[Corrderio]

Also another reason FF6 pwns all:



Sabin was able to break the laws of physics and SUPLEX a TRAIN.

[PLDExander]

Hmm IMO, Final Fantasy VIII bar none.

My top 5: -> Final Fantasy VIII -> Final Fantasy XIII -> Final Fantasy XII -> Final Fantasy X -> Final Fantasy IX

Loved 8 for it's story, gameplay and junction system, Love 13 for its Storyline and gameplay, Love 12 for its character representation and the feel each character gives not so much storyline thou but still decent and the gameplay has its perks, 10 for its Sphere Grid thou the gameplay was kind of short still wasn't overly as bad. Loved 9 for the fact you had 4 people in your party and the gameplay was ok. Storyline also was decent but i hated a lot of other aspects the game put off.

[Osvaldo]

Just to defend... Kefka: A real villian doesn't need a pitiful emo background story because that's not a villian; that's a pussy who is pissed off at someone because they got their feelings hurt for one reason or another or found out that they're different from someone and reacts in an unrealistic sense or attitude. You don't need to know his background story, you don't need to know every single aspect or even some little details of how he came to be, like you don't need to know his cock length, pant size, or social security number. With some characters (Like Kefka) is what kept him a great villian, as well as the realistic personality, that some people are just fucking nuts, and if given the power or position, will take advantage of it, and merely laughs at the death of another person. What's more realistic and more common to see in the world, a nut job that slices people for the mere pleasure of doing it and because he can, or someone that completely has a sad story to how he came to be, that his daddy beat him as a kid, his life sucks, and his high school experience scarred him for life and that's... why he plotted to take over the world unsuccessfully. :/ And no, don't count today's emo 15/16yr old's because 1. they're just going through puberty still 2. because as much as people want to believe them, they won't successfully do shit, and if so, it's a few people at max. Sorry, I think Kefka trumps most villians (not to say I don't like other FF villians, because some are decent too.)

Btw: In FF6 only rumor about how Kefka came to be was from the soldiers in the castle that say that it may have been too many Magic Infusions (Now don't tell me crack addicts and drug abusers don't get crazy)

[Aeonknight]

I like how people didn't start throwing the emo word @ FF7 until Adam Sessler said it on national television (X-Play, of all things). Keep on parroting guyz.

[rambus]

.Sotek., on 13 December 2009 - 12:26 AM, said:

FF9

starting to like you more and more lol XD

Kind of shocked people put VIII and IX more credit then what i hear some other people say.

Mineyl, on 13 December 2009 - 01:57 AM, said:

I gotta' go with Final Fantasy 12. If that makes any of you nerdrage, my runner-ups are 6, 5, and 9.

I like Tactics even more than 12, but many do not consider it a part of the main series, so I left it out.

bait? you can not be serious, why? (about XII)

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[Arkley]

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Just to defend...

Got it. Having no character development, no history, no motivation and an unoriginal one-dimensional personality is what makes for a good villain. I read ya. It seems 99% of the planet would disagree with you though, so we'd better start spreading your philosophy around. You go tell the Writer's Guild of America, I'll go let SEGA know that Dr. Robotnik is actually the greatest villain of all time so they can prepare an appropriate press announcement.

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[stubbieunicornserver]

FFXI I definitely have logged the most playtime on... over 10000000000000 days. lol more like 1000 but w/e this one was the most addictive by far, i might come back kinda soon, dunno i just started a new job so i should be able to pay the bill again after a nice 3 month or so break... This game is probably the best one to date imo, not because of the story, i didnt even read most of it.

I liked the online aspect and having community of people to talk mad shit on at HNM camps and stuff like that, also grinding exp for like 16hrs straight everyday just to hit lvl 75 on my first job back in the day before they changed the exp / lvl post lvl 50 or whatever, that was so cool.

Dunno if you count 11 as part of the series or not but it is a FF title and therefore it has my vote... if only it wasn't for the PAYING monthly thing. that 20 bucks a month really is a kick in the nuts sometimes lol.


FFIX = probably my favorite so far on a console, and actually becuz of a severe FFXI withdraw since my acct is unpaid I recently fully beat this game, yay i dont think i even got any of the ultimate weapons or knew shit about them the last time i played this one.


Anyone has FFXIII yet? I wanna know how is that game, kinda wanna pick it up for playstation unless it's all gayed up like X-2

[rambus]

stubbieunicornserver, on 14 March 2010 - 12:51 AM, said:

FFXI I definitely have logged the most playtime on... over 10000000000000 days. lol more like 1000 but w/e this one was the most addictive by far, i might come back kinda soon, dunno i just started a new job so i should be able to pay the bill again after a nice 3 month or so break... This game is probably the best one to date imo, not because of the story, i didnt even read most of it.

