[Alkar]

Composure's drawback is really not that huge, same applies to Yonin and Innin. People like to jump the gun on this and speculate the worst scenario ever. For all we know these effects are exactly like buffs and when you release the avatar the Favor stays in place for a while (5-10 mins) so you can cycle 2-3 of them depending on the time required to reach the peak. Granted that the English version is vague but this is what I get from the article.
The avatar weakness is not specified and people all over are talking like this ability will turn all our BPs into crap and it won't be worth using... honestly I don't think that's the case.
If the buffs stay active for a while we'll make BLMs really happy though lol, Shiva's Favor+ Diabolos's Favor+ Leviathan's Favor (depending on duration/time to charge) sounds quite amazing.
It's too early to scrap avatars off the list, we should be getting them this update if what SE said last year can still be considered true.

[Koryuu]

what bothers me is that whatever negative effect this will have it will be forced upon us
any self respecting Smn will be pressured by their party to use favors and put up with whatever detriminal effect
what narks me is that I went through a lot of meriting to do nice damage with Merit BP's only to have this thrown at me
Im not ungrateful but I am worried

[Tzaellia]

Oh shit, I think I pretty much called this!

Avatars with Auras. Yup, I think I did.

[img]http://http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TZ60-72xZZk/SiaTlciHkgI/AAAAAAAAB6I/rTT-mMBoaM0/s400/Happy_Dance.jpg[/img]

Reference: (looking for it)

[Jaceric]

This is win x 10

[Auraeon]

Koryuu, on 21 October 2009 - 12:40 PM, said:

what bothers me is that whatever negative effect this will have it will be forced upon us
any self respecting Smn will be pressured by their party to use favors and put up with whatever detriminal effect
what narks me is that I went through a lot of meriting to do nice damage with Merit BP's only to have this thrown at me
Im not ungrateful but I am worried

The plain fact of the matter is, we don't know how Avatars are weakened yet. It could just be physical BP:Rage that is weakened, making room for these 'Favors' to greatly enhance SMN's ability to deal significant DoT damage and magical damage.

Having a free Ifrit that has a 40% change of Double Attacking on both his melee attacks and his full-power three-hit Flaming Crush would be a tad overpowered. Having a free Ifrit that has a 40% chance of Double Attacking on melee attacks and on a severely weakened Flaming Crush, is much more realistic. Especially because speeding up melee attacks is the easiest way to enhance magical damage output for Avatars, using TP gain. Therefore, SE kills two birds with one stone. Enhanced DoT damage, and easier magic damage boost.

I think this sounds like it will be implemented well. Although that wont convince me to return to the game, I am excited that the Summoner job finally has more use than a few decent BPs out of nearly a hundred useless ones.

I can already see Ramuh being used for Ninja damage dealers, and Leviathan for landing enfeebles from any job very reliably on pretty much anything.

Aside from not knowing exactly how Avatars will be weakened by this ability, the only other thing I am concerned with is how long it will take for the 'Favor Bonus' to reach it's full potential. If it takes five minutes, the same amount of time as the recast of the ability, it could pretty much destroy the entire concept.

[Koryuu]

wheres this 40% comming from?
lucky cor roll is 12% and thats at max
and free ifrit is only when you 2hr and I doubt this JA would give us -4 perp and even then you would need all the -perp gear which is neither free cheap or easy
Also I think we are expecting too much thinking that avatars would benefit from favors aswell especially since they are giving up strength to buff the party, Diabolos wouldnt even benefit from his
and yes I realise the specific details of how the avatars are weakened arnt known but the fact of the matter is we will be using Avatars Favor regardless, it would be like a cor that didnt buff so he could focus on DD/Pulling it wouldnt happen or happen for long anyways
atm Im praying that weakend just means lower HP which would make damn good sense, lower HP = more likely to die = favor reset

[Auraeon]

Haha, I was just coming back to change that to ~18%. I was confusing Automaton's Coiler attachment with Corsair's Fighter's Roll. I haven't played the game in awhile.


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and free ifrit is only when you 2hr and I doubt this JA would give us -4 perp and even then you would need all the -perp gear which is neither free cheap or easy

Your math fails, and your SMN must fail even more if you can't get perpetuation gear. None of it is difficult to get. Now if ACP body or Summoner's Horn were an Abjuration from one of the original HNM kings, I could respect what you're saying a tad more. The most difficult piece of SMN gear to get is Bahamut's Staff, and you can buy that from an LS for less than a SAM pays for a Hagun.

My SMN was fully geared and I rarely ever touched it. It wasn't even one of my main jobs.

[Byrthnoth]

It's really too bad Garuda's Favor is Evasion instead of Haste.

[DarkRift]

Byrthnoth, on 21 October 2009 - 02:02 PM, said:

It's really too bad Garuda's Favor is Evasion instead of Haste.

I am a little happy it isnt all that fantastic. I want to be able to use other avatars for a change.

[Auraeon]

Byrthnoth, on 21 October 2009 - 02:02 PM, said:

It's really too bad Garuda's Favor is Evasion instead of Haste.

Or Accuracy. Imagine Hastega + Accuracy boost... that'd be hawt.

[JudicatorAldaris]

Tzaellia, on 21 October 2009 - 01:05 PM, said:

Oh shit, I think I pretty much called this!

Avatars with Auras. Yup, I think I did.

[img]http://http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TZ60-72xZZk/SiaTlciHkgI/AAAAAAAAB6I/rTT-mMBoaM0/s400/Happy_Dance.jpg[/img]

Reference: (looking for it)

Yeah I sent SE similuar info about the aura effects for Avatar one being Alexander with TP HP MP reg etc.

I'm sure plenty other people have said this as well.

