[BunkMonk]

He's so much better than me since he never busts. Why must I suck so much? D:

(his comment came right after I had a bust on warlock's roll..)

[Kaparu]

At certain levels, I'd be inclined to agree(Qufim, without question, due to the absolute necessity of Chaos Roll at some points[which is more relevant than you'd think for some, as its not uncommon for people to spend a long, long time sync'd there]). And if you've already busted another roll, you absolutely shouldn't be risking a second case of Bust before your first wears off.

More importantly, why were you giving anyone Warlock's Roll when Fold wasn't available?

[BunkMonk]

Kaparu, on 24 November 2009 - 08:00 AM, said:

At certain levels, I'd be inclined to agree(Qufim, without question, due to the absolute necessity of Chaos Roll at some points[which is more relevant than you'd think for some, as its not uncommon for people to spend a long, long time sync'd there]). And if you've already busted another roll, you absolutely shouldn't be risking a second case of Bust before your first wears off.

More importantly, why were you giving anyone Warlock's Roll when Fold wasn't available?

1. We were in dynamis, killing DL, two CORs in the party. My rolls were to be warlock's and wizards.
2. I had no other busts
3. I had fold up (did I ever say I didn't have this up?)

He seriously rolled warlock's roll 5 seconds after I busted on it, then proceeded to make a snide comment.

I'm not a noob COR, you don't have to lecture me over when I should or shouldn't double-up. And if you think for a minute any COR who says he will never double-up on a 6 is playing the job right, I just don't know what to say.

[Kaparu]

Chillax girly, I wasn't accusing you of anything

[BunkMonk]

Kaparu, on 24 November 2009 - 09:59 AM, said:

Chillax girly, I wasn't accusing you of anything

My bad :X It's early, and I must have read your comment in the wrong spirit. Always nice to start the day being defensive

[Phlow]

It's a double-edged sword.

In exp situations, you would be rolling and rolling and rolling. The law of large numbers would rule in your favor and, as a result, you would have averaged out a much better return on your rolls than the other guy. But when you are doing events, you don't have that benefit.

Imagine roulette; They say their is 1 easy step to win at roulette - Open a casino. Even if you play Red/Black, the odds are still in the casino's favor. They have 18 red, 18 black, and 2 ought numbers (0,00). It's not hard to figure out if you get paid out 1:1 for odds less than 50% (47.3% to be exact), the odds don't match the benefit. If you play over time, you're gonna lose little by little. If you walk into a casino and play once, things are a bit different - you win, you win big. You lose, you lose it all.

So, even if odds are in your favor, if you double up on a risky number in a one-shot deal, you could win big or lose it all.

Pretty much depends on how risk averse you are. Fold helps out a lot too, as Kappy pointed out.

I'm assuming since this was Warlock's, this was event type?

Edit: Oh, this was by no means to talk down to you and explain how odds work. I have full faitht that you know what you're doing. More or less, this is just me thinking out loud.

Since it was DL, I'd probably be stuck in XP mode, allowing the averages to even out my PT. It's a 3 hour event, lasts longer than some of my XP parties >_>). You did it right.

[Katchoo]

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1. We were in dynamis, killing DL, two CORs in the party. My rolls were to be warlock's and wizards.
2. I had no other busts
3. I had fold up (did I ever say I didn't have this up?)

What does having fold up have to do with if you should DU or not? Whether or not you had Fold AND Random Deal up is another question, and even then its a whole 45 secs or so before you can use PR again, woop de doo.

I assume for the DL run you where in the RDM party for Chainspell Stun? In which case i agree with you, its a 1/6 chance not so bad and if Snake Eys is up you can avoid the Unlucky easy. Yes that guy was just being a jerk.

But other times, shit be situational ...

[BunkMonk]

I'm not advocating doubling-up on every single roll. Like you said, shit is situational. But come on, to NEVER double-up on a 6? That's asinine.

