[.Sotek.]

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If it means there will just be a bazaar item then fine. I have no real problem seeing crafters make money. The problem I see is that this is SE's way to get everyone to craft something to 100. If you don't have a craft at 100 then you are not going to be able to get in on leveling the Synergy craft, which you will also have to skill up to a hundred.

Fucking hell read the notice.

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Certain synergy recipes demand expertise in specific synthesis disciplines

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Yeah, Aquillo's with MAB+4 on it is nice, but after how many attempts do you need to spend to get it? I saw a guy try 14 staves and got shit on each of them. Granted, Aquillo's aren't as expensive as the other staves, but they're still not cheap either. The guy wasted a few mil for squat. Having a more controlled system like this without throwing negative stats our way was brilliant, but it comes at a heavier cost. That's how augment's should have been. That's why it failed.

Fucking hell. What are you trying to argue here? Because all I said is that the possible stats Augments could give you were great. Yes, some of them suck, but I'm not arguing that they didn't. I'm arguing that if you can pick your bleeding stats the whole fucking system is fixed, which is exactly what Synergy lets you do.

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If you have a 100 craft and can't "profit" off it more than just a steady income, something's wrong.

You clearly have no understanding of how crafting works, sorry.

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So basically you're saying that you don't want any kind of augments or sockets to exist. And don't argue, that's exactly what you want.

I don't want a system that lets you easily make cheap gear better than HQ gear. You have no idea how many people who now think it's ok to buy NQ gear and Augment it to be better than the HQ I saw. If I can profit off this I have no issues though.
The resulted gear shouldn't be (Aug), though, if it could be bazaar'd this system would be completely fine. And yes, needing more people for it is a issue. I just think you're all blowing it way out of proportion though. It's no where near as fucking bad as you're making it out to be. Until I see the possible stats we can put on it fall far short of expectations, Synergy remains a great idea. I'm not going to explain why I doubt the stats will fail for fear of invoking another pointless argument about Augments.

[Aleera]

.Sotek., on 06 November 2009 - 09:59 PM, said:

Fucking hell. What are you trying to argue here? Because all I said is that the possible stats Augments could give you were great. Yes, some of them suck, but I'm not arguing that they didn't. I'm arguing that if you can pick your bleeding stats the whole fucking system is fixed, which is exactly what Synergy lets you do.

Some of them suck? Most of them did. Most of them negated every positive stat on the gear you were trying to augment. Once in a blue moon you'd get lucky and hit a good staff with MAB+4 on it or Foragers with +5 acc on it, but in the meantime you're shelling out tons of gil and gear to get it. The Evolith system will prevent that (hopefully) but the enhancements don't even look half as good as what's being shown so far.. if SE wants to get our attention with it, they should've shown better stat enhancements. This is why augments failed; because they lacked control and wasted time and gil, and evolith may possibly follow in it's footsteps if the stats you achieve are nothing short of amazing. I just hope you're right and when this system comes out it atones for the augment systems failure.

.Sotek., on 06 November 2009 - 09:59 PM, said:

You clearly have no understanding of how crafting works, sorry.

You clearly have no understanding how profiting works, sorry.

[Jurojin]

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You clearly have no understanding how profiting works, sorry.

When augmenting shit you don't do so in order to profit off it (AS YOU CAN'T FUCKING SELL IT)

You do so to get better gear for YOURSELF

IF YOUR PROFIT HAPPENS TO BE -GIL AND +GEAR THEN OK BUT IN THE WORLD WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN PROFIT = +MONEY OR +VALUABLES


inb4caps=pissed

[.Sotek.]

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You clearly have no understanding how profiting works, sorry.

I know how to profit. I jack prices up at any given time, I farm most of my synth items. Fuck, I don't do Cursed gear unless I get Divine Logs for free (that's 300k profit on NQ and 10M profit on HQ, but I have more chance getting a Kraken Club to drop than HQing that, I'm sure you know which is worth more). That still doesn't change the fact that shit does not sell fast enough or that HQ rates are retarded. Let alone the fact that people love to undercut buy 100k at a time.
Fuck, Cursed synths are quite possibly the only thing thats profitable to me at this point and they take fucking months to sell. I'd have to get very lucky on Staves for them to be worth it. A 25% HQ rate has left all of them being a 100k profit at best, most aren't even profitable anymore. And if you think shihei, bloodwood or bolts are anything more than a steady source of income you're a fucking retard.

