[Altanos]

So, in recent developments, I have decided to level my DRK to 75. In doing so, I have been evaluating it's endgame capabilities in all aspects, and as always with myself as a RDM / PLD / NIN tank, I ponder about the tanking aspects of the job. Now, in the past, I have seen DRK tanks, and I have laughed at them at first, before seing their capabilities. I wont bother going over the basics of it, such as how DRK/NIN can build / maintain hate and why it's so special, it's the same concept as NIN/DRK which everyone is more then familiar with by now.

In conjunction with the above, I'm going to hold off on posting the gear choices for now, those are also, or at least should be very very obvious by now. Instead I'd like to discuss the actual merits of this idea. The most obvious one, is of course for the DRK themselves, the ability to tank on things DRK can't zerg would be a huge plus for them in their comparison to other DD's. So to jump right into it, does anyone have experience tanking as a DRK, if so, please list these examples. I would rather enjoy hearing input of people who have tanked a variety of things on DRK, as of right now I cannot imagine many situations DRK could NOT tank, if NIN could tank it, in theory so can DRK.

So let's enjoy ourselves at least, if nothing else, an interesting discusion, I eargerly await your replies.

[richardd]

Altanos, on 18 September 2009 - 01:46 AM, said:

So, in recent developments, I have decided to level my DRK to 75. In doing so, I have been evaluating it's endgame capabilities in all aspects, and as always with myself as a RDM / PLD / NIN tank, I ponder about the tanking aspects of the job. Now, in the past, I have seen DRK tanks, and I have laughed at them at first, before seing their capabilities. I wont bother going over the basics of it, such as how DRK/NIN can build / maintain hate and why it's so special, it's the same concept as NIN/DRK which everyone is more then familiar with by now.

In conjunction with the above, I'm going to hold off on posting the gear choices for now, those are also, or at least should be very very obvious by now. Instead I'd like to discuss the actual merits of this idea. The most obvious one, is of course for the DRK themselves, the ability to tank on things DRK can't zerg would be a huge plus for them in their comparison to other DD's. So to jump right into it, does anyone have experience tanking as a DRK, if so, please list these examples. I would rather enjoy hearing input of people who have tanked a variety of things on DRK, as of right now I cannot imagine many situations DRK could NOT tank, if NIN could tank it, in theory so can DRK.

So let's enjoy ourselves at least, if nothing else, an interesting discusion, I eargerly await your replies.

if a pld or rdm can tank it, than so can nin and dont tell me they cant, because i tanked every single mob in the game including PW and solo tanked an AV for 10 min. im a nin tanking fanatic. so the whole "if a nin can tank it, drk can too" thing is kinda buggy.

that being said. i only tanked a few mobs on drk. KS99 wyrm, but thats nothing to be proud of of. any DD can tank that thing. same with the tier 3 ZNM's. it was easy if you never plan on getting hit, but i imagine, if you can get your hand on the same ohshit macros that people like art have, it wouldve been easier. but you can always work your away around stuff like that. DRK can do it pretty good. They tank different than my nin though, because i dont hold hate just by spamming sleep and stun. i also do dmg. with gear like homam pants and velocious belt/etc you can cap your recasts like nothing. i guess the mob i tanked with DRK that required some sort of skill would be tiamat. me and another nin/drk tanked it. Ive had people in the LS say it worked better than pld and nin, and 2 pld's combo, just because it never moved. it was constantly stunned. it was incredibly easy to keep shadows up and no one else ever got hate. sams and wars had all the freedom to spam their SA WS's. i was hit a few times, but dread spikes saved my ass. It didnt resist. i dont know the rate, but i was grateful either way.

