[KittyFatale]

So yah I have COR leveled at 75. and i have been thinking of leveling rng to 75(its currently 37) just because a lot of my COR Slugshot WS gear can be used by RNG. my marksmanship is capped on COR and 4/8 Marks merits, STR 5/5 CRIT4/4. wondering if leveling RNG with marksmanship is a viable option? i really dont want to level archery. just cause i spent a crap load of gil on COR. what u guys think??

i fully realize rng isnt cheap so willing to dish out a few M on stuff like kriegsbell or osode. but yah so far this is what i have with my cor.

PCC
crimson
Palhwan legs
full denali set
amet+1
fenrir's/vampire
flame ring
triumph
rajas
Mirke Waldecors

[Katchoo]

You can get away with Marksmanship till level 55, infact i prefer Xbow over archery pre 55. But after 55 you will find Archery is SO much better.

In regards to cost, its really not that much. Level up your woodworking. You can get from 1-60 pretty fast and make a good profit on it too. You will save loads in the long run.

RNG is alot of fun to level.

[DoA]

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You can get away with Marksmanship till level 55, infact i prefer Xbow over archery pre 55. But after 55 you will find Archery is SO much better.

lol

It may be may more "fun" to you but it's definitely not your best performing option. With Musketeer Gun at 52 you don't even need to use bow at all.

If an acid bolt will stick to a mob your xbox will be the best option for a party. If holy bolts are not resisted they will be miles ahead.

@75, if it's not Ebow/Kabura your Obow/Darksteel bolts will out damage an Ebow. If Holy Bolts proc it will be better DPS than Ebow/Kab.

Im just waking up, alla isn't working for me right now I would post all the math from the argument we just had about this.

Bow is not the be all end all weapon for RNG and most often than not I see people running around performing sub par and paying more to do less damage.

[Lambtor]

vampire what, exactly? earring?

[Wakmidget]

That's how I started RNG, COR75 gave me the idea because Slugwinder fucks shit up, lol. If you really want to get the full experience of fun from RNG, get Vali's Bow before you level it. (or at least before 55). Dinging into that bow is one of the most exililerating changes you can ding into. going from an lolFlaming Arrow into an omfg Sidewinder.

[KittyFatale]

Wakmidget, on 06 December 2009 - 10:19 PM, said:

That's how I started RNG, COR75 gave me the idea because Slugwinder fucks shit up, lol. If you really want to get the full experience of fun from RNG, get Vali's Bow before you level it. (or at least before 55). Dinging into that bow is one of the most exililerating changes you can ding into. going from an lolFlaming Arrow into an omfg Sidewinder.

i've thought about getting e-bow/vali's however. my current merits kinda discourage me from archery cause of my jobs. i have 8 sword 4 axe 8 marksmanship. cause i have WAR at 75 also and i need to keep my 8 sword merits for sure. so yar!

vampires was a typo i use it on my warrior its a Plus+4 str earring. i meant to type triumph.

for war i do the fenrir/vampire combo. for cor i do fenrir/triump

[Hoshiku]

You can holy bolt spam most of the way to 75 as long as you're fighting mobs that the added effect procs. You might be doing slightly less damage than a gun ranger or a bow ranger but the added effect can add a lot of damage on to your normal hit (when I played with holy bolts I found that dmg + added effect usually came close to what I was hitting with demons). Bow is more fun for some people but there's no requirement to use it and you will keep up with gun (and I think someone showed that xbow can outparse both if you use the right bolts). You will have more gear to upgrade at 75 than you think. I don't recommend using denali, you won't need full acc from PCC (could use qiqirn collar or faith torque), you'll probably want osode and skote for ws. But your merits sound pretty good and you have some nice pieces already.

[Lambtor]

Hoshiku, on 07 December 2009 - 09:52 AM, said:

You can holy bolt spam most of the way to 75 as long as you're fighting mobs that the added effect procs. You might be doing slightly less damage than a gun ranger or a bow ranger but the added effect can add a lot of damage on to your normal hit (when I played with holy bolts I found that dmg + added effect usually came close to what I was hitting with demons). Bow is more fun for some people but there's no requirement to use it and you will keep up with gun (and I think someone showed that xbow can outparse both if you use the right bolts). You will have more gear to upgrade at 75 than you think. I don't recommend using denali, you won't need full acc from PCC (could use qiqirn collar or bull necklace), you'll probably want osode and skote for ws. But your merits sound pretty good and you have some nice pieces already.

needed an adjustment there.

[Amastacia]

DoA, on 06 December 2009 - 10:15 AM, said:

lol

It may be may more "fun" to you but it's definitely not your best performing option. With Musketeer Gun at 52 you don't even need to use bow at all.

If an acid bolt will stick to a mob your xbox will be the best option for a party. If holy bolts are not resisted they will be miles ahead.