I liked the online aspect and having community of people to talk mad shit on at HNM camps and stuff like that, also grinding exp for like 16hrs straight everyday just to hit lvl 75 on my first job back in the day before they changed the exp / lvl post lvl 50 or whatever, that was so cool.

Dunno if you count 11 as part of the series or not but it is a FF title and therefore it has my vote... if only it wasn't for the PAYING monthly thing. that 20 bucks a month really is a kick in the nuts sometimes lol.


FFIX = probably my favorite so far on a console, and actually becuz of a severe FFXI withdraw since my acct is unpaid I recently fully beat this game, yay i dont think i even got any of the ultimate weapons or knew shit about them the last time i played this one.


Anyone has FFXIII yet? I wanna know how is that game, kinda wanna pick it up for playstation unless it's all gayed up like X-2

what does gayed up like x-2 mean?

[Osvaldo]

Yes, because 14 Main characters, 6 guests characters, 2 main villians, and more characters overall isn't enough story to keep you busy throughout the entire game. /sarcasm. Kefka wasn't unoriginal nor lazy character design, but instead was not the main focus, but instead was that of the other characters and the conflict that was going on. Did he have a history? Yes, but it was not important to the story. What was Terra going to do, try to talk him out of destroying the world? The greatest villains create the greatest heroes, and due to the magnitude of physical, psychological, and immoral destruction Kefka cause PAIRED with the fact that nobody really knew why is what made him great. Dunno if you're just used to 1 good guy vs 1 bad guy stories, or something. And eww... most writers nowadays in hollywood have run out of ideas so dry theyre making remakes of remakes, so probably not the best people to go to. But if you think you can put up a better story, a better game, go for it. Hey, I hear SE's new team isn't making anymore good FF's now

[stubbieunicornserver]

My ex-girlfriend had X-2 and I picked it up and played for like the first 5 minutes of the game before deciding it was pretty lame, maybe i didnt give it enough of a shot but she also had FFX on disc at her place so i just went for a game i knew was good i guess.

[Arkley]

Wait, your excuse for Kefka's lack of a story is "The rest of the characters have pasts/stories"? And as for the story behind the game itself, it's completely generic run-of-the-mill RPG fare and a plot summary could be written on the back of a postage stamp. You can make up all the excuses for Kefka being a 1-dimensional character with no past or motivation, and it doesn't change the fact that he is a 1-dimensional character with no past or motivation, and that this is a bad thing from any storytelling perspective. The rest of the characters, the story, the setting, is completely irrelevant; destruction, brutal acts of devastation mean nothing if there's no reason or motivation for them. Saying "He's evil because he's evil" isn't a reason, it's an excuse. It isn't clever or deep, it's fucking lazy.

And yeah, Hollywood has gone downhill these days. There's no original ideas left, and they haven't come up with anything really excellent in a long time - and yet they still look down on ultra-shallow, evil-because-the-story-needs-a-bad-guy enemies like Kefka.

Say whatever you like about FF 6 & Kefka, but you're looking at it/him with nostalgiavision.

[.Sotek.]

Are people so blind in their love for Kefka that they completely miss the fact that him and Sephiroth have basically the same back story?

[Arkley]

The only difference is Sephiroth has more of it and FF VII shows and explains it.

In the same way that a six year old takes his crayon-scrawls to the front of the class for show and tell, yes, but the point is valid nonetheless.

[Corrderio]

.Sotek., on 14 March 2010 - 10:49 AM, said:

Are people so blind in their love for Kefka that they completely miss the fact that him and Sephiroth have basically the same back story?

Wait? What now? Kefka doesn't have a backstory like Mr. Mama's boy does.

All we know about Kefka was when he was a test subject his mental health began to decline until he became crazy. Sephiroth was experimened on as well but his mental state was stable until he found out, where he had a mental breakdown and became the infamous Mama's Boy.

[Osvaldo]

I agree that his character is 1-dimensional, but that didn't mean he didn't have a history, background, etc. We just were not told about it, because it was irrelevant to the story, especially since he wasn't the first protagonist of the story; Gesathl was. He just took it his own way because he was a lunatic. Any FF story can be written on the back of a postage stamp, generally. They're all pretty much the same generally, but in the words of Fry, "People don't want to see something new and original, they want to see the same thing over and over again." FF6 was about 10/14 Main playable characters, and they did a pretty good job going deep into each one's story as well as the outcome. If they wanted to explain Kefka, knowing SE, it'd have been 2 games and 1 movie later. (Hello FF7 unecessarry Prequel+Sequel) Could they have during FF6? Yes, but it wouldn't have changed anything so what would be the point. Personally I just don't feel it's a need-to-kno thing, kinda like how anime are today; in Naruto sometimes they spend about 5 minutes of the episode explaining with diagrams how an attack works, how the energy is chanelled, etc... when... it's a waste of time spent on trying to explain something stupid and irrelevant.