Hope they go though with more than that.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, two things concern me:
1) If you're dismissing and resummoning Ifrit every 2.5-3 minutes to give Hastega then who knows how potent the DA "Favor" will be (because it grows over time).
2) If the Favor is lost every time you dismiss/resummon then you'd only be able to use it every 2 Hastega rounds due to its 5 minute recast.

This makes summoner a better meleeburn healer and makes Ifrit's Bow slightly better, but it probably won't break the job unless Favors take about 30 seconds to charge to full and don't wear off when you Dismiss. Refresh from Diabolos is cool on manaburned/kited monsters, not that I can think of any.

If I could reassign the Favors irrespective of elements/etc, it'd be:
Garuda - DA/Pet DA :: Garuda would just stay out during meleeburn. Summoner in the party would mean Hastega (so everyone doesn't always get Haste if they're dicking around and out of range) but +15% DA. It'd also be sweet on Predator Claws.
Leviathan - Acc/Pet Acc :: Levi is the pet used in situations where you need Acc anyway, but this way only one guy would have to use Levi and the rest could use Garuda.
Ifrit - Atk/Ratk/Pet Atk :: Mostly for ranger parties.
Diabolos - MAB/Pet MAB :: Nether blast is influenced by MAB and used on kited monsters with high M.Evasion. Also, could stack it with Dream Shroud this way.
Fenrir - Refresh :: If it's potent enough, this could make Fenrir the new Carby?

[Sotose]

Evane, on 21 October 2009 - 06:35 AM, said:

I think it will be like Light Arts. Reduces Prep Cost by a percentage.. 20% maybe?

That would be really retarded to do percentages when you are dealing with numbers less than 10.

Also, I'm really glad SMN got something but saying it is a buff job now or being way excited on your fancy new aura's may be jumping the gun a little should at least wait to see how it actually works. I mean you still gotta rest for mp and buff your party accordingly. If anything I'm sort of forecasting a new era of noob SMN's that won't hastega because they want to keep their dps and buff up with a different avatar.

I'll wait till the update to make my final judgement though.

[Lilsoulreaver]

I'm sorry, I'm not very impressed. Looks to me like if a party or engame event is lacking in bards or cors, we'll get the call. Which means do what? We'll have to call our avatars out and stand there. No one is going to want us to use our blood pacts, weakened or not, because it will drain our MP. With no MP, no avatar, no avatar, no effect. Even with a perpetuation cost down. Solo'n SMN's get a huge boost with Shiva as I have 5/5 Heavanly Strike, so the MAB will be nice. Diabolos getting refresh to me is pretty lame. I get to sit in the blm party in dynamis with diabolos out and do what with him, use nether blast? Yay, 500 damage every minute. Again, 5/5 heavanly strike! This is a great update for endgame parties or merit parties, but I think for the actual player of the SMN. It does very little in terms of making the job more exciting.

[Tikki]

I do have one more concern. Dynamis. Things die fast. Sometimes faster than I can assault. I'm also healing. I suppose I'd be worried about nabbing hate on things, avatar going off to do its own thing against them, breaking sleeps, etc.

[Alkar]

In Dynamis you should be in the BLM pt with these buffs. Melees are better off with BRD.

[Auraeon]

Sounds like Carbuncle might be even more useful now. Full-time MP-free party Regenga effect. Should be nice when you'd have Carbuncle out anyway.


OH SNAP! I just thought of something....

I wonder if Avatar favors affect everyone in range in Campaign like BP:Ward does......... o_O

[Koryuu]

Auraeon, on 21 October 2009 - 01:52 PM, said:

Your math fails, and your SMN must fail even more if you can't get perpetuation gear. None of it is difficult to get. Now if ACP body or Summoner's Horn were an Abjuration from one of the original HNM kings, I could respect what you're saying a tad more. The most difficult piece of SMN gear to get is Bahamut's Staff, and you can buy that from an LS for less than a SAM pays for a Hagun.

My SMN was fully geared and I rarely ever touched it. It wasn't even one of my main jobs.

Wow if I said something to offend then Im sorry but theres no need to be a jerk
Also my math doesnt fail and neither does Spira's check page 1 unconditional -perp gear drops avatars to 4mp/tick (not counting karura for garuda) more discussion less argument kthx
I think our definitions of easy are different mine is where you walk to the AH and buy it how you get gil doesnt matter its the fact that its as simple as clicking the AH instead of joining an LS for weeks/months waiting in line and lotting against people
What with Astral burning being increasingly popular competition for Nashira Hands AF+1 materials and Relic armor went way up I was lucky to get Limbus sorted before AB got popular but Ive been sat lotting against people with no clue or care in dynamis hell one person lotted relic hands -1 and never upgraded them because he wanted to NPC store his set
just 1 fyi though I have all the -perp gear that counts and Im currently working on 344 Smn Skill (333 atm need Bstaff Marduk Crown/legs/feet or oracles legs and nashira feet) which would be a lot easier if I had the free time to do more events then I already am so less epeen stabs please

I admit Garuda's favor could be better but garuda is already the best imo PClaws + Hastega + 30min Blink plus Curaga for emergencys and if you merit wind blade you build TP faster then any other avatar so quicker max TP Wind Blades so really this wouldnt be bad for a Nin or /nin tank. Fenrirs acc/eva buff then swap to garuda hastega + keep out

[Auraeon]

Sorry, I really did sound like an ass. I dunno what I was thinking when I posted that. Please forgive me. :<

[Kyte]

Fuck! now I really want a Shiva's Shotel ;_;

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If it takes five minutes, the same amount of time as the recast of the ability, it could pretty much destroy the entire concept.

this statement confuses me