[dakpluto]

Remember my "Worst case scenerio" I mentioned for this?

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But the "worst case" I'm looking at is this:

Refresh favor takes ~ 3 minutes to reach full effect of 3 MP. (Even siphon becomes a hefty loss) Cost is lowered so with one other refresh in the party (RDM/BRD/COR) and normal full perp reduction we have 2~3 MP refresh a tick. So looking at 40~60 MP recovered between Nether Blast if not using any timer reduction. If full reduction, recover 30~45 MP between BPs. If BPs are reduced to Nether blast goes from the normal unmerited 507 to say.....450. At 109 MP cost that reduces it to 4.12 damage per MP from the normal 4.6, basically full half point per MP. In the grand scheme, in this scenerio, it is next to worthless to BP with Diabolos out. If the favor Refresh counts in the formula as Auto refresh. Now, hopefully it won't be anywhere near this. Again this is only a worst case speculation.

I wasn't far off.........

[Laverna]

dakpluto, on 09 November 2009 - 03:11 PM, said:

OK, this 5 minute timer? Is that bound to each avatar or all of them? Is it reset upon release?

AKA, If I summon diabolos, hit favor, keep him out for 2 minutes, release, then summon Garuda, will I have favor available?

Favor stays on as long as u Dont die or Zone. U dont have to keep activating it every time u summon a new avatar. Each avatar bonus u get is a new icon.

[dakpluto]

Dr. Ifto, on 09 November 2009 - 03:13 PM, said:

Favor will still be active on you, but you dont have the other summons bonus on you, so you if you summoned diabolos for refres then unsummoned him, the refresh is gone but favor is still on you

so if I then summon Garuda, it automatically summons with Favor? So if I want maxed p.claws or Wind Blade I have to click it off.....wait 3 minutes, and then it will be back?


OH FUCK YOU SE. So we've gone from 45 seconds to 5 minutes on BPs in a support role......GREAT FUCKING GAME.

[DarkRift]

Dr. Ifto, on 09 November 2009 - 03:13 PM, said:

Favor will still be active on you, but you dont have the other summons bonus on you, so you if you summoned diabolos for refres then unsummoned him, the refresh is gone but favor is still on you

So.... the favor icon is still there, but it does nothing?


I dont understand why you still have favor up, after you release.

[Kandinsky]

Laverna, on 09 November 2009 - 03:15 PM, said:

Favor stays on as long as u Dont die or Zone. U dont have to keep activating it every time u summon a new avatar. Each avatar bonus u get is a new icon.

Ok, thats kinda nice i guess.

[Laverna]

dakpluto, on 09 November 2009 - 03:14 PM, said:

Remember my "Worst case scenerio" I mentioned for this?



I wasn't far off.........

its not 3 mins for Full refresh Btw with my test took 1 min to go from 1mp to 3mp a tick, hm one sec also i had said i was getting all avatars at 1mp a tic i noticed Ramuh im getting 4 at best. But stuff like Titan and Shiva was 1. That is odd i May be doing something wrong I have to go to work test more later.

[Alkar]

You get two icons: one from the JA and one for the favor itself. Once you dismiss an avatar the Favor disappears but the JA itself doesn't.

[DarkRift]

OK i think i get it.

So if you want to be a support role job you just pop favor, and summoner avatars based on what your party needs. Just reapply favor once every 2 hours.


BUT


If you want to bp you will need to take it off to get full power BP.

[Tikki]

dakpluto, on 09 November 2009 - 03:16 PM, said:

So we've gone from 45 seconds to 5 minutes on BPs in a support role......

Only if we use it.

[dakpluto]

Laverna, on 09 November 2009 - 03:22 PM, said:

its not 3 mins for Full refresh Btw with my test took 1 min to go from 1mp to 3mp a tick

Read the full thing though....look to be nearly spot on with the damage reduction. And the favor timer was actually even more of a worst case than what I purposed.


Sigh, once again SE let's us down big time.

[Tikki]

As an aside..


I want my mitts fixed.

[Dr. Ifto]

I really hope its a bug or oversight and will be fixed soon. Because other than this, this wasnt that bad

[Umisame]

LOL!

Im playing Aion now, im lvl 49 Spiritmaster(pet class) and i enjoy it too much, its very good in PVE and PVP, its like a smn/blm. My ffxi is updating because i was thinking on play it, but lol reading all the shit about Avatar's Favor makes me want to suspend my account, i hope new avatars dont be a shit.

[Rida]

PLD on DI getting 10 mp per tick with songs and refresh and Distance is a definate factor. retreat Diabolos and it floats round the cliff and I lose Favour effect but not Icon.

[Umisame]

If you zone you lose avatar's favor ;x

[JudicatorAldaris]

In simple terms

-You are going to play the DD roll, then BP and release.

-You are going to play support use your favors, however set yourself up to BP for "Max Damage" when your recast timer is about to come up.

So yes, It looks like 5 Min BP timer if u want "Max"

Your either dealing damage or just supporting your party. With favor activate you damage effectively.

People seem upset because we can't do both effectively at the same time. This is how others and me stated with the new JA that whm/nin/sam got (1 job abi gives strength and weakens support / 2 Job abi strengthen Support and weakens Strength)

[Shirai]

Well, perhaps it really is time to retire ye olde summoner until my LS may need over my white mage it for whatever reason.
At least there wasn't much to get for it anymore anyway...

[FinalSMNCrusader]

I just want to take a minute to say: I told you so.
October Favor post> please check it.

When will all the summoners poo pooing anything negitive learn, this is it.
Why are we hoping for the the avatars that never come? because it's the only possiblity to actually add something functional to the job.

[Alkar]

I'm upset because in order to get a weaker buff than COR gets we have to pay MP and we also get a damage hit. What's the point? The range is way too small, mitts are broken and we got the shaft again on the avatars.
Why is this JA at 55? No one would use it at that level. The only way to use this is at 75 with max perp gear and even then we're using MP unless day/weather conditions are met.
I'll probably see this in a different light tomorrow but right now I don't see me using this JA or even summoners getting invites because of it.

[JudicatorAldaris]

FinalSMNCrusader, on 09 November 2009 - 04:36 PM, said:

I just want to take a minute to say: I told you so.
October Favor post> please check it.

When will all the summoners poo pooing anything negitive learn, this is it.
Why are we hoping for the the avatars that never come? because it's the only possiblity to actually add something functional to the job.

Hard to say "I told you so" after a patch. More testing and fixes needs to be completed first.

You can say I told you so "no avatars" all you want! Why, because they are still not here!

Give it time for the waves to settle down.

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