I didnt take notice on the DRK tanking until we KC'd Tiamat just to make it die faster. me and dankster would recast our shadows and tank it like a pro and have hate for a good 5 min while the plds kept trying to spam cure themselves. it was very easy to keep it stable. thats when i did my research and people have been doing this for a long time now. my DRK can wear a TON of barfire gear and -magic/physical shit. It can get more MDB than my nin and since i had a minerva ring, that made it even better. People like Tainted/Art/and a LOT of veteran DRKs have been doing this for a while now. so im sure they can help you out with some inputs you might need. that was my 2 cents

[Deo2]

/Sam Seigan + Third Eye + Terra/earth staff
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/nin utsu1 & 2
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/rdm phalanx + stoneskin + aquaveil + fast cast 2 + mdef bonus
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/pld shield mastery 1 + Kite shield equipable + 114 shield skill (meh) + Defense bonus 2 + autorefresh + Sentinel + Cover + shield bash
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/blu? (too lazy to research)
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drk defensive abilities
stun
dread spikes
weapon bash
blood weapon

/insomnia

[Altanos]

richardd, on 18 September 2009 - 02:36 AM, said:

if a pld or rdm can tank it, than so can nin and dont tell me they cant, because i tanked every single mob in the game including PW and solo tanked an AV for 10 min. im a nin tanking fanatic. so the whole "if a nin can tank it, drk can too" thing is kinda buggy.

that being said. i only tanked a few mobs on drk. KS99 wyrm, but thats nothing to be proud of of. any DD can tank that thing. same with the tier 3 ZNM's. it was easy if you never plan on getting hit, but i imagine, if you can get your hand on the same ohshit macros that people like art have, it wouldve been easier. but you can always work your away around stuff like that. DRK can do it pretty good. They tank different than my nin though, because i dont hold hate just by spamming sleep and stun. i also do dmg. with gear like homam pants and velocious belt/etc you can cap your recasts like nothing. i guess the mob i tanked with DRK that required some sort of skill would be tiamat. me and another nin/drk tanked it. Ive had people in the LS say it worked better than pld and nin, and 2 pld's combo, just because it never moved. it was constantly stunned. it was incredibly easy to keep shadows up and no one else ever got hate. sams and wars had all the freedom to spam their SA WS's. i was hit a few times, but dread spikes saved my ass. It didnt resist. i dont know the rate, but i was grateful either way.

I didnt take notice on the DRK tanking until we KC'd Tiamat just to make it die faster. me and dankster would recast our shadows and tank it like a pro and have hate for a good 5 min while the plds kept trying to spam cure themselves. it was very easy to keep it stable. thats when i did my research and people have been doing this for a long time now. my DRK can wear a TON of barfire gear and -magic/physical shit. It can get more MDB than my nin and since i had a minerva ring, that made it even better. People like Tainted/Art/and a LOT of veteran DRKs have been doing this for a while now. so im sure they can help you out with some inputs you might need. that was my 2 cents

Ahh, just the man I was hoping to hear from, I figured you would have excellent input on anything involving tanking

I admit, my wording on the "Anything NIN can tank..." was a little off, I was just drawing reference to that if NIN/DRK can do it, DRK/NIN should be able too as well. The def gear, is the biggest issue in a sense, I'd imagine you can work around it as DRK can use most of the gear PLD can as well. That being said, I strongly feel that the use of Dread Spikes would balance out the lack of def gear. And even in terms of just gear, you still have access to the big stuff, Jelly, Darksteel, Terra's etc.

Now, in terms of Magic Def gear, I think this is a place DRK could shine. Their MDB gear available to them is incredible, on par with PLD's (Minus Iron Ram Lance ;; ). You also touched base on something else I feel is a selling point, DRK not only has spells for hate, but can do actual damage as well. On certain key fights, such as Cerberus, I could see the use of DRK Tanking being extremely efficent (for low man situations at least). Most of my experience with Cerb has been low manning, 6-8 people, 5 hour long fights with a single Samurai DDing (Pre Atonement), and I would have gladly changed out a NIN/DRK for the switch around, if for no other reason then an extra stunner (that always lands stun, screw you /DRK resists on hades ).

