[rambus]

Now I never really took note about this, I always assumed single weather was +10% and double was +25%

now i have reason to believe that the second weather it self is +15% and not a cumulative total.

meaning when you are obi- less in double weather you can get +0 damage, +10%, +15%, +25%

ether that or they did somethign stange to en damage with double weather. when i was in a zone with double earth and fireday i got 20, 23, 25, and 28 damage added.

or do dhalmels have some earth bonus damage taken? i never seen this situation before of ever seeing a 22 damage en hit in double weather.

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nvm i didn't notice my friend was using a terra staff.

en damage of 20 times 1.15= 23
25 times 1.15 = 28 damage

I thought i tesed to see if staffs worked with en spells and thought they didn't but that was long ago and I prob did not understand them fully when i was doing that. This reason and like i said I did not notice my friend using a terra staff.

however i find it strange I did not see the single weather bonus, i wonder if something was changed where that don't happen anymore.

well now you know staff bonus works with en spells, not sure how that be helpful to blms though.

playing with this more, when it moved to winday i never had the winday stack with the earth bonus, it was ether 23 damage ( no bonus) 28 damage ( double weather) or 20 damage (winday penalty). I know people said that before but i thought I would reinforce it.

also I am fairly serten i seen penalties even though i have weather + obi on, like if i cast thunder spell with thunder weather and thunder obi, there is still a chance i will get just the earthday penalty in my damage.

[pathwriter]

Why wouldn't you have a chance to take a penalty for casting Thunder spells on Earthsday? Nothing about elemental obis suppresses negative effects, they just ensure positive ones. Magic Attack Bonus doesn't negate Magic Defense Bonus, Haste doesn't negate Slow (referring to stuff like Hecatomb gear), it's all accumulated in the final equation.

[rambus]

pathwriter, on 18 October 2009 - 07:30 AM, said:

Why wouldn't you have a chance to take a penalty for casting Thunder spells on Earthsday? Nothing about elemental obis suppresses negative effects, they just ensure positive ones. Magic Attack Bonus doesn't negate Magic Defense Bonus, Haste doesn't negate Slow (referring to stuff like Hecatomb gear), it's all accumulated in the final equation.

they don't stack.

you can not get the bonus and the penalty at the same time. That is the reason for seeing if it does or not for obis neglecting day penalty if have the weather.

and apparently you do not get the single weather bonus while in double ( i swear you used too) but you can get a day bonus or a day and weather bonus with both present.

Thought I post this to see if anyone has any extensive testing to show this or otherwise. I know it has been talked about before but very lightly and i do not think no single weather bonus in double was talked about.

[Argettio]

rambus, on 17 October 2009 - 07:59 PM, said:

meaning when you are obi- less in double weather you can get +0 damage, +10%, +15%, +25%

You options are:
-35% (Double opposing weather and opposing day)
-25% (Double opposing weather)
-20% (Opposing weather and Opposing day)
-10% (Opposing weather or Opposing day)
0% (neutral day and weather)
+10% (Matching weather or Matching day)
+15% ( Matching day and Sorcerer's Tonban)
+20% (Matching weather and Matching day)
+25% (Matching Double weather and Matching day OR Matching Day and Matching weather and Sorcerer's Tonban)
+35% (Mathcing Double weather and matching day)

You can not get a proc from 1 of the double weathers, so if you aren't wearing and obi you will either nuke for normal damage or have a chance of +25%, you can't get a +15%without gear/

There is also a chance of "+5% ( Matching day (no proc) and Sorcerer's Tonan)", but that can only happen if you don't have obis.

As for nuking Thunder on thunder day with earth weather present, you will be the +10% constantly from the Thunder day and obi... But you can (and will) still get random earth weather procs (~30%), so you will occasionally get a 0% increase.

This is due to the weather and day bonuses are all additive and in the same stage of the calculations. (-10 + 10 = 0).

I won't add all the possible combinations of positive weather and negative days etc to the list above at it is not really necessary to illustrate the point.

[rambus]

Argettio, on 19 October 2009 - 04:21 AM, said:

You options are:
-35% (Double opposing weather and opposing day)
-25% (Double opposing weather)
-20% (Opposing weather and Opposing day)
-10% (Opposing weather or Opposing day)
0% (neutral day and weather)
+10% (Matching weather or Matching day)
+15% ( Matching day and Sorcerer's Tonban)
+20% (Matching weather and Matching day)
+25% (Matching Double weather and Matching day OR Matching Day and Matching weather and Sorcerer's Tonban)
+35% (Mathcing Double weather and matching day)

You can not get a proc from 1 of the double weathers, so if you aren't wearing and obi you will either nuke for normal damage or have a chance of +25%, you can't get a +15%without gear/

There is also a chance of "+5% ( Matching day (no proc) and Sorcerer's Tonan)", but that can only happen if you don't have obis.

As for nuking Thunder on thunder day with earth weather present, you will be the +10% constantly from the Thunder day and obi... But you can (and will) still get random earth weather procs (~30%), so you will occasionally get a 0% increase.

This is due to the weather and day bonuses are all additive and in the same stage of the calculations. (-10 + 10 = 0).

I won't add all the possible combinations of positive weather and negative days etc to the list above at it is not really necessary to illustrate the point.

that line you quoted was a mistake ( i wonder where or why i was not clear about that) and you lost me with that bold with the point i was making.

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nvm i didn't notice my friend was using a terra staff.

en damage of 20 times 1.15= 23
25 times 1.15 = 28 damage

I thought i tesed to see if staffs worked with en spells and thought they didn't but that was long ago and I prob did not understand them fully when i was doing that. This reason and like i said I did not notice my friend using a terra staff.

however i find it strange I did not see the single weather bonus, i wonder if something was changed where that don't happen anymore.

well now you know staff bonus works with en spells, not sure how that be helpful to blms though.

playing with this more, when it moved to winday i never had the winday stack with the earth bonus, it was ether 23 damage ( no bonus) 28 damage ( double weather) or 20 damage (winday penalty). I know people said that before but i thought I would reinforce it.

also I am fairly serten i seen penalties even though i have weather + obi on, like if i cast thunder spell with thunder weather and thunder obi, there is still a chance i will get just the earthday penalty in my damage.