[Venlo]

The salvage group I currently run with is setup: MNK NIN COR THF RDM WHM, and I've been looking for a BRD and BLM so we can start doing bosses. A friend of one of our members said he'd like to join, but has only WHM and SCH, while our WHM has only WHM leveled. We need a nuker anyway, does anyone think this is a horrible idea, or could it just as easily replace a BLM if we take the time to get a spare JA cell each run?

As far as farming goes I hadn't really seen any problems with it, and for bosses we could have him /drk to make up for the lack of stun, if we need it; so, could it work? Any input would be appreciated.


On a side note: It's been ages since I've done bosses- is discoid stunnable, or would the only boss we'd need stun for be bhaflau, incase we failed to down all ten gears?

[rambus]

Venlo, on 18 October 2009 - 10:32 AM, said:

The salvage group I currently run with is setup: MNK NIN COR THF RDM WHM, and I've been looking for a BRD and BLM so we can start doing bosses. A friend of one of our members said he'd like to join, but has only WHM and SCH, while our WHM has only WHM leveled. We need a nuker anyway, does anyone think this is a horrible idea, or could it just as easily replace a BLM if we take the time to get a spare JA cell each run?

As far as farming goes I hadn't really seen any problems with it, and for bosses we could have him /drk to make up for the lack of stun, if we need it; so, could it work? Any input would be appreciated.


On a side note: It's been ages since I've done bosses- is discoid stunnable, or would the only boss we'd need stun for be bhaflau, incase we failed to down all ten gears?

if you make the sch sub drk they have no magic attack bonus trait and stoneskin to protect them.

so a SCH/DRK would under perform a BLM because of that, but the damage can still be decent with ebullience.

SCH can nuke like a blm, even out perform it if they sub RDM for MAB and all the support stuff on floor 1 be nice since it can make the team not take damage while adding en spell help

they can sub blm for 4 mab over rdm but this makes them lack stoneskin, blink, enfeebling magic and so forth. (/rdm gives 20 MAB and /blm gives 24 MAB)

i have not done salvage in a while but having stun is nice, to stun gear heal move and some final NM move but been too long to try remember names anymore

[pathwriter]

How are you not able to do bosses with that setup? I suppose it's the Ninja. Replace them with a heavier DD if they're not able to bring enough pain to the table. Warrior, Monk, Samurai, Dragoon... hell, bring a Puppetmaster, they're quite strong in Salvage.

Scholar beats the pants off White Mage, too, and I hate saying that since I play White Mage. Accession and Stoneskin are far more helpful than Stun for dealing with Discoid. Also, Enspells are huge DPS increases for lower floors if you can afford to give a JA and SJ cell to the Scholar early. Stun isn't worthwhile, especially not with all you lose from subbing Red Mage. If you really need someone to nuke for damage, a Scholar is going to do well, but you really oughtn't need magic damage, period.

Speaking personally, I'd replace the Corsair with a Bard, though. Haste is substantially more important for bosses than whatever a Corsair can roll there.

[Venlo]

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How are you not able to do bosses with that setup?

It's not that we're unable to do them, it's that we're a relatively new group and haven't tried them yet; I wanted to have a near-perfect setup and have broken in our members before giving them a try.

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I suppose it's the Ninja. Replace them with a heavier DD if they're not able to bring enough pain to the table.

Ninja does quite well, actually; at least, ours does, aside from lacking haidate, has decent gear and full katana merits.

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Speaking personally, I'd replace the Corsair with a Bard, though. Haste is substantially more important for bosses than whatever a Corsair can roll there.

The plan was to have both in the main party, once we can find a reliable bard.

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Scholar beats the pants off White Mage, too, and I hate saying that since I play White Mage. Accession and Stoneskin are far more helpful than Stun for dealing with Discoid. Also, Enspells are huge DPS increases for lower floors if you can afford to give a JA and SJ cell to the Scholar early.

The main reason I wanted to have stun available was really Homing Missile, just in case we got unlucky with pulls, or something, and ended up with a boss that had stunnable hate reset.

[Yhelothur]

Path's not joking, get rid of the Ninja. They're not going to compete with what a SAM or a MNK can put out, much less a WAR. I go with a SAM/DRK(Apoc)/THF/BRD/WHM/RDM setup, and we haven't lost a single boss. Something else needs to change, and the only weak point I see is the NIN unless your mages are underskilled. Salvage isn't for the weak, and if you want to do your best, have your NIN on something else. Full Katana merits mean nothing when a SAM that knows their job could walk up with a Tomoe and nothing else on, and do more damage. They'd take more, sure, but that shouldn't be an issue if they're playing right.


Long story short, ditch the NIN.

[NervosaEternal]

Yhelothur, on 22 October 2009 - 01:07 AM, said:

Path's not joking, get rid of the Ninja. They're not going to compete with what a SAM or a MNK can put out, much less a WAR. I go with a SAM/DRK(Apoc)/THF/BRD/WHM/RDM setup, and we haven't lost a single boss. Something else needs to change, and the only weak point I see is the NIN unless your mages are underskilled. Salvage isn't for the weak, and if you want to do your best, have your NIN on something else. Full Katana merits mean nothing when a SAM that knows their job could walk up with a Tomoe and nothing else on, and do more damage. They'd take more, sure, but that shouldn't be an issue if they're playing right.


Long story short, ditch the NIN.

wars,sams and mnks for tanks ftw

sch is a nice idea though, never know when you might need one

[Venlo]

NIN will be switched to PUP when possible, then; so really at this point trying to determine whether it would be more beneficial to have COR's extra buffs on two mages, and leave the SCH in the off party, or just have the COR switch to SAM instead of picking up a 9th to replace NIN as an offtank.

Considering the above, which setup would be better, then?:
MNK WAR BRD COR WHM RDM / THF SCH PUP, or
MNK SAM BRD SCH WHM RDM / THF PUP

edit: Also, I believe the WHM is currently working on his BLM, so we should soon have the option of simply making the SCH the main healer and swapping in the BLM.

[evilpaul]

pathwriter, on 18 October 2009 - 01:12 PM, said:

Scholar beats the pants off White Mage, too, and I hate saying that since I play White Mage. Accession and Stoneskin are far more helpful than Stun for dealing with Discoid. Also, Enspells are huge DPS increases for lower floors if you can afford to give a JA and SJ cell to the Scholar early. Stun isn't worthwhile, especially not with all you lose from subbing Red Mage. If you really need someone to nuke for damage, a Scholar is going to do well, but you really oughtn't need magic damage, period.

WHM/DRK ftw? (No idea if the bosses are stun resistant or not. )