To add on to this, I also feel a second DRK/NIN tanking would be very, very effective. Easy stun locking, tanks that absorb TP and have Dread Spikes to keep em alive w/o shadows. If managed properly, it could in theory be very effective on most fights where you just don't have a RDM NIN or PLD handy. Thoughts?

*Side Note*

I am, in no way shape or form advocating DRK becomes the new tank as RDM has in the past, I am, however sugesting that there are situations in which a DRK/NIN can be an extremly effective tank, and for some fights, possibly be even more effective. I feel this is important to point out before anyone decides to point out "Or they could just lvl PLD". I am trying to bring light on to the theory, that it is not only possible, but very doable for career DRK's to add a new toy to their repretoire and tank if needed. If this is shown to be effective, it could be a fairly significant step forward for some people who are career DRK's who would love a shot at doing something other then just zerging endgame.

[richardd]

Altanos, on 18 September 2009 - 03:44 AM, said:

Ahh, just the man I was hoping to hear from, I figured you would have excellent input on anything involving tanking

I admit, my wording on the "Anything NIN can tank..." was a little off, I was just drawing reference to that if NIN/DRK can do it, DRK/NIN should be able too as well. The def gear, is the biggest issue in a sense, I'd imagine you can work around it as DRK can use most of the gear PLD can as well. That being said, I strongly feel that the use of Dread Spikes would balance out the lack of def gear. And even in terms of just gear, you still have access to the big stuff, Jelly, Darksteel, Terra's etc.

Now, in terms of Magic Def gear, I think this is a place DRK could shine. Their MDB gear available to them is incredible, on par with PLD's (Minus Iron Ram Lance ;; ). You also touched base on something else I feel is a selling point, DRK not only has spells for hate, but can do actual damage as well. On certain key fights, such as Cerberus, I could see the use of DRK Tanking being extremely efficent (for low man situations at least). Most of my experience with Cerb has been low manning, 6-8 people, 5 hour long fights with a single Samurai DDing (Pre Atonement), and I would have gladly changed out a NIN/DRK for the switch around, if for no other reason then an extra stunner (that always lands stun, screw you /DRK resists on hades ).

To add on to this, I also feel a second DRK/NIN tanking would be very, very effective. Easy stun locking, tanks that absorb TP and have Dread Spikes to keep em alive w/o shadows. If managed properly, it could in theory be very effective on most fights where you just don't have a RDM NIN or PLD handy. Thoughts?

*Side Note*

I am, in no way shape or form advocating DRK becomes the new tank as RDM has in the past, I am, however sugesting that there are situations in which a DRK/NIN can be an extremly effective tank, and for some fights, possibly be even more effective. I feel this is important to point out before anyone decides to point out "Or they could just lvl PLD". I am trying to bring light on to the theory, that it is not only possible, but very doable for career DRK's to add a new toy to their repretoire and tank if needed. If this is shown to be effective, it could be a fairly significant step forward for some people who are career DRK's who would love a shot at doing something then just zerging endgame.

very well put

yeah i agree with you on pretty much everything you said

drk on lowman tanking things is great. even when i was /sam, i remember having to tank the remainder of things like Ultimas because the tanks who needed to learn and step it up from inexperiance, ended up dying. It was very easy. I had most of the MDB stuff, even if only my drk could wear. i survived like 3 CB's too even though 1 was a shadowring proc. WIth the right support, im sure DRK can tank just like everyone else. Maybe not the extent of a nin/rdm/pld on things like Khimara and AV/Ixion (well actually, anyone can tank Ixion, his melee attacks are weak and his AOEs are too easy to deal with)lambtom worm but it still can put up a fight. dont listen to nay-sayers. most have never seen it. take it from me because i seen it work with my 2 eyes in a successful LS. a DRK tank can be as good as the user wants to take it. Its not a job you can be lazy with like pld and have a macro to mitigate dmg for a few sec. you really need a lot of patience and experience on mobs in general. I knew most of the time when to expect a TP move based on the mob i was fighting/the attack patterns and how to handle and anticipate shit. So id like to think i took it further than most wouldve given it credit for. But im also like one of the later people to do it. Im nothing special because, like i said. its been going on for a while so yeah. you can DEF do it. and i expect pics when you do!

