- more likely to be worse at the job than someone who has multiple jobs leveled. The best paladin I know has six level 75 jobs and is about as diverse as you can get. She's got paladin, white mage, red mage, samurai, monk and warrior and is currently working on ranger. Now, fact is, she's a paladin through-and-through. But she leveled the other jobs (initially white mage was her second) because sometimes, your job just isn't viable or there IS someone who's being an ass and refuses to be versatile for the sake of the group activity.

Now, does that mean she loves the paladin job any less?

No.

And I submit to you that it is MORE indicative of a true paladin spirit in the role-playing sense; she does what she has to to help keep those around her up and running. Her preferred method is standing tall in the face of the enemy and tanking it. And that's where her heart is in the job sense. But if those she's attempting to aid are more in need of other services from her, she's ready and willing to provide those services.

This, honestly, has turned into a discussion of skill vs. heart where I didn't really mean it to do so anyhow. My initial point was that just because someone has leveled other jobs for the sake of versatility or simply wanting to experience another side of the game, that doesn't mean that they're any less dedicated to their chosen "main" job than someone who doesn't have the time/effort/desire to level anything else. And among those who claim they're "more dedicated" to a job, I've found you're more inclined to see someone who is actually -less- dedicated to playing well. An example I'll give; the grand majority of people I know who play the "I've only got one job because I love it more than you" paladins generally do things like...rock a Knightly Mantle full-time. And quite possibly only have /war, lacking nin/rdm/whm/(maybe even /dnc) for the proper time and place.

The point, in the end, is this.

There are shitty players with Maat's Caps out there. And there are shitty players who have all of one job to which they're "entirely dedicated". There is no correlation between how much you "love" a job and how well you can actually play it.

There is dedication to playing the game well and there isn't. And your "pet" job is either played well or played terribly based on -that- particular dedication.

Not whether or not you've got job versatility.

And MY point was that a person who actually cares to try and research their job/s is more likely to be better if they were to have less amounts of jobs, otherwise they would be stuck on forums discussing gear choices and such.

You do realize that with that monster post that you could easily just shown me your "idle" set up at the very least, which would prove/disprove my point.

Ninja edit: I have only ever seen one competent PLD on my server aside from myself (I'm conceded, I know). It is rare for me to see someone that knows how to play their job, and if that person truly loves their job, then why do they purposefully make themselves oblivious to the changes they need to make to become better at what they do? Is it because of the, "It works" fallacy? That's not even an excuse. Now, for someone to tell me that this isn't like this on almost all servers needs a reality check.

If you simply say what your "idle" set-up is, minimal 16 lines, it's hard, but can be done.