[rambus]

Banggugyangu, on 03 May 2010 - 10:17 AM, said:

Assuming 15 mobs total: If the mobs average 200 EXP per kill before EXP chain, and you kill them perfectly every 300 seconds *5 minutes* You would get 54000 exp/hr. In all fairness, that's a major over-estimate on the EXP per kill, however. A fairer estimate is ~220 per kill AFTER EXP chain bonus. This would result in 39.6k/hr with 15 mobs. Assuming the 14 mobs that I originally said, and you're left with 36.96k/hr. That's a hard cap. That's the most EXP you can get from 14 mobs that will yield an average of 220 EXP each mob when there's a respawn timer of 5 minutes. That means every 5 minutes, you can get a maximum of 3080 EXP. The funny thing is, I hadn't even taken the time to do the math on that before sharing my story. It's really funny that the math adds up. isn't it?

*edit* Unless you can magically pull an extra mob from the bottom *outside of the ones you're already pulling*, then you aren't going to reach 40k/hr at that camp.

This isn't accounting for COR's roll which would take the exp up to ~45k/hr.

i went there you can pull 5 birds and 2 wivere from bottem to middle, your up to 20 mobs now.
when you say assume "15 mobs' 14-16 IS THE minuman you should be getting.

you need to go from 15 seconds w/o haste to 12 seconds to kill chain you really need to learn other jobs before you quote stupid shit like haste will gimp my pts.
learn to pull, and stup gimping pulling by asking cor for retarded rolls, i got a lamiabane to pull farther mobs why doesnt you relic user know better? or better yet, tell cor to pull them instead of giving you stupid rolls.

oh he didn't bother because you didnt kill fast enough oh wai.. haste where.

cor gets mobs around 225-280 ish,MJST is over 300 easy, not sure what wivers are doint kill them enough. ( chain 5+ though)

oh btw i have a merit pt now with a blu/sch that never broke under 600 mp without any mp buffs.
on that note i bet a cor/dnc could fill your spot better.

I think we made our point, SCH is a secondary job wanted for merits, they DO NOT GET top end merit exp.
haste does not kill chains, only idiots.

This post has been edited by rambus: 03 May 2010 - 03:29 PM

[Banggugyangu]

rambus, on 03 May 2010 - 01:18 PM, said:

i went there you can pull 5 birds and 2 wivere from bottem to middle, your up to 20 mobs now.
when you say assume "15 mobs' 14-16 IS THE minuman you should be getting.

You cannot reliably pull 5 birds from the bottom. I've seen them spaced to the point where you can't even pull a single bird from the bottom with all birds popped. The average of available birds, from what I've seen is an extra 2.

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I think we made our point, SCH is a secondary job wanted for merits, they DO NOT GET top end merit exp.
haste does not kill chains, only idiots.

Since when is 37k/hr not "top end merit exp"? Seriously, rambus, if you're not happy getting 37k/hr, then you're way too princess to please.

[rambus]

Banggugyangu, on 03 May 2010 - 04:06 PM, said:

You cannot reliably pull 5 birds from the bottom. I've seen them spaced to the point where you can't even pull a single bird from the bottom with all birds popped. The average of available birds, from what I've seen is an extra 2.

Since when is 37k/hr not "top end merit exp"? Seriously, rambus, if you're not happy getting 37k/hr, then you're way too princess to please.

YOU NEED RANGE ATTACK ITS LONGER THEN SPELLS HAVE A COR WATCH THE MOBS DOWN THERE AS THE BRD FUCKING PULLS. YOU CAN NOT ADMIT BEING WRONG IN SOMETHING A DIFFERENT JOB WOULD OF PULLED MORE EXP YOU DID NOT GET CAP EXP

idiot

your SCH IS NOT THE REASON YOU GOT 37k/hr and I CALL THAT RATE BS since you stated no COR ROLL. ( actually it is the reason you got under 40k/ hr because that party would of goten more replacing you)

the smallest exp per hour you get with a cor roll ( going by my min 225 per) with your 15 mobs results in 40 500. so your claim does not mach what is really happening at all.

@ min cor roll killing 20 mobs there you would get 54 000 exp/ hr, your claim in how fast your killing does not match the math, haste would of not gimped your pt since 37k is far beyond top. and that 37k is most likely overestimated due to the fact you stated no cor roll with only doing 15 mobs.

your own data is proving how your party was not at top efficiency, and haste is needed to bring that out. I have got 37k/ hr without a single relic, i got crap with relics, relics is not the end all. (not being able to chain with a relic is laughable and lol worthy). i seen a amo user get put to shame by a soboro sukehrio.