I can remember co tanking with a guy in my LS on Cerb. He was on Drk/nin and i was on nin/drk. Ive tanked with everything you can imagine. Aegis/excal/burtang/dring/rdm's all that. And not to sound arrogant, but i can never think of a situation where i didnt hold my own more than i wouldve liked to, even after things like attonement. i have a natural habit for keeping anything glued on me whether i was nin/drk or nin/rdm and i have bunch of misc parses to prove it... but i was good with sharing too. one of the hardest times i ever had to share hate was with a drk co tank on cerberus (yup a drk. this is coming from an LS with 5 aegis's/2 excals/2 burtangs etc etc). As his co-tank, i made sure he NEVER got hit once when his shadows were down... and i ended up doing that too! He never had to deal with any physical attacks. But i wasnt used to having to tank with someone like that. even if i had the most of the hate, the hate drk can get together is still very VERY good, especially on mobs that can be stunned. I cant think of a situation where you would sub anything but /nin (if you are really tanking in the tank pty) other than ouryu where the /drk can sub /rdm because most of the time, its just manaburned. /sam can work, if you have the support for it too.

to describe him, he didnt have to follow a pattern like i did in order to stay capped. He just casted 3 spells. and used a GS because the WS dmg is better since its a 1hit and your buffs are 2 marches/2 ballads. His WS dmg wasnt really much of course, it was like 400-700, but he could do that every time SE was up, and you better believe, i had to SE to get it right back. DRK tanks are no joke depending on the mob. but like i said, there are too many close minded people out there to see the usefulness in it. but shit, when it comes to tanking, im open minded about anything.



and sorry for wall of text.

if you read all that, than PM saxonian for a lap dance

[Saxonian]

richardd, on 18 September 2009 - 04:24 AM, said:

if you read all that, than PM saxonian for a lap dance

woahhhh man where did that come from

Also Cerb would be one of the harder mobs for Drk to tank since that Stoneskin is a bitch and hitting for 0 generates no hate, I've always wanted to do some Drk tanking but never really had the opportunity.

also, you need to learn when spamming spells becomes more beneficial to the whole alliance to keep hate rather than DDing (for example you're trying to limit TP gain or your dmg is too low to keep hate high enough so you need to spam spells to keep up with your cotank).

[Taint]

I've had the pleasure of tanking most big HNMs in this game on DRK and recently my LS leader Kommission has been doing the same since he was bored of PLD. Khim is by far my favorite mob to tank, 2 BRDs and you can main tank him and own the parse at the same time. I used to mess around with all types of PLD type gear, emn+ and MDB gear but all you really need is a solid DD set up and a good support team. ( like any other tank) Damage,Stun,DreadSpikes,Shadows are your friends, I also have macros for sleep,sleep2 and bind for weapon in holding situations. Situational gear like an Oshi set and fire set for Tia are also nice.

There isn't a whole lot more that hasn't been discussed, but DRK is a very viable tank option with the right support.

[Tricant]

richardd, on 18 September 2009 - 04:24 AM, said:

I can remember co tanking with a guy in my LS on Cerb. He was on Drk/nin and i was on nin/drk. Ive tanked with everything you can imagine. Aegis/excal/burtang/dring/rdm's all that. And not to sound arrogant, but i can never think of a situation where i didnt hold my own more than i wouldve liked to, even after things like attonement. i have a natural habit for keeping anything glued on me whether i was nin/drk or nin/rdm and i have bunch of misc parses to prove it... but i was good with sharing too. one of the hardest times i ever had to share hate was with a drk co tank on cerberus (yup a drk. this is coming from an LS with 5 aegis's/2 excals/2 burtangs etc etc). As his co-tank, i made sure he NEVER got hit once when his shadows were down... and i ended up doing that too! He never had to deal with any physical attacks. But i wasnt used to having to tank with someone like that. even if i had the most of the hate, the hate drk can get together is still very VERY good, especially on mobs that can be stunned. I cant think of a situation where you would sub anything but /nin (if you are really tanking in the tank pty) other than ouryu where the /drk can sub /rdm because most of the time, its just manaburned. /sam can work, if you have the support for it too.

