[Wakmidget]

My WS setup currently is:

Weapon: Vulcan's Staff/ Axe Grip
Ranged/Ammo: Vali's Bow/Kabura Arrow
Head: Anwig Salade(+4 STR, +4 AGI, +15 WS Accuracy, +2% WS Damage)
Neck: Light Gorget
Earrings Triumph Earring/Minuet Earring (I know lol MInuet Earring but I'm not spending 900k for 1 STR when I have a rare/ex option around the corner)
Body: Kirin's Osode
Hands: Skadi's Bazubands
Rings: Flame Ring/Omicrom Ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Buccaneer's Belt
Legs:Enkidu's Subligar
Feet: Creek M Clomps (Taru RSE, +4 STR)

I full time Pot-a-feu for pretty much everything since I don't reall notice much of a damage difference between that and Yellow Curry/Subs. And I VERY RARELY have Accuracy issues with Sidewinder with this setup.

I recently just came into contact with 3/3 Skadi Feet today, and sadly, I'm actually having doubts if I should even bother using them.

It's a choice between +4 STR and +3 STR, +5 Ranged Accuracy. But since my Sidewinder Accuracy feels pretty much almost perfect at most events, I think the RSE Feet might actually still be better, the only thing I could see that might replace them would be Hachiryu Feet.

I have W Legs for Movement Speed, so that's just a moot point.

I use my RNG mostly in sea/Fomor NM's/SCNM's, will I ever have a real need to sacrifice that +1 STR for +5 Acc on any other mobs?

[TresDuendes]

Well, only you can say for sure what your ACC is. However, if you need ACC, this is one of the best pieces to swap out first.

[Escaflone]

Wakmidget, on 02 January 2010 - 08:23 PM, said:

My WS setup currently is:

Weapon: Vulcan's Staff/ Axe Grip
Ranged/Ammo: Vali's Bow/Kabura Arrow
Head: Anwig Salade(+4 STR, +4 AGI, +15 WS Accuracy, +2% WS Damage)
Neck: Light Gorget
Earrings Triumph Earring/Minuet Earring (I know lol MInuet Earring but I'm not spending 900k for 1 STR when I have a rare/ex option around the corner)
Body: Kirin's Osode
Hands: Skadi's Bazubands
Rings: Flame Ring/Omicrom Ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Buccaneer's Belt
Legs:Enkidu's Subligar
Feet: Creek M Clomps (Taru RSE, +4 STR)

I full time Pot-a-feu for pretty much everything since I don't reall notice much of a damage difference between that and Yellow Curry/Subs. And I VERY RARELY have Accuracy issues with Sidewinder with this setup.

I recently just came into contact with 3/3 Skadi Feet today, and sadly, I'm actually having doubts if I should even bother using them.

It's a choice between +4 STR and +3 STR, +5 Ranged Accuracy. But since my Sidewinder Accuracy feels pretty much almost perfect at most events, I think the RSE Feet might actually still be better, the only thing I could see that might replace them would be Hachiryu Feet.

I have W Legs for Movement Speed, so that's just a moot point.

I use my RNG mostly in sea/Fomor NM's/SCNM's, will I ever have a real need to sacrifice that +1 STR for +5 Acc on any other mobs?

Aside from H.Haidate, your setup is quite solid. Although I recommend Scout Socks(+1 a plus, naturally) instead of +4 STR(and +10 AGI for that matter since you was looking at H.Feet). then again, I am Hume. So I do not know the ratio if Scout's Socks would outperform 4 STR on a feet-piece on Tarutaru.

When you WS as RNG, treat it more or so like a SAM, hit-or-miss. Its a 1-shot WS. It is going to either Land, or Miss. And since you have the Add-On Headpiece, along with Light Gorget, that makes it damn well easy to fire without missing the majority of the time. 5 Acc will not make, or break Slugwinder, whatever your preference may be. Archery it seems hence the Vali's Bow.

I would not worry so much for events such as those, as those mobs either have relitively low Evasion, or nearly none at all. Same with being able to eat meat on TOAU HNM, same aspect applies to WoTG SCNMs, too.

Pot-a-feu is good choice, aside from Red Curry(or Bun), only really matters with a BRD, so if you don't have a BRD, I would stick with the Pot-a-feu.

Just wondering, do you have 5/5 STR merits, or do you have that in another class?

Its good to see people that play RNG asking questions here, as most players go into the class thinking they shouldn't need advice even if its relatively small. I know you have COR75 as another one of your classes, so you have enough knowledge to easily play RNG, as well. ^^

[Wakmidget]

Escaflone, on 03 January 2010 - 02:20 AM, said:

Aside from H.Haidate, your setup is quite solid. Although I recommend Scout Socks(+1 a plus, naturally) instead of +4 STR(and +10 AGI for that matter since you was looking at H.Feet). then again, I am Hume. So I do not know the ratio if Scout's Socks would outperform 4 STR on a feet-piece on Tarutaru.