[Aleera]

Jurojin, on 07 November 2009 - 12:27 AM, said:

When augmenting shit you don't do so in order to profit off it (AS YOU CAN'T FUCKING SELL IT)

You do so to get better gear for YOURSELF

IF YOUR PROFIT HAPPENS TO BE -GIL AND +GEAR THEN OK BUT IN THE WORLD WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN PROFIT = +MONEY OR +VALUABLES


inb4caps=pissed

You completely missed my point by a long shot, but good effort.



And Sotek, if you know how to profit, then you shouldn't have to complain that SE should do more for you for leveling a craft to 100. That's all I'm sayin'.

[Jurojin]

No, I have not missed your point. If so, learn to properly express yourself.

I don't know which is more ridiculous, the fact you talk about profiting as if you had the slightest idea (set of NQ staves, NQ Haub, NQ everything, seeing augments related to profit for the person augmenting, etc.) or the fact you watch Naruto.

Both of those render anything you say meaningless, without even further pointing out.



And Aleera, if you know how to profit, you shouldn't be wearing shit that's been severely trumped by my first char during the spike inflation.

[.Sotek.]

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And Sotek, if you know how to profit, then you shouldn't have to complain that SE should do more for you for leveling a craft to 100. That's all I'm sayin'.

When the fuck was I complaining? I was happy I can get people to pay me for doing this Synergy horseshit for them. It's a potential crafting fix.
Sure I was complaining at Crafting as it is, but if you think it's fine as it is and completely worth the time and money it takes to level, you clearly have no understanding of how crafting works.

[Jurojin]

all jobs naked maat's cap

[Aleera]

Jurojin, on 07 November 2009 - 12:52 AM, said:

No, I have not missed your point. If so, learn to properly express yourself.

I don't know which is more ridiculous, the fact you talk about profiting as if you had the slightest idea (set of NQ staves, NQ Haub, NQ everything, seeing augments related to profit for the person augmenting, etc.) or the fact you watch Naruto.

Both of those render anything you say meaningless, without even further pointing out.



And Aleera, if you know how to profit, you shouldn't be wearing shit that's been severely trumped by my first char during the spike inflation.

Ok, who the fuck are you and how do you know so much about me without me knowing you? What the fuck does what I do in my personal time in RL have anything to do with the argument at hand and how do you know what I use is "severely trumped" by whatever your char wears? I was making a point about profiting off crafting, not augments you slick shit. I know you can't sell augmented items, I said NOTHING about NQ staves, haubs or anything of the sort, so what the fuck are you babbling about?

[Jurojin]

Well you don't deny that all you wear is NQ trash, you're sporting an Are's Cuirass in your sig and yet you don't own one.

Probably never will either as you can't even seem to afford a HQ Swordbelt for your gimp equip sets.


Narutard is called so for a good reason.

[Aleera]

Excuse me... I have 3/3 on my ares body, with about half the ingots sitting in my safe for your information, so I will have it soon. I consider my sig a motivator and so that I don't have to redo it again when I do get it. I have full homam and most of my other gear is r/e and good. You don't even fucking know me to make those accusations, so fuck off. Unless you've actually seen my gear to be able to put it down, you have no grounds for your grossly delusional insults. And again, what I do in my own time has no connotation to my argument. Just because you don't like what I like doesn't make me any less of a person than you, so get off your fucking high horse.

[Jurojin]

http://www.ffxiah.co...70245#equip_log


ninja edit to make things clear: not good

[Aleera]

LOL Way to stalk me there, chief. Big deal, you looked at my gear on my SMN, but you don't know a thing about my other jobs. And I wouldn't exactly call that gimp, either. I don't know what your problem is with me, but you need to drop it fast, cause you're a fucking idiot if you base all my gear off that. I didn't know you had gear better than homam, ares, and whatever else back in 05. That's fucking impressive. Some of that stuff didn't even exist back then. You sir, are an excellent troll.


Also, "all jobs naked maat's cap" back before the inflation in 05? You're calling me a loser when you had that back in 05?! You fucking serious? You must've had a lot of free time on your hands you fucking nobody to have that back then. Come back when you can seriously insult me.

[Jurojin]

http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=370245#equip_log

This baby has all your shit listed and not just your SMN.

You do NOT own Ares and judging by everything you have and the crap you give away , 6/12 ingots are not anywhere close to done , for you.

I've had 1 job only back then , a second around the start of 2006 , and yeah I've had alot better gear than this. Including the full set of HQ Staves, HQ Hauby and whatnot.

