[Konda]

From strictly a Tanking point of View, there is 2 things that I'd like to point out here....

1) NIN can now hit -50% physical damage reduction without a D,ring.

2) NIN now has access to +movement speed during the day.


Discuss.

[Amastacia]

Pretty sexy, but it's only an extra 1% over Darksteel Sub. +1.

I love the movement speed during the day, but having SAM at 75 makes it a borderline no-brainer (though I think the NIN piece looks a lot better than the SAM one).

[Aliadim]

Amastacia, on 29 October 2009 - 02:51 PM, said:

Pretty sexy, but it's only an extra 1% over Darksteel Sub. +1.

I love the movement speed during the day, but having SAM at 75 makes it a borderline no-brainer (though I think the NIN piece looks a lot better than the SAM one).

Only!? You're not wearing a subligar any more! That's like +<insanely high number> in my book.

[shadowdereapz]

^ He does make a point!

[Amastacia]

This is what you get for picking a race with freaky thighs.

Or rather, what I get for listening to the Brady guide and picking Mithra. Practically half naked all the time anyway, after a while you just get used to it.

[Konda]

I've lived this long without +movement on SAM, I'm sure I can live a little longer.

hitting -50% without a Dring ad without gimpy subligars is a pretty big deal along with daytime +movement.

It helps close he gap between PLD and NIN. All NIN really needs now is a little more -magic equipment or some form of "Shield Mastery" for casting Ichi.

[_Vivik_]

+movement with HP+25 Enmity+4
or
+movement with phys dmg take -4%

Are the 2 i am considering if i take these pants for tanking.

But i can see Haste and Acc as a viable way to for Nin that
do not have BH yet. Still am debating for what job to get these
pants for.

[Nattack]

movement + dr = kite trousers

parachute pants if you will.

[NikosThePLDMan]

Anyone else think it was hammer time when you saw those pants?

[Amastacia]

Konda, on 29 October 2009 - 07:51 PM, said:

I've lived this long without +movement on SAM, I'm sure I can live a little longer.

hitting -50% without a Dring ad without gimpy subligars is a pretty big deal along with daytime +movement.

It helps close he gap between PLD and NIN. All NIN really needs now is a little more -magic equipment or some form of "Shield Mastery" for casting Ichi.

I don't think 1% more -pdt is closing the gap much, to be honest. Magic damage is still an issue, self-sufficiency is still an issue, and significantly higher requirements in gear/attention/skill/experience to match a competent PLD is still an issue.

The last one doesn't bother me so much as an individual (since I have plenty of all 4 at this point), but it sets a barrier to entry - you need to be a great NIN to match up to a good PLD. The worst part is that the same amount of gear/attention/skill/experience applied to PLD just pushes them up higher. Cure swaps, Atonement used properly, and all the equivalent gear swaps to NIN rolled together make for one beastly tank.

[Nattack]

Waltz -5 is an interesting one, but i guess if you're in the business of never getting hit you're not going to need it.

[draugo]

IDK I think imma go with the movement and evasion. Aside from ninja hakama I don't have 7 evasion for that slot, so it will make a really sexy last edition to my evasion setup with the added speed, I would prefer that to the -pd while kiting cuz it means slower shadow loss. I like the look of the pants too, call me crazy. I already have 40% in my defense setup anyway and save that for when shadows are down.

[richardd]

konda go take a pic with our elvaan model and lemme see what it looks like in def gear!

[Konda]

I will when I get home... the subligar is pretty awesome though!

I'm currently using this http://www.ffxiah.co...ts.php?id=93694

waiting on dst feet+1 to get crafted for me.

[TresDuendes]

i dont post here much but i've been wondering, wouldnt bqr be more efficient at retaining enmity while being struck vs patronus?

[pathwriter]

I can't speak for serious Ninja players, but my defensive kit is so that I survive the hits I'm taking. Enmity is a secondary or tertiary concern.

[Konda]

TresDuendes, on 07 November 2009 - 09:47 PM, said:

i dont post here much but i've been wondering, wouldnt bqr be more efficient at retaining enmity while being struck vs patronus?

As it is, my set is a little low on HP. It's something I'm looking to improve but I'm somewhat relucant to drop 8-900k on a gigant mantle when I'm 14/15 on usukane and saving up for ingots.

All of my other sets have ~1400, but this one is only 1333 without food. maxing hp beyond that though is kinda pointless just to mainain a few emnity as NIN doesnt have any problems with hate, whereas survivability is much more paramount without the crutch of shield mastery/sential/reprisal/invincable. As such, I'd rather focus on minimising the damage that i recieve when shadows are down.

Furthermore, you can get HP in pretty much any slot, whereas you can only get -dmg in a few.

[_Vivik_]

Konda, on 08 November 2009 - 09:19 AM, said:

NIN doesnt have any problems with hate!

Are you kidding? 2days ago i was tanking Nin/Drk and with x3 stun+ yonin + as much hate as possible with out loosing haste... i lost hate to a single 600 Bliz IV, i turned it back on me with some effort, but still, enmity+ should not be neglected for phys dmg-

[Konda]

you just suck then.

when I tank omega, BLMs try and pull with freeze 2, and I can normally hold it through that, and most of the following volley....

[_Vivik_]