[dakpluto]

Alkar, on 15 October 2009 - 04:40 AM, said:

Adjusting the potency of those BPs won't change the fact that you blow all your MPs in one fight due to the perpetuation cost. That's the issue, not the damage.
If we could keep avatars out at any level and they were actually faster and a bit more powerful we'd be completely fine and fit into a DD position. Sadly they decided to severely gimp us so we have to pay a very high price (in MP) for a horrible melee.
No, fixing BPs won't change the fact that SMN is better off casting Cure at low levels than keep an avatar out for 1 fight and having to rest for the second.

Not just low level....all levels.

Hence the reasoning between the dual mode idea. The idea is that the "hasso" mode would allow a SMN to sustain an acceptable level of DoT for a support while still being able to provide buffs and backup healing. Honestly, the idea is to have SMN with an option to stand toe to toe with COR.

[Corrderio]

Alkar, on 15 October 2009 - 04:40 AM, said:

Adjusting the potency of those BPs won't change the fact that you blow all your MPs in one fight due to the perpetuation cost. That's the issue, not the damage.
If we could keep avatars out at any level and they were actually faster and a bit more powerful we'd be completely fine and fit into a DD position. Sadly they decided to severely gimp us so we have to pay a very high price (in MP) for a horrible melee.
No, fixing BPs won't change the fact that SMN is better off casting Cure at low levels than keep an avatar out for 1 fight and having to rest for the second.

There's that to. Which is why it makes no sense to me for SE to add more avatars when there's an issue with SMN that's been around since the job was made.

[JudicatorAldaris]

dakpluto, on 15 October 2009 - 06:34 AM, said:

Not just low level....all levels.

Hence the reasoning between the dual mode idea. The idea is that the "hasso" mode would allow a SMN to sustain an acceptable level of DoT for a support while still being able to provide buffs and backup healing. Honestly, the idea is to have SMN with an option to stand toe to toe with COR.

Balance of course will play a huge factor in that, then again whats balance in this game anyways....

[Alkar]

Well I was talking about low levels simply because that's the point Corr was making. Of course SMN DoT sucks no matter what level you are.
I honestly don't see the point in repeating "new avatars won't change a thing". They may or may not.. the point is I've been waiting for 4 years for them and now I just want them to be added.

[AphriniTheGreat]

Alkar, on 15 October 2009 - 08:33 AM, said:

the point is I've been waiting for 4 years for them and now I just want them to be added.

exactly...it is a pure matter of principle at this point, it is time for them to fuckin pony up. I don't care if it's a fuckin power ranger attack robot or a cuddly midget lawn nome I just need them to keep their promise.

[Lilsoulreaver]

The Site Says "Fine Tuning". A new Avatar is not what I would consider "Fine Tuning"... I'm hoping for some sort of Meditate effect for Avatars since getting TP for magic is pretty much null.

[Demireamer]

i would give up any other update, if SE let a smn /heal with his/her avatar out. sigh

[JudicatorAldaris]

3 days left of POL news, time to start camping windows! One for sure the new item system.

[octoberasian]

I hate to be too optimistic but going by how long it's been since they announced the addition of two avatars; the progression of Wings of the Goddess storyline (or lack thereof); the final addition of the mini-expansion series; and half the team on FFXIV, at "best guess" I would say the next update approximately three months from now at the earliest-- February 2010.

The upcoming November update is only the three Nation [S] storyline quests which tie itself back into the main WotG story. And, not to give any spoilers, the story for WotG has already passed its possible climax and heading towards its resolution. Therefore, if the avatars are in any way related to the WotG expansion, then the storyline of the expansion should give hints or credibility towards the next possible avatars. If they are tied into it in some way, they will be making a major update when the next addition to the WotG mission storyline is introduced in 2010.

*crosses fingers*

[Shirai]

Not to be too optimistic, but they kept Diabolos a secret until the day of the patch too.

The only difference there was that they hadn't announced adding more summons to the game.

[Alkar]

These avatars were announced back when we were at the beginning of the ToAU expansion and last year they clearly hinted at them being added in this period. Let's not forget the recent interview (before July's update) where they said that the new avatars are around the corner. Sorry but everything points at this update.

[JudicatorAldaris]

I'm sure they will announce it Monday, best for last of course. It would be in SE's best interest to do it this update.

-This time next near we will be asking how to use them
-Few patches away (April / July) That's a few!
-Right around the corner during mid July Update

The main one is this time next year, this is last update for this year we won't see another one so Avatars is Come!

P.S. No pop new augment system New Augment System

[Shirai]

So the stove isn't a new avatar

[DarkRift]

I have this feeling the new avatars (if they ever come) revolve around WOTG story line, so maybe the delay is because the story is only so far. Maybe the avatars are introduced at the end of the story line.


This would suck X10 becuase I am only about half way through the missions. I see very few shouts for the missions as well ; ;.

[JudicatorAldaris]

Shirai, on 04 November 2009 - 08:08 AM, said:

So the stove isn't a new avatar

lol when I saw that I was somewhat relived...

[DarkRift]

Stove BP's

Wards:

1. Pot Roast Surprise! Increases parties food duration.

2. Extra Crispy! Imbues weapons with enfire.

3. Stove pot luck! Increases parties HP, and increases charm.

Rages:

1. Stove Slam! Drops a furnice from a 10 story building smashing the enemy. Accuracy increases with buildings near by.

2. Stove Fire! Casts fire levels 1-4 on target. HIgher spell used if tp = 100, 200, or 300


2hr ability

STOVE ESPLOSIONZZS!!!!!

Stove overheats and ESPLOZIONSESSS!!!!! Killing the stove, summoner, parties members, and enemies in range. (cannot kill HNM, AV, PW, or anything of value.)

[Alkar]

There are no avatars in WotG yet. They told us right away that Diabolos, Phoenix and Bahamut were avatars in CoP yet they haven't bothered to explain what Atomos and Cait Sith are.
Atomos doesn't seem to have a plan or anything, he seems to be more like a tool in the enemy's hands.

[spira]

You forgot Stove's Favor: Warmth. Melts Snolls and Ice Elementals in range, and makes Jormungand wet..

[spira]

Alkar, on 04 November 2009 - 11:34 AM, said:

There are no avatars in WotG yet. They told us right away that Diabolos, Phoenix and Bahamut were avatars in CoP yet they haven't bothered to explain what Atomos and Cait Sith are.
Atomos doesn't seem to have a plan or anything, he seems to be more like a tool in the enemy's hands.

Atomos is apparently the great devourer.. he eats stuff indiscriminately.. doesn't have a mind. If FF were a porno, he'd be the one doing the bukkake videos.. but he was summoned by the Cait Sith, who are using him to make sure time works properly. He devours memories from timelines that aren't meant to be (the main one), but that in itself is influencable.

Cait Sith are born from tears of Altana. They're pretty much children of Altana just like we are, but a lot more powerful. We don't know officially how avatars come about or there could be multiple ways.. but Cait Sith existence is different from that of avatars, although they're considered closer to Terrestrial avatars because they serve Altana directly. In other words, they're probably not considered avatars at all. Anyway theres only 1 Cait Sith left in the story.

[DarkRift]

LOL bukkakakakaaaaa


So did you just give something away from the story line? Do more caitsiths die later on? There is only 1 left !!! ;_;