I am fine with 20k/hr I have a problem with you claiming false information.

This post has been edited by rambus: 03 May 2010 - 07:18 PM

[Banggugyangu]

It's apparent that you've officially lost all civility. I'll retain mine, however.
[quote name='rambus' date='03 May 2010 - 07:44 PM' timestamp='1272933891' post='3848530']
YOU NEED RANGE ATTACK ITS LONGER THEN SPELLS HAVE A COR WATCH THE MOBS DOWN THERE AS THE BRD FUCKING PULLS. YOU CAN NOT ADMIT BEING WRONG IN SOMETHING A DIFFERENT JOB WOULD OF PULLED MORE EXP YOU DID NOT GET CAP EXP
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Elegy is a longer casting radius than all other spells. It's just shy of ranged attack radius by 1.9'? Even with ranged attacks, you can not reliably pull 5 birds from the lower camp. Mobs move around regularly. Those birds can, and will wander around the entire lower camp.ta some points, it could be possible to clear the entire lower camp from standing in the middle. At other times, you may not be able to pull a single mob. Odds are, you're going to average 1~4 mobs from the bottom. Even this is relying on no other PT being there, which is rare.
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idiot
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Right. Name calling absolutely helps your argument. A wise man once said, "The person who throws out the first insult has officially admitted defeat."
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your SCH IS NOT THE REASON YOU GOT 37k/hr and I CALL THAT RATE BS since you stated no COR ROLL. ( actually it is the reason you got under 40k/ hr because that party would of goten more replacing you)
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I never once in this entire argument have said that my SCH is the reason we got 37k/hr. I simply said we did it.
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the smallest exp per hour you get with a cor roll ( going by my min 225 per) with your 15 mobs results in 40 500. so your claim does not mach what is really happening at all.
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You mean 208 EXP at full chain bonus on a level 81 colibri. The maximum EXP you will get from a greater colibri with the best bonus from COR's roll is 269 EXP. Wivres that are level 83 can yield up to 299 EXP on a full chain with an 11 roll.
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@ min cor roll killing 20 mobs there you would get 54 000 exp/ hr, your claim in how fast your killing does not match the math, haste would of not gimped your pt since 37k is far beyond top. and that 37k is most likely overestimated due to the fact you stated no cor roll with only doing 15 mobs.
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Killing 20 mobs per 5 minutes, or 240 mobs per hour would reap 58800/hr at the same ratio of mobs I used in the previous example. Where did you get your 54000/hr? I can't follow your math whatsoever in this conversation.
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your own data is proving how your party was not at top efficiency, and haste is needed to bring that out. I have got 37k/ hr without a single relic, i got crap with relics, relics is not the end all. (not being able to chain with a relic is laughable and lol worthy). i seen a amo user get put to shame by a soboro sukehrio.
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Not one single point in this whole quote is relevant whatsoever. An amano user getting put to shame by a soboro is simply a rich, stupid SAM. SAMs should be using polearms in meripo anyway. Tomoe will destroy amano parses. Tomoe will destroy soboro parses. Tomoe will destroy Hagun parses.
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I am fine with 20k/hr I have a problem with you claiming false information.
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If you're fine with 20k/hr, then why do you have a problem with SCHs joining merit parties? Your whole argument has been based around some hatred of all SCHs who join merit PTs. If someone is able to get high EXP rates without haste, I should think that everyone else on that job should be happy. They shouldn't try to condemn that person for partying without haste.

[.Sotek.]

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Killing 20 mobs per 5 minutes, or 240 mobs per hour would reap 58800/hr at the same ratio of mobs I used in the previous example. Where did you get your 54000/hr? I can't follow your math whatsoever in this conversation.

I can't follow your maths. Well, I can, I just don't get why you'd bother. Without Corsair's Roll (you said you had Evoker+Wizards so...) you gave an average cap of 34944EXP/Hr. Care to pipe in where you got an extra 2k/Hr from?

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Your whole argument has been based around some hatred of all SCHs who join merit PTs. If someone is able to get high EXP rates without haste, I should think that everyone else on that job should be happy. They shouldn't try to condemn that person for partying without haste.

Point is, SCH only becomes really usable under that situation, which isn't one I've seen often. Even if you do get to that situation, any number of jobs could fill your role.
If you were breaking 30k/Hr in a pick up party I'd be cheering and if it weren't for the fact that I hate main healing, I'd go Birds on my SCH (capping EXP in campaign sucks). As it is your only example is a ridiculous one which according to your own numbers is impossible.