Oh, and seeing how I've BLMd Limbus to sell Ancient Beastcoins at well over 600k a pop gives me a hint of existence of Homam.

[Aleera]

Good for you, I'm real happy. I really am. You want a prize for it? I hear they give out Nobel peace prizes for just about anything now, I'll go get you one. But why do you feel the need to harp on my gear? You did notice I had flame rings, cuch. mantle and other notable pieces in there as well, right? Not just looking at some shitty NQ gear I bought for leveling some jobs here and there when I didn't feel like spending millions I don't have on them or when the HQ's weren't available and I didn't want it to hinder my leveling waiting for them. I didn't realize the only way to be "good" was to have every single fucking piece of gear white boxed or +1'd, but I guess that's elitists for ya. Most of the shitty gear you see in there was just temporary while I leveled most of my jobs, this system doesn't show you when or how I used each piece.


PS: 6/12 ingots is pretty close to done, considering I've been using LS points to obtain gear to sell for ingots, it wont take me long to get the other 6, kthx. Your arguments have no true evidence, just assumptions you make based on that website. When you've actually seen me in person and can judge me, then come argue, otherwise stop derailing this thread with your bullshit. I hate arguing with no-life trolls.

[Jurojin]

I've seen a ruby ring yeah , and in no way is a Flame Ring or Cuchulain's Mantle a notable piece of gear.

+1 = White boxed, I don't see why you would say the same thing twice, other than being obviously confused as in how to "save" yourself from the fact of how much of a moron you are.

Last I recall you've started derailing this thread with your profiting bullcrap, which relying on an LS in no way is.

I don't feel any need to bash your gear, hey, WHEN I'VE STARTED THE GAME, I didn't instantly have everything either. I'm just pointing out how much of a bag of shit you are for talking about profits while you don't have a single notable piece of equip nor any resource other than whoring your LS out of making gil, or calling me out for derailing after you've hit the obvious wall of your idiocy.

I have as much life as I want to have and am damn happy with it, though I don't recall the time when pointing anyone out as a no-lifer on a forum was a considerable argument or point of value. In fact the only thing I seem to remember about this would be every single person dropping on such a level to be a 15 , maybe 16 year old Naruto watching clown.

[Aleera]

White box is a HQ item but isn't always labeled as +1, you idiot. Garnet ring and puissance ring for example. It doesn't become a garnet ring +1, does it? But enough about semantics..

My "profiting" speech came from talking about crafting, which we were talking about crafting being related to the synergy system, so no, I didn't derail the thread first. Everyone makes gil in their own way. Some of us farm for it, some of us craft for it, some of us fish for it, some of us BC/KS/IS/ENM for it. It's all about putting effort into earning what you make. I put the effort into LS events, I use my points however I wish to, and I make gil off of it. You, in no way, have any right to look down on me for it because it wasn't your method of making gil. And in no way does it mean I don't know anything about profiting from other things. What Sotek mentioned above about how he makes profit is exactly what I would've said, the only reason I said he didn't know how to profit from it is because he made it out to sound way less than what it was, or at least that's how I perceived his message. For that I apologize to Sotek, and move on.

You don't feel the need to bash my gear? You posted my profile here calling my gear gimp. I'd say that's bashing my gear, you ignorant, stupid fuck. Way to be a hypocrite there. I'm sorry I don't live up to your standards in a fucking video game, I play how I damn well please without cockfags like you telling me how I should.

Again, why do you give a fuck what I watch outside of here? A lot of people read the manga and watch the anime, not just me. I don't give a fuck what you think about me or what I do outside of this forum, but it's obviously just your own opinion calling me a fucking clown for it, as it has no fucking relevance to anything that goes on here, EVER. So keep your fucking stupid ass opinion to yourself. It's a fucking anime. Get over it and stop trying to use it as something against me.


I'm out..

[Jurojin]

HQ#1 = +1 = white?

Go try to craft if you think it's easy to make gil out of it and unrelated to 500% luck.

I'm not bashing you directly for your gear, but I've covered this aspect in my previous post. I suggest you learn to read.

If you don't get the hint of how ridiculously dumb Naruto is then fine, though how many times are you going to tell me an anime is unrelated to FFXI ? Try seeing the whole painting for a change.


As you appear to be a kid still, here's a hint: Shut the fuck up when the grown ups are talking and try to learn.

[Corrderio]

Good show

[NinjaGorge]

I have to agree with Aleera. Jurojin, I don't know what any of your points have anything to do with the previous discussion or the thread's topic.