Well that's your problem right there. If you have the money and time to get a Burtgang, just get an Excalibur. Much better in terms of doing damage and keeping hate. It's just an overall piece of badassery in one slot, why pass it up?

Granted, my DRK is at 72 and have even been anxious to get it at 75 so I can see how well I could tank on DRK since I have pretty much all of the accessible TP gear for it. Gear left over from my PLD, it should be pretty easy to build a tanking set up for DRK.

[richardd]

Tricant, on 19 September 2009 - 01:14 PM, said:

Well that's your problem right there. If you have the money and time to get a Burtgang, just get an Excalibur. Much better in terms of doing damage and keeping hate. It's just an overall piece of badassery in one slot, why pass it up?

Granted, my DRK is at 72 and have even been anxious to get it at 75 so I can see how well I could tank on DRK since I have pretty much all of the accessible TP gear for it. Gear left over from my PLD, it should be pretty easy to build a tanking set up for DRK.

well... usually when you get all the gear you need for that job, they end up upgrading it for kicks and extra luxury SA could fund relics in about a few weeks to a month from scratch (depending on the relic). the other burtang was the 1st amongst all servers and 1st NA mythic too. nobody knew how it worked back than, so he went for that route which wasnt bad anyways.

http://www.ffxiah.co...r.php?id=154666

his town gear is fail, but you get the point.


pld is by far the easiest tanking job imo. but its the hardest of all 3 to hold constant hate even when you spam cure macros on yourself because nin and rdm have some better accumulative spamming spells. if i was a pld main, id upgrade excal over aegis and burtang.

but im glad tainted posted on here. he tanked tiamat on his drk before i did, and i think art did too. but he never goes on KI

[Altanos]

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Richardd
But im also like one of the later people to do it. Im nothing special because, like i said. its been going on for a while so yeah. you can DEF do it. and i expect pics when you do!

Will do! Going to be starting a blog up after I ding 75, will be having a friend of mine take pics of gear / actual tanking SS's(Damn playing on 360!). The primary focus of the blog will be on Dark Tanking, and the misadventures of my LS (Will mostly be a lot of sea and a little sky at first). I'll keep you updated, when I start the blog I'll come back here to post the link. Dark 60 as of last night :3, so stay tuned!

Oh, I'll also come back here and post the results of tanking on DRK and keep the OP updated methinks. I really would like aspiring DRK's to see what the job is capable of tanking and to have that information readily available for themselves. I know for myself, when I started thinking of this I tried looking for info on it on a few sites and had nada . Richardd's Blog mentioning him DRK tanking on and off was about all there was, which is a shame, there really should be more!

[Nightrhoad]

I agree with the fact that drk can tank although i may sound like a noob. i started playing FFXI when it was beta testing for the 360. i always was the crazy bastard in the partys and would try to kill myself for the party. anyone out there who has played with either of my 2 chars after the beta testing knows that i can do a decent job. (Gokusama and Kakkarot) most of my tanking with drk though came in when i was doing CoP missions. now i had alot of complaints from party members cus they thought i was trying to kill the party but i was a drk/war. when i do tank with drk usualy i go for things that will increase my vitality stats like gianas mantle and what not. i will also sub mnk for the hp boost and for the extra vit and dmg stats as well. i dont know all the matmatics for it but meh. i do know that with mnk subbed i was doing a hell of alot more dmg and was able to stand up to hits better and take about 10-25% less dmg from mobs and that even though it did not let me have very much mp it was good for taking hits. eva and whatnot was boosted fairly high. almost as much as subbing nin or thf not quite as high but still a deffinet improvement over a war sub. i have always used a elvann char and i dont know if that has alot of effect on drk but i do know that it was a good setup for me. lmfao i do sound like a noob. lol killing myself at work and what not so my brain is not all there. cant make a difinitive argument for drk tanks.logging off for now