[rambus]

rambus, on 03 May 2010 - 06:44 PM, said:

YOU NEED RANGE ATTACK ITS LONGER THEN SPELLS HAVE A COR WATCH THE MOBS DOWN THERE AS THE BRD FUCKING PULLS. YOU CAN NOT ADMIT BEING WRONG IN SOMETHING A DIFFERENT JOB WOULD OF PULLED MORE EXP YOU DID NOT GET CAP EXP

idiot

your SCH IS NOT THE REASON YOU GOT 37k/hr and I CALL THAT RATE BS since you stated no COR ROLL. ( actually it is the reason you got under 40k/ hr because that party would of goten more replacing you)

the smallest exp per hour you get with a cor roll( going by my min 225 per) with your 15 mobs results in 40 500. so your claim does not mach what is really happening at all.

@ min cor roll killing 20 mobs there you would get 54 000 exp/ hr, your claim in how fast your killing does not match the math, haste would of not gimped your pt since 37k is far beyond top. and that 37k is most likely overestimated due to the fact you stated no cor roll with only doing 15 mobs.

your own data is proving how your party was not at top efficiency, and haste is needed to bring that out. I have got 37k/ hr without a single relic, i got crap with relics, relics is not the end all. (not being able to chain with a relic is laughable and lol worthy). i seen a amo user get put to shame by a soboro sukehrio.

I am fine with 20k/hr I have a problem with you claiming false information.

read please.

I have no hatred to SCH. I have a hatred with you misleading people. people will not seek SCH to merit with,most people with a brain will use SMN,RDM,WHM,DNC, SAM/DNC, DRG/mage, BLU/SCH ( maybe) beofre a they seek for a SCH. some people may skip some of the jobs due to lack of knowledge.

I did an event as SCH where i lost 8k exp or so because I did not know where to go to a place and i end up finding a galka that does not depop like the others, i ate R II, R I, RI, HP from that alone.

I put flag up and got a bardless, corless, thf pulling merit party, so ya

has nothing to do with SCH, i am just getting my head out of my "little world" ( what you are doing, my little world with my circle of friends) and being realistic.

I am not going to be picky who i menrt with because I have 19 jobs to merit, not 2. 1 merit party a week is not acceptable.

you are on mars if you are trying to get me to seek on SCH before my DRG, WAR, SAM, MNK, RDM, WHM, COR, BRD, because if sch was that great for merits like you say it is, it would make that a possibility.

I love SCH for events, it is prob my most used job now, with BLM still being up there, you think i am going to merit on BLM and SCH because I use it most for event? no F that

.Sotek., on 04 May 2010 - 02:59 AM, said:

I can't follow your maths. Well, I can, I just don't get why you'd bother. Without Corsair's Roll (you said you had Evoker+Wizards so...) you gave an average cap of 34944EXP/Hr. Care to pipe in where you got an extra 2k/Hr from?

I can use his numbers, 15 mobs average in a cycle for 37k/ hr without cor roll, min threshold of this (+15%) is 42.55k with cor roll and max is 45.88k

using my lowest exp on a kill 225 the exp hr based on that for 15 mobs is 40.5k /hr, using max i seen last pt 269, 48.420k

if you use my mob number of 16 cycled in 5 mins of being the min for a top end party would result in 43.2k/hr, max of 269 per mob > 51.648

20 mobs, min 54k, max 64.560k/ hr

hes wrong, haste in his lol 37k/ hr pt would not brake the chain. His mob per hour it too small if you are truly doing 15/16 mob cycle per 5 mins.

This is also assuming wyiver does not have bigger exp/ kill then birds do. I killed them before but i can not find a SS of exp/ kill

you see why i am arguing bangy? it has nothing to do with hating SCH, it is hating your false claims.

.Sotek., on 04 May 2010 - 02:59 AM, said:

Point is, SCH only becomes really usable under that situation, which isn't one I've seen often. Even if you do get to that situation, any number of jobs could fill your role.
If you were breaking 30k/Hr in a pick up party I'd be cheering and if it weren't for the fact that I hate main healing, I'd go Birds on my SCH (capping EXP in campaign sucks). As it is your only example is a ridiculous one which according to your own numbers is impossible.

hey sotek, what do you think of a quote like this?:

Banggugyangu, on 28 April 2010 - 08:25 PM, said:

Pretty much my exact feelings. Especially in a high stress/ high pace activity like einherjar, you'll easily rip through MP pools quickly. Mythic argument is hardly an acceptable argument, but I understand you're simply posting your soon-to-be special circumstance.

Ironic, ant it XD

This post has been edited by rambus: 04 May 2010 - 02:54 PM