I was thinking the same as you about Scouts Socks when I 1st got them, hence I sold my RSE Feet for bit an WS'd in Scouts Socks, I eventually bought them back, I WS better in the RSE Feet. I was looking at Hachiryu Feet b/c I read somewhere that AGI is only good over is STR as a modifier if it's more than a 2:1 ratio, so I would assume the 10 AGI on Hachiryu Feet would be pretty much equal to 5 STR, with the side bonus of helping R Accuracy.

Escaflone, on 03 January 2010 - 02:20 AM, said:

When you WS as RNG, treat it more or so like a SAM, hit-or-miss. Its a 1-shot WS. It is going to either Land, or Miss. And since you have the Add-On Headpiece, along with Light Gorget, that makes it damn well easy to fire without missing the majority of the time. 5 Acc will not make, or break Slugwinder, whatever your preference may be. Archery it seems hence the Vali's Bow.


I would not worry so much for events such as those, as those mobs either have relitively low Evasion, or nearly none at all. Same with being able to eat meat on TOAU HNM, same aspect applies to WoTG SCNMs, too.

Never done any ToAU HNM on RNG, (except for Odin, I forgot to add him to the list of mobs I fight on RNG), About the only mob I've ever had severe WS issiues on was Omega the one time I came RNG to it, but in that defense I have a pretty solid BLM build for anything RNG sucks at.

Escaflone, on 03 January 2010 - 02:20 AM, said:

Pot-a-feu is good choice, aside from Red Curry(or Bun), only really matters with a BRD, so if you don't have a BRD, I would stick with the Pot-a-feu.

Just wondering, do you have 5/5 STR merits, or do you have that in another class?

Yes, I am 5/5 STR, my Base stats as RNG/WAR are 63 STR & 75 AGI w/o gear. I haven't really tried Red Curry yet, only b/c Pot-a-feu works so well with my build atm I don't want to mess it up.

Escaflone, on 03 January 2010 - 02:20 AM, said:

Its good to see people that play RNG asking questions here, as most players go into the class thinking they shouldn't need advice even if its relatively small. I know you have COR75 as another one of your classes, so you have enough knowledge to easily play RNG, as well. ^^

COR was actually my inspiration to level RNG.

[Escaflone]

Wakmidget, on 03 January 2010 - 08:29 AM, said:

I was thinking the same as you about Scouts Socks when I 1st got them, hence I sold my RSE Feet for bit an WS'd in Scouts Socks, I eventually bought them back, I WS better in the RSE Feet. I was looking at Hachiryu Feet b/c I read somewhere that AGI is only good over is STR as a modifier if it's more than a 2:1 ratio, so I would assume the 10 AGI on Hachiryu Feet would be pretty much equal to 5 STR, with the side bonus of helping R Accuracy.

While this may be true, you also are lacking the additional Ranged attack that the STR mod is giving you while equipped.(While although relatively small). ~ However, as you said, your RSE feet outperform AF2, so I'd stick with it!

Might be worthwhile to try H.Feet, may provide a valuable add-on for you, or not. Can always sell it if it does not fit your standards. ~.^

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Never done any ToAU HNM on RNG, (except for Odin, I forgot to add him to the list of mobs I fight on RNG), About the only mob I've ever had severe WS issiues on was Omega the one time I came RNG to it, but in that defense I have a pretty solid BLM build for anything RNG sucks at.

As a fulltime RNG and BLM, I have 8/8 Archery and 8/8 Marksmenship on my RNG, I have never had problems with acc on mobs such as Ultima or Omega for that matter...and I am taking into assumption that you do not have 8/8 Archery Merits since you're COR, and highly likely that you do have additional 75s you've merited in place of Archery, no? I believe you already have 8/8 Marksmenship naturally from COR, so this may be a reason if you are missing on those type of mobs.

Please correct me if I am wrong. ^.^

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Yes, I am 5/5 STR, my Base stats as RNG/WAR are 63 STR & 75 AGI w/o gear. I haven't really tried Red Curry yet, only b/c Pot-a-feu works so well with my build atm I don't want to mess it up.

Don't mess it up unless you have a severly good Bard w/Minuet and Skill merits. Makes Red Curry itself the best you can use quite honestly. I am not much of a fan of Red Curry Buns, but those are what we call a Red-Curry Budget, since Red Curry can get pretty expensive to use if you are prone to dying a hefty amount.