[Saxonian]

Nightrhoad, on 22 September 2009 - 02:36 PM, said:

I agree with the fact that drk can tank although i may sound like a noob. i started playing FFXI when it was beta testing for the 360. i always was the crazy bastard in the partys and would try to kill myself for the party. anyone out there who has played with either of my 2 chars after the beta testing knows that i can do a decent job. (Gokusama and Kakkarot) most of my tanking with drk though came in when i was doing CoP missions. now i had alot of complaints from party members cus they thought i was trying to kill the party but i was a drk/war. when i do tank with drk usualy i go for things that will increase my vitality stats like gianas mantle and what not. i will also sub mnk for the hp boost and for the extra vit and dmg stats as well. i dont know all the matmatics for it but meh. i do know that with mnk subbed i was doing a hell of alot more dmg and was able to stand up to hits better and take about 10-25% less dmg from mobs and that even though it did not let me have very much mp it was good for taking hits. eva and whatnot was boosted fairly high. almost as much as subbing nin or thf not quite as high but still a deffinet improvement over a war sub. i have always used a elvann char and i dont know if that has alot of effect on drk but i do know that it was a good setup for me. lmfao i do sound like a noob. lol killing myself at work and what not so my brain is not all there. cant make a difinitive argument for drk tanks.logging off for now

k bud

[Altanos]

Saxonian, on 22 September 2009 - 02:45 PM, said:

k bud

I lol'd.

[Eurlin]

Nightrhoad, on 22 September 2009 - 02:36 PM, said:

I agree with the fact that drk can tank although i may sound like a noob. i started playing FFXI when it was beta testing for the 360. i always was the crazy bastard in the partys and would try to kill myself for the party. anyone out there who has played with either of my 2 chars after the beta testing knows that i can do a decent job. (Gokusama and Kakkarot) most of my tanking with drk though came in when i was doing CoP missions. now i had alot of complaints from party members cus they thought i was trying to kill the party but i was a drk/war. when i do tank with drk usualy i go for things that will increase my vitality stats like gianas mantle and what not. i will also sub mnk for the hp boost and for the extra vit and dmg stats as well. i dont know all the matmatics for it but meh. i do know that with mnk subbed i was doing a hell of alot more dmg and was able to stand up to hits better and take about 10-25% less dmg from mobs and that even though it did not let me have very much mp it was good for taking hits. eva and whatnot was boosted fairly high. almost as much as subbing nin or thf not quite as high but still a deffinet improvement over a war sub. i have always used a elvann char and i dont know if that has alot of effect on drk but i do know that it was a good setup for me. lmfao i do sound like a noob. lol killing myself at work and what not so my brain is not all there. cant make a difinitive argument for drk tanks.logging off for now

And the thread was going on so well without stupidity =(

[Sakka_Valefor]

Nightrhoad, on 22 September 2009 - 02:36 PM, said:

I agree with the fact that drk can tank although i may sound like a noob. i started playing FFXI when it was beta testing for the 360. i always was the crazy bastard in the partys and would try to kill myself for the party. anyone out there who has played with either of my 2 chars after the beta testing knows that i can do a decent job. (Gokusama and Kakkarot) most of my tanking with drk though came in when i was doing CoP missions. now i had alot of complaints from party members cus they thought i was trying to kill the party but i was a drk/war. when i do tank with drk usualy i go for things that will increase my vitality stats like gianas mantle and what not. i will also sub mnk for the hp boost and for the extra vit and dmg stats as well. i dont know all the matmatics for it but meh. i do know that with mnk subbed i was doing a hell of alot more dmg and was able to stand up to hits better and take about 10-25% less dmg from mobs and that even though it did not let me have very much mp it was good for taking hits. eva and whatnot was boosted fairly high. almost as much as subbing nin or thf not quite as high but still a deffinet improvement over a war sub. i have always used a elvann char and i dont know if that has alot of effect on drk but i do know that it was a good setup for me. lmfao i do sound like a noob. lol killing myself at work and what not so my brain is not all there. cant make a difinitive argument for drk tanks.logging off for now