Anyway, this thread got WAY too serious. The point of my post was not to try justifying my use of double-up (and the consequent bust), but more to share the "lolwtf" moment I had. The corsair forum means business these days.

[Nath]

[BunkMonk]

indeed!

[Silvra]

Might as well try and Double UP, especially if Fold is up. DL is one of those events were everything is riding on BS anyway considering that even the most veteran groups sometimes loose even with the perfect setup. If you bust and the BLM/RDMs were in dire need of that bit of extra buff then they could always wait until it wore. I doubt though your roll would be the deciding factor between win and loose. If thats the case though or you guys didnt have 5mins then I dont know what to say for the group. Its all luck anyway, rolling on a 6 most of the time is fine. Its the people that constantly bust(only had 1 or 2 tbh) that worry me.

[Katchoo]

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If you bust and the BLM/RDMs were in dire need of that bit of extra buff then they could always wait until it wore.

Sorry what? Wait untill what wore?

[rambus]

Im sorry for bumbing this seeing it is a bit old but there is not much threads here.

I was wondering why warlocks roll would be important, nothing in dyna is that resistant, i can go though the whole thing in my power set.

also im wondering the difference of unlucky and lucky and DU from a 6 with it, it can not be that big of a bonus if you DU from a 6 or an unlucky.

[Phlow]

rambus, on 15 March 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

Im sorry for bumbing this seeing it is a bit old but there is not much threads here.

I was wondering why warlocks roll would be important, nothing in dyna is that resistant, i can go though the whole thing in my power set.

also im wondering the difference of unlucky and lucky and DU from a 6 with it, it can not be that big of a bonus if you DU from a 6 or an unlucky.

1) Really no reason to warlock. I'm usually evoker / wizards, and even then evoker isn't needed (BLMs usually on sleep, stun, and timed blast on statue duty in dyna). I'm assuming Warlock is being used simply because there isn't anything better.

2) The math is done in different threads on when exactly to double up on a risk / reward schedule. For a "quick and dirty" rule, double up on anything 1-6 and unlucky (stay on lucky). Stay on lucky and anything over 7-11 (except for unlucky). If you have 1 bust effect, never double up on anything that could potentially bust you (unless you have and want to use Snake Eye).

The specific threads for math were:

Spider Dan's

http://killingifrit....oll-calculator/

and my ooooooooold one (not updated)

http://killingifrit....ost__p__2356473

[rambus]

Phlow, on 15 March 2010 - 10:26 AM, said:

1) Really no reason to warlock. I'm usually evoker / wizards, and even then evoker isn't needed (BLMs usually on sleep, stun, and timed blast on statue duty in dyna). I'm assuming Warlock is being used simply because there isn't anything better.

2) The math is done in different threads on when exactly to double up on a risk / reward schedule. For a "quick and dirty" rule, double up on anything 1-6 and unlucky (stay on lucky). Stay on lucky and anything over 7-11 (except for unlucky). If you have 1 bust effect, never double up on anything that could potentially bust you (unless you have and want to use Snake Eye).

The specific threads for math were:

Spider Dan's

http://killingifrit....oll-calculator/

and my ooooooooold one (not updated)

http://killingifrit....ost__p__2356473

so 5-16 not a big deal to bust on, mean guy lol. thanks for reminding me of that, i remember reading it before

[Sotose]

rambus, on 15 March 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

Im sorry for bumbing this seeing it is a bit old but there is not much threads here.

I was wondering why warlocks roll would be important, nothing in dyna is that resistant, i can go though the whole thing in my power set.

also im wondering the difference of unlucky and lucky and DU from a 6 with it, it can not be that big of a bonus if you DU from a 6 or an unlucky.

If I'm not mistaken; DL is partially resistant to stun. That's the only thing I can think of.

[rambus]

Sotose, on 15 March 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

If I'm not mistaken; DL is partially resistant to stun. That's the only thing I can think of.

wouldn't that just be due that resistance update thing? you using stun a lot and grows resistance?