[.Sotek.]

Corrderio, on 14 March 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

Wait? What now? Kefka doesn't have a backstory like Mr. Mama's boy does.

All we know about Kefka was when he was a test subject his mental health began to decline until he became crazy. Sephiroth was experimened on as well but his mental state was stable until he found out, where he had a mental breakdown and became the infamous Mama's Boy.

Sounds like a back story to me. Both sound the same to me as well.
Both were high in the military (Kefka was a general, Sephiroth was the highest ranked SOLDIER or something), both went insane because of experimentation (Kefka went mad as a direct result, Sephiroth when he found out what he was). Both aimed to become God (or God-like, fuck go look at both their final boss backgrounds and even what their final form was). Both scarred the world (though you only get to play in the ruined world in FF6, I'll give you that). I can go on.
FF7 was just a more fleshed out version of FF6. The stories are damn near identical. FF7 just got more to it, and honestly, I'm more willing to get a continuation of CC/DoC (the ending of DoC and the main villain of CC) than I am to replay FF6 with craptastic DS graphics.

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Personally I just don't feel it's a need-to-kno thing, kinda like how anime are today; in Naruto sometimes they spend about 5 minutes of the episode explaining with diagrams how an attack works, how the energy is chanelled, etc... when... it's a waste of time spent on trying to explain something stupid and irrelevant.

I laughed and I laughed hard.

[Saeunn]

1.FFVIII - Was the first one i played. It confused the shit out of me. Recently bought it again off PSN.

2.FFIX - Second one i played. loved it. Still have it for my ps2

3. FFIV - Got the DS remake and finally killed Rubicante like 30 minutes ago.

4. FFXIII - Not very far in just finished the White Woods part but so far im loving it.

5. FFXI - Sucked up the past 3-4 years of my life so hard to not say its one of my favs

[Corrderio]

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Sounds like a back story to me. Both sound the same to me as well.

Okay guess you got me there, however something that can be summed up in one sentence seems kinda weak to me. Either way Kefka wasn't cool because of his backstory, Kefka was cool just because of how insane he was. Most villains in FF have a "Holier than thou" type of attitude so it was nice to see a villian that comes around and instead of trying to justify his actions just does it for the heck of it.

[1]

FF6 hands down.

I hear all this but Kefka is one dimensional, not a well developed character and blah blah blah.. STOP. All FF bosses before Sephiroth were 1 dimensional with 0 character development. Kefka was a Svengali, a Rasputin. If you do not know what these two names are in reference to with regard to world history you should seriously stop arguing about him. He is from an era of video games where the player was not spoon fed information, he is also from an era where the majority of RPG players were... lets just say smarter than the average person who didn't play to watch shiny CGI's for 30 minutes; but enjoyed all the references to world mythology and history. A current comparison would be Heath Ledger as the Joker in the Dark Knight; ultimately you have to love Kefka. It's the same character. He's a f'ing mad man that doesn't give a f__k, he has no motivation other than madness and world domination. Hell, all the people that detract him did you actually READ his f'ing speech before the final battle? That's some heavy shit about the human condition, no character since has even gone to that depth. for example:

"Why do people cling to life when they know they can't live forever?" - Kefka.

Now why FF6 was the best in my opinion. You have issues of teen-pregnancy, inter species mating, world domination, the first steam punk FF, the first bio-mechanical FF, the best character line up of any FF... Clyde Baram anyone... and FAILURE..

Your mission is stop to Geshtal and Kefka from taking over the world and you FAIL. You fail bad. The world gets destroyed and you have to pick up the pieces. There is no greater aspect of character development then failure and bouncing back from it. Name a final fantasy where the bad guy wins, the world gets destroyed and the only thing you have left is to kill him. No cupcakes and jesus juice ending where the world is perfect now because of you in a cliche storyline; but a very grounded and dark story.

FF6 was the darkest and the best....Had the best battle system of all, once you learned your spells from your esper and removed said esper you kept them unlike in 7 where if you removed materia you lose access to the those spells you grinded for, slightly better than 5 in that you didnt have to constantly restart from scratch with new job classes to build your ultimate adventurer class... though one can make a very good argument that the FF6 battle system ends up being nothing more than an Ultima spam fest, to which i would agree.

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[Mineyl]

rambus, on 13 March 2010 - 11:38 PM, said:

bait? you can not be serious, why? (about XII)

I was referring to Tactics when I said that people do not consider it a part of the main series. I know it was a bit ambiguous.