Then again any RNG who shoots aimlessly and gets hate and does not know how to control hate, should quit the job. This leaves options like /SAM 4-hit w/Ebow~Valis, or /WAR for pure damage out fo the question if yo're going to be dying countless times.

RNG/SAM 4-hit can be superb too, you ever tried this?

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COR was actually my inspiration to level RNG.

RNG was my inspiration to level COR. As well as a cool Tarutaru & Mithra on my server. ^^

Kickass Nukka.

EDIT: Damn SE, add our Ranged Attack in the menu already. -.-'

[Wakmidget]

Escaflone, on 03 January 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

While this may be true, you also are lacking the additional Ranged attack that the STR mod is giving you while equipped.(While although relatively small). ~ However, as you said, your RSE feet outperform AF2, so I'd stick with it!

Might be worthwhile to try H.Feet, may provide a valuable add-on for you, or not. Can always sell it if it does not fit your standards. ~.^

I have a Tinnin pop ready at the NPC, just need to find time to save Zeni and be able to make one of my LS's ZNM nights. Work is harsh atm, lol.

Escaflone, on 03 January 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

As a fulltime RNG and BLM, I have 8/8 Archery and 8/8 Marksmenship on my RNG, I have never had problems with acc on mobs such as Ultima or Omega for that matter...and I am taking into assumption that you do not have 8/8 Archery Merits since you're COR, and highly likely that you do have additional 75s you've merited in place of Archery, no? I believe you already have 8/8 Marksmenship naturally from COR, so this may be a reason if you are missing on those type of mobs.

Please correct me if I am wrong. ^.^

Actually, when I got RNG near 75 I made the decision to delevel Marksmanship for Archery, It was either that or Scythe, and it's hard to get rid of 304 Scythe Skill. ~_^
Also the fact I only used my melee COR when I merit, and have plenty of other jobs for that. Added with the fact that Vali's Bow rocks, I made the decision retire the melee side of my COR when I hit RNG75.

Also, while leveling RNG to 75, and after going to a few events with it it, it feels like it's pretty much the same playstyle as BLM almost, they are 2 sides of the same coin. Usually what one sucks at for DD, the other is exceptional at as far as end game.

Escaflone, on 03 January 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

Don't mess it up unless you have a severly good Bard w/Minuet and Skill merits. Makes Red Curry itself the best you can use quite honestly. I am not much of a fan of Red Curry Buns, but those are what we call a Red-Curry Budget, since Red Curry can get pretty expensive to use if you are prone to dying a hefty amount.

I could probably do that at Odin since they treat the RNG's very well. Our main damage is 1 PT with 4 RNG, BRD, COR, but Odin is a very touchy mob to DD lol. Even with only 4 RNG's sometimes we have to halt damage completely.

Escaflone, on 03 January 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

Then again any RNG who shoots aimlessly and gets hate and does not know how to control hate, should quit the job. This leaves options like /SAM 4-hit w/Ebow~Valis, or /WAR for pure damage out fo the question if yo're going to be dying countless times.

RNG/SAM 4-hit can be superb too, you ever tried this?



RNG was my inspiration to level COR. As well as a cool Tarutaru & Mithra on my server. ^^

Kickass Nukka.

EDIT: Damn SE, add our Ranged Attack in the menu already. -.-'

I've looked into Store TP on RNG, and even though I have Skadi Chausses, I do not have a Rajas Ring. The other options for Store TP are sacrifices in R Attack/STR that I am not willing to make. Added to the fact I had to hold back a lot sometimes *Cough* Odin *cough* I prefer the standard setup atm.

[Taint]

Your current setup sounds very solid. You could try the hachiryu feet but you are going to pull similar results for a lot more coin. I use hachiryu legs and feet for the stats and the stp5 keeps my 5hit but without the legs I would be using scouts or skadi feet for the 3str (elvaan).

I wanna hear more about this 4hit ebow build??

[Sword]

I messed with the math for this a few weeks ago. You need 69stp (which I dont think it's possible to get that much on RNG) to get a true 4-hit E.bow setup, unless you count the base tp return from WSing then you only need 35stp. I went ahead and did the math for most common ranged weapon type RNG's use endgame.

E. Bow / Demon Arrows. (STP Required 35)
14.5 + [((490+90)-530) * 3.5/470= 14.87tp (rounded down to 2 demcil places)
14.87 * 1.35= 20.07

Selene's Bow / Demon Arrows (STP Required 32)
14.5 + [((540+90)-530) * 3.5/470= 15.24
15.24 * 1.32 = 20.11

O.Bow / Darksteel bolt (STP Required 32)
14.5 + [((432+192)-530) * 3.5/470= 15.2
15.2 * 1.32= 20.06

Coffinmaker / Silver Bullet (STP Required 20)
14.5 + [((600+240)-530) * 3.5/470= 16.8
16.8 * 1.2= 20.16

Culverin / Cannon Shell (STP Required 10 or 36)
14.5 + [((760+300)-530) * 3.5/470= 18.44
18.44 * 1.1= 20.28
18.44 * 1.36 = 25.07

Here is a bunch of different Store TP gear and their stp values that RNG's can wear. Most do not have many bonuses for r.acc/r.atk so it is advised to think about your choices carefully. Stp caps at +51 excluding job traits from /SAM.