@75, if it's not Ebow/Kabura your Obow/Darksteel bolts will out damage an Ebow. If Holy Bolts proc it will be better DPS than Ebow/Kab.

Im just waking up, alla isn't working for me right now I would post all the math from the argument we just had about this.

Bow is not the be all end all weapon for RNG and most often than not I see people running around performing sub par and paying more to do less damage.

Ok, on topic first:

I could not, for the life of me, do more damage with xbow (or gun, for that matter) than bow after 55.

Spent a lot of time whoring ERon_S XP, where Zamburak+1 and Holies just completely rock everything, but after EBow and Slugwinder, no XBow (not even OBow) and no ammo could pull ahead. Now, it was never a tremendous difference, but Ebow always won.

Musketeer's gun was great 50-55, but not so much after that. I picked up a Shark Gun at 60 hoping it might be able to compete, and still no dice (was nice in the 1 party I KC'd it up pre-75, to not have to run way back to WS, though). Tried OBow multiple times with both Holies and DSBs, and each time it came up just slightly behind.

Off topic:

Do you have club merits?

Got a chance to merit on KC RNG for the first time tonight, was a 2 BRD party, and I was frustrated as hell with my melee Acc. I went RNG/DRG, with a TP set similar to yours (RNG Melee set) I was only parsing 86% melee Acc on birds with squid sushi and no Acc song/roll, more like 81% once I ran out and swapped over to crab sushi. I think I'd be fine with a Madrigal and crab sushi, should've asked for one once I switched foods but I just completely forgot to. Not sure what'd be ideal with a COR around, maybe still crab but I'm pretty confident that'd be significantly overcapping.

Also, what's your WS average? Is the Culv+1 your primary merit gun, or do you mostly stick with Hellfire +1 for ammo reasons? I have both as well, but I have the devil's own time stocking enough cannon shells (both from an inventory perspective and availability perspective) to use the Culv+1 more than about 1% of the time. Don't have alchemy leveled, which doesn't help, and the AH on Asura doesn't exactly overflow with them in enough quantity to last more than about 30-45 mins in a merit party on a good day.

[KittyFatale]

Hoshiku, on 07 December 2009 - 09:52 AM, said:

You can holy bolt spam most of the way to 75 as long as you're fighting mobs that the added effect procs. You might be doing slightly less damage than a gun ranger or a bow ranger but the added effect can add a lot of damage on to your normal hit (when I played with holy bolts I found that dmg + added effect usually came close to what I was hitting with demons). Bow is more fun for some people but there's no requirement to use it and you will keep up with gun (and I think someone showed that xbow can outparse both if you use the right bolts). You will have more gear to upgrade at 75 than you think. I don't recommend using denali, you won't need full acc from PCC (could use qiqirn collar or faith torque), you'll probably want osode and skote for ws. But your merits sound pretty good and you have some nice pieces already.

i was actually planning on using Mirke Wardecors But ive read that if im going to be a xbow user that osode is the best body b/c of the MND stats.

Also question ive read hellfire+1 can come close to ebow on parse?? is this correct

[DoA]

I'm gonna steal a couple quotes here just to make it easier on myself.

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O-bow/DSB is very close to fulltime E-bow/kabura (slightly better DPS, slightly worse WS). It is significantly better than TPing with demons. And the elephant in the room is holy bolts; with a good MND build, holies will outdamage DSB on many mobs (particularly non-HNM or non-piercing-weak), which means that they will destroy demon arrows.

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Tried OBow multiple times with both Holies and DSBs, and each time it came up just slightly behind

Compared to bow? Parsed or eye balled?\

I can't find the math on the Musketeer Gun it's buried under to many of my posts on alla to dig it out. I believe it's around ~60 or so that is good for, in my experience it was on par with Ebow but this was many a year ago. lol

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Do you have club merits?

Yes, 8 Club/8 Marks/4 loleva

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I was only parsing 86% melee Acc on birds with squid sushi and no Acc song/roll, more like 81% once I ran out and swapped over to crab sushi.

I'm curious what 4 songs they were singing then. Were you the only 1H in the party? I prefer March/March/Mad/Min in that situation, I can't think of a reason right now not to have the 2nd bard sing madrigal.

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Not sure what'd be ideal with a COR around, maybe still crab but I'm pretty confident that'd be significantly overcapping.

Hunter's Roll is the shit for KC rng. I try to always meripo with one because it allows me to eat meat. Make friends with COR's, your KC will appreciate you.

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Also, what's your WS average?

That's hard to say for me, I don't really meripo anymore. I would have to say geussingly 1100~1300 w/o buffs or food. Minuet/Dia/Meat.... Prolly 1800-2000 per slugwinder.