so like i noticed when i go drk/whm to tank things its almost like a pld because i can cure myself which is good so i tried tanking this big monster once he was in the dunes it was this really tough fly well i died because i wasnt subbing whm but if i was i know for a fact we would have won because i could have cured myself it was so leet oh and one more thing i like subbing rdm sometimes too because i can do enspells and blaze spikes which does a lot of dmg to our enemies its so cool omg i havent tried mnk subjob yet i will have to sometime idk though bro idk bro ill just have to get a pt sometime have you tried going subjob beastmaster i mean its okay i guess but if im getting my ass kicked i can always charm the monster were killing so we dont wipe which is always good but whm subjob has reraise which is good when we wipe because i can get up 10-25% of the time unless i forget to put it up you know. lmfao i do sound like a noob lol killing myself at home and what not so my brain is not all there cant make a difinitive argument for drk tanks logging off for now


edit: gramer nad punktation

[Saxonian]

Sakka_Valefor, on 25 September 2009 - 12:27 PM, said:

so like i noticed when i go drk/whm to tank things its almost like a pld because i can cure myself which is good so i tried tanking this big monster once he was in the dunes it was this really tough fly well i died because i wasnt subbing whm but if i was i know for a fact we would have won because i could have cured myself it was so leet oh and one more thing i like subbing rdm sometimes too because i can do enspells and blaze spikes which does a lot of dmg to our enemies its so cool omg i havent tried mnk subjob yet i will have to sometime idk though bro idk bro ill just have to get a pt sometime have you tried going subjob beastmaster i mean its okay i guess but if im getting my ass kicked i can always charm the monster were killing so we dont wipe which is always good but whm subjob has reraise which is good when we wipe because i can get up 10-25% of the time unless i forget to put it up you know. lmfao i do sound like a noob lol killing myself at home and what not so my brain is not all there cant make a difinitive argument for drk tanks logging off for now


edit: gramer nad punktation

have u tryed black mage sub can use ice spikes and paralyze the mob and i get more magik atack bonus so my nukes do more damage so i can hold hate better

[Saxonian]

o and warp because cudgels are expensive and its like a free warp home i dont like partying with blms so i dont get warp2

[Maggote]

I'm surprised that no one say any joke about the thread made by madawc saying drk/smn ftw.

[Sakka_Valefor]

Maggote, on 25 September 2009 - 02:21 PM, said:

I'm surprised that no one say any joke about the thread made by madawc saying drk/smn ftw.

u kno i did try /smn once but it didnt work out because it takes too long to cast a carbuncle but if they didnt take to long to cast then i guess it would b okay because theyre good at holding hate like we are and then you got 2 tanks instead of one oh and saxon i did try subbing lbm once but dintdt liek it cuz i didnt have cures but the ice spikes was cool but i like the look of blaze spikes more so it helps me tank more if i go sj rdm with blaze spikes the free warp is nice so if im going to die i just warp out and i stay alive thats a good point ill have to try that more often did anyone here try going sj bard because mazrukz is a good amount of hate its like omg the bomb and then i can do ballad myself so i can kite with mazurka and get mp refresh with ballad its so sweet


omfgmybrainhurts.*

[Altanos]

Eurlin, on 25 September 2009 - 09:04 AM, said:

And the thread was going on so well without stupidity =(

Indeed, is there anyway we can get a Mod to just delete this shit? I really had high hopes for this thread.