Cobra Unit Cap stp+2
Cobra Unit Harness stp+6
Cobra Unit Subligar stp+3
Cobra Unit Mittens stp+3
Cobra Unit Leggings stp+4
Rose Strap stp+4 (Campaign: stp+20)
Enkidu's Subligar stp+5
Raja's Ring stp+5
Bushido Cape stp+1
Chivalrous Chain stp+1
Brutal Earring stp+1
Hachiryu Haramaki Set (Set: stp+20)
Skadi's Chausses stp+7

Hope that anwsers your question and gives you an idea on how you can make your own setup.

[Taint]

Sword, on 04 January 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

I messed with the math for this a few weeks ago. You need 69stp (which I dont think it's possible to get that much on RNG) to get a true 4-hit E.bow setup, unless you count the base tp return from WSing then you only need 35stp. I went ahead and did the math for most common ranged weapon type RNG's use endgame.

E. Bow / Demon Arrows. (STP Required 35)
14.5 + [((490+90)-530) * 3.5/470= 14.87tp (rounded down to 2 demcil places)
14.87 * 1.35= 20.07

Selene's Bow / Demon Arrows (STP Required 32)
14.5 + [((540+90)-530) * 3.5/470= 15.24
15.24 * 1.32 = 20.11

O.Bow / Darksteel bolt (STP Required 32)
14.5 + [((432+192)-530) * 3.5/470= 15.2
15.2 * 1.32= 20.06

Coffinmaker / Silver Bullet (STP Required 20)
14.5 + [((600+240)-530) * 3.5/470= 16.8
16.8 * 1.2= 20.16

Culverin / Cannon Shell (STP Required 10 or 36)
14.5 + [((760+300)-530) * 3.5/470= 18.44
18.44 * 1.1= 20.28
18.44 * 1.36 = 25.07

Here is a bunch of different Store TP gear and their stp values that RNG's can wear. Most do not have many bonuses for r.acc/r.atk so it is advised to think about your choices carefully. Stp caps at +51 excluding job traits from /SAM.

Cobra Unit Cap stp+2
Cobra Unit Harness stp+6
Cobra Unit Subligar stp+3
Cobra Unit Mittens stp+3
Cobra Unit Leggings stp+4
Rose Strap stp+4 (Campaign: stp+20)
Enkidu's Subligar stp+5
Raja's Ring stp+5
Bushido Cape stp+1
Chivalrous Chain stp+1
Brutal Earring stp+1
Hachiryu Haramaki Set (Set: stp+20)
Skadi's Chausses stp+7

Hope that anwsers your question and gives you an idea on how you can make your own setup.

Pretty sure you have to floor each step to 1 decimal place.

I used 35stp for tp and 29 for ws for a 5hit.

[Escaflone]

SAM SJ is required for the 4-Hit Vali/Ebow setup with Rajas, and Skadi Legs only needed, if I remember right.

I'll find the thread about it, and link it here tomorrow. I don't personally use the Vali Bow 4-hit as I am nearly always /NIN or /WAR to anything I go to.

I still need my SCNM headpiece for my RNG TP setup, sadly. T_T

[TresDuendes]

I believe it's actually called a 5 hit by most people.
0 to 100 in 5 hits etc

[Katchoo]

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AGI is only good over is STR as a modifier if it's more than a 2:1 ratio,

I might as well put my question here rather than in a new thread, would the new Set +8 agi earrings be better to WS in over Triumph Earrings? 2.1 ration.

[Taint]

Escaflone, on 05 January 2010 - 12:28 AM, said:

SAM SJ is required for the 4-Hit Vali/Ebow setup with Rajas, and Skadi Legs only needed, if I remember right.

I'll find the thread about it, and link it here tomorrow. I don't personally use the Vali Bow 4-hit as I am nearly always /NIN or /WAR to anything I go to.

I still need my SCNM headpiece for my RNG TP setup, sadly. T_T

You need 36 stp to net 20.1 with ebow.

Skadi 7
Raja 5
/sam 15

That's 27 you need 9 more stp for a 5hit.

[TresDuendes]

Mekki and Rose strap are the most popular options for this I believe.