With some of the newer gear and the right buffs Im sure I could pump it up alot higher than that.

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Is the Culv+1 your primary merit gun, or do you mostly stick with Hellfire +1 for ammo reasons? I have both as well, but I have the devil's own time stocking enough cannon shells (both from an inventory perspective and availability perspective) to use the Culv+1 more than about 1% of the time. Don't have alchemy leveled, which doesn't help, and the AH on Asura doesn't exactly overflow with them in enough quantity to last more than about 30-45 mins in a merit party on a good day.

Honestly I sold my culverin +1 because some idiot offered me 3.5 million for it and I only payed 1m lol

I will buy another as soon as I see one available but I don't play much anymore.

Inventory was a problem back in the day but with Satchel and all the inventory expansions that's not so much of an issue anymore. Find an alchemist and become their friend. As a blacksmith I traded services with a lot of people and I was able to just commission bullets very easily whenever I wanted them.

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i was actually planning on using Mirke Wardecors But ive read that if im going to be a xbow user that osode is the best body b/c of the MND stats.

Mirke for TP
Osode for WS

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Also question ive read hellfire+1 can come close to ebow on parse?? is this correct

5 hit Rng/Sam is very effective with a Hellfire +1

[Amastacia]

DoA, on 08 December 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

Compared to bow? Parsed or eye balled?\

I can't find the math on the Musketeer Gun it's buried under to many of my posts on alla to dig it out. I believe it's around ~60 or so that is good for, in my experience it was on par with Ebow but this was many a year ago. lol

Parsed. 50-55, Musk. Gun won parses (but I usually did ERon since 50-55 is generally shit slow XP).

55+, EBow won parses against all comers, on Lessers, regular Colibri, Crawlers/Diremites in Aydeewa, and Imps/Jnun in Mire. The only place I didn't parse an alternative to EBow was the couple times I was at MMJSP pre-75.

DoA, on 08 December 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

Yes, 8 Club/8 Marks/4 loleva

Ah, cool. I can't bring myself to drop lolKatana or lolEvasion since NIN is still by far my favorite job to play despite its shittiness these days. Wouldn't mind some extra KC Acc though.

DoA, on 08 December 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

I'm curious what 4 songs they were singing then. Were you the only 1H in the party? I prefer March/March/Mad/Min in that situation, I can't think of a reason right now not to have the 2nd bard sing madrigal.

Sort of a weird situation. I was getting 2x March, 2x Minuet, and when I ran out of squid sushi and could've used a Madrigal, the lolWAR/NIN stopped using his shitdill and put Perdu on making me the only 1h melee.

DoA, on 08 December 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

Hunter's Roll is the shit for KC rng. I try to always meripo with one because it allows me to eat meat. Make friends with COR's, your KC will appreciate you.

My 75 COR friends have mostly quit or been Salvage LM-17'd. Couple people are leveling it though, so life will be good.

DoA, on 08 December 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

That's hard to say for me, I don't really meripo anymore. I would have to say geussingly 1100~1300 w/o buffs or food. Minuet/Dia/Meat.... Prolly 1800-2000 per slugwinder.

With some of the newer gear and the right buffs Im sure I could pump it up alot higher than that.

Was that with Culv+1 or Hell+1? And did you take the 2 steps back to sweet spot to WS or just fire up close to avoid losing combat rounds?

DoA, on 08 December 2009 - 07:04 AM, said:

Honestly I sold my culverin +1 because some idiot offered me 3.5 million for it and I only payed 1m lol

I will buy another as soon as I see one available but I don't play much anymore.

Inventory was a problem back in the day but with Satchel and all the inventory expansions that's not so much of an issue anymore. Find an alchemist and become their friend. As a blacksmith I traded services with a lot of people and I was able to just commission bullets very easily whenever I wanted them.

Yeah, I have plenty of ability to trade crafts back, just all of the people I knew with Alchemy leveled aren't around anymore.

[DoA]

HF+1 at mellee distance.

[Spider-Dan]

Wakmidget, on 06 December 2009 - 10:19 PM, said:

That's how I started RNG, COR75 gave me the idea because Slugwinder fucks shit up, lol. If you really want to get the full experience of fun from RNG, get Vali's Bow before you level it. (or at least before 55). Dinging into that bow is one of the most exililerating changes you can ding into. going from an lolFlaming Arrow into an omfg Sidewinder.

I'd think that dinging into a Musketeer Gun/silver bullets at 50 would be a bit more exciting (it was for me, anyway). A RNG with combat merits is going to ding into Slugwinder at 53 anyway, so getting E-bow two levels after you've been using Slugwinder is not quite as impressive.

[Vax]

DoA, on 06 December 2009 - 10:15 AM, said:

your xbox will be the best option for a party.

Fuck, original xbox should so be a ranged weapon.