[PunkyThaTaru]

I know Martial Bhuj will out perform a Perdu Voulge on Steel Cyclone. And Perdu > Bhuj on RR/KJ.
I was curious, just how big of a boost the Bhuj gave, I've poke around with the search function and I haven't quite seen the answer I'm looking for. I've made a decent SC set so far, not super awesome but it's decent. Would a Bhuj be a worthwhile investment and also, how would Bhuj + SC compare to Perdu + RR/KJ on non-HNM things like limbus, dynamis, etc.?
My SC set so far is:
ammo: Bomb Core
Head: Genbu's Kabuto
Neck: Breeze Gorget
Earrings: fowling/minuet (these need some work,)
Body: Osode
hands: Alky's
Rings: flamex2
Back: Forager's
waist: Warwolf Belt
legs: barone cosciales (These really need some work, hoping for relic soon ~_~)
feet: Creek M clomps

[Byrthnoth]

PunkyThaTaru, on 12 November 2009 - 06:33 PM, said:

I know Martial Bhuj will out perform a Perdu Voulge on Steel Cyclone. And Perdu > Bhuj on RR/KJ.
I was curious, just how big of a boost the Bhuj gave, I've poke around with the search function and I haven't quite seen the answer I'm looking for. I've made a decent SC set so far, not super awesome but it's decent. Would a Bhuj be a worthwhile investment and also, how would Bhuj + SC compare to Perdu + RR/KJ on non-HNM things like limbus, dynamis, etc.?
My SC set so far is:
ammo: Bomb Core
Head: Genbu's Kabuto
Neck: Breeze Gorget
Earrings: fowling/minuet (these need some work,)
Body: Osode
hands: Alky's
Rings: flamex2
Back: Forager's
waist: Warwolf Belt
legs: barone cosciales (These really need some work, hoping for relic soon ~_~)
feet: Creek M clomps

How much of a damage boost Martial Bhuj is depends on how you're using it. Martial Bhuj should give +100TP during WS like Hagun and the other Martial Weapons, though I just took it for granted and didn't test it. With a gorget, Steel Cyclone's fTP at 100TP is 1.6, at 200TP it is 1.85. So you get a 15.6% increase (minus 8 damage) if you go at 100TP. You could go at a higher TP, but:

If you're using Perdu and all things being equal, it doesn't make sense to save 200 or 300TP. For 600TP worth of hits --
100TP : 6x 1.6 = 9.6
200TP : 3x 1.85 = 5.55
300TP : 2x 3.1 = 6.2

If you're using Martial Bhuj, it also doesn't make sense to go at 200TP. For 600TP worth of hits --
100TP : 6x 1.85 = 11.1
200TP : 3x 3.1 = 9.3
300TP : 2x 3.1 = 6.2

So you can see that using Martial Bhuj and going at 100TP makes the most sense. If you're going at 200TP (maybe waiting on SA?), Martial Bhuj also wins. If you're going somewhere above 270TP probably, then you might as well use Perdu. You need Heca feet, maybe a Brutal, but your SC build isn't bad.


About Steel Cyclone vs. Raging Rush/King's Justice. Unless you have substantial accuracy issues it just won't win. You're better off using Raging Rush/KJ in almost every situation where you don't need the 1-hit and pDIF bonus from Steel Cyclone. People even use KJ on stuff like Kirin if there's enough buffers.

[PunkyThaTaru]

couple more questions/statements:
Yeah, Hecatomb feet are one of the things I want, but Creek M Clomps STR+4, VIT+4 are the best I can do in the meantime.
Also, brutal? I can put brutal on. I TP in brutal but swap in brutal for minuet for WS. I was curious if 5% more DA would outdo another str+1.
Waetoto's earring is the other earring I want to try and get (STR+2, VIT+1)
on something like Kirin, I usually have around 150~200 TP before SA is back up if bards are around, if I remember right. It's been a while since I used WAR on something where I use steel cyclone over RR/KJ.
I knew that basically, close to 300%, perdu will win out, but I never save up that much TP, I usually go as soon as SA is back up.
Also, say, on perdu I do about 1k with SA with my current setup, about how much of a damage increase do you think I will see? I'm just curious if it's worth putting the 1m+ into it

[Byrthnoth]

Brutal is probably better than STR+1. Waetoto's would be best for your non-Brutal ear during the day, but Triumph or Bushi are also STR+2 and easier to get. Vampire's (STR/VIT+4 at night) are cool too (and probably better than Brutal), but tend to be fairly expensive due to the craptastic drop rate.

If you do 1k with SASC using Perdu Voulge now, I expect to see you do something between ~1.1k and ~1.6k with M.Bhuj depending if the 1k was at 100 or 200TP. If you look at the last post I made, you'll see that ~200TP is the biggest difference between them. If you use WAR/THF, Martial Bhuj is worth it.

[PunkyThaTaru]

I need to go WAR/THF more, it's been a while. I tend to end up on another job for my ls.
I don't really remember, but I think the 1k was between 100 and 200 TP, and then again, my gear has improved a bit since then, I didn't have osode or kabuto or gorget at the time. I think I will put an investment into a bhuj at some point, and, hey, if it doesn't work out, I can always sell it back, you know? Thanks for the help.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, I kept one on the off-chance I might come to an HNM event on WAR for a long time, but the one time that I did I forgot it (and pretty much everything else that's SC onry) in Storage. Eventually I sold it back for 400k profit though, so it wasn't bad!