[Daggermaster]

you dont pay 14m if you're in a non shitty ls thats capable of killing tiamat

[Forgotten_Memory]

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there is a HUGE difference between 8% movement speed and 12%. there are mobs that you CANNOT solo with 8% movement. Gaiters/Wlegs will never be replaced, EVER

Forgotten_Memory, on 08 March 2010 - 12:51 AM, said:

Name them then? Because I have solo'd plenty of NM's with 8% movement speed np.

[Daggermaster]

Like what NMs? There is a noticeable difference.

[Forgotten_Memory]

Yes name the NMs that you can't solo with 8% movement speed.

[Daggermaster]

lol, wlegs nor gaiters are hard to obtain, no point in getting +8% movement on legs when you can get 12% much easier...dont know why you would gimp yourself...camp tia or do kirin, not hard lol

[Forgotten_Memory]

Forgotten_Memory, on 10 March 2010 - 08:57 PM, said:

Yes name the NMs that you can't solo with 8% movement speed.

[Daggermaster]

k, you got me, can solo anything with 8% but why would you when the other two forms of movement speed are easy to get? Not to mention its a wasted augment and weakens what you could have made the pants into. Wlegs are not hard to get. Gaiters? ok, but why wouldnt you get something more beneficial

Edit:I'm not afraid to admit i was wrong to jump to conclusions, i just disagree with your train of thought, and the 4% movement speed makes doing things a hell of a lot safer and easier.

This post has been edited by Daggermaster: 10 March 2010 - 11:32 PM

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Daggermaster, on 10 March 2010 - 11:15 PM, said:

k, you got me, can solo anything with 8% but why would you when the other two forms of movement speed are easy to get? Not to mention its a wasted augment and weakens what you could have made the pants into. Wlegs are not hard to get. Gaiters? ok, but why wouldnt you get something more beneficial

Edit:I'm not afraid to admit i was wrong to jump to conclusions, i just disagree with your train of thought, and the 4% movement speed makes doing things a hell of a lot safer and easier.

Not really, it isn't even a noticeable difference. I have solo'd NMs both with the 8% and 12% and have yet to die due to 4% loss there. I use the 8% pants on my blm and I don't miss the 4%. How are the other two forms easy to get? W legs are a rare ABJ from Kirin that is very elusive for a lot of linkshells. Ok if you get it that's nice and swell but if you don't, 8% is nothing to laugh at as a viable augment for people who want to solo. Gaiters... you think gaiters are easy to get for a player not involved in HNM? lol why would I wanna spend 14ish mil on gaiters just for a dumb 4% increase in speed which is hardly noticeable when soloing NM's. No thanks I can think of a million other upgrades for other various jobs that can use 14 mil instead of a very small marginal increase in movement speed.

I think you over exaggerate "hell of a lot safer and easier" because when I solo things on RDM or BLM I don't find myself at a disadvantage due to 4% movement speed missing. Sure the other options are obviously marginal upgrades but why spend 14 mil on gaiters when you can just augment some pants with 8% and save that gil for something more worthwhile? The 8% augment is nothing to laugh at like you did, its a very viable augment with a lot of uses for people who don't have 14 mil to drop down the drain or who have bad luck on abj from Kirin/no LS/no time for events.

[Muerte]

Soloing on a mage job shouldn't be an issue so long as you have the increased movement speed. The extra 4% just allows you to get far enough ahead of the mob to cast or recast whatever it is you need to cast or recast (be it bind or whatever) faster. The 4% would be a lot more noticeable on say corsair soloing where the mob won't be impaired for movement and could very well make or break that. But I suppose given the patience you shouldn't have an issue on either of them.

[Jurojin]

I am 99% positive that just about anything you soloed by kiting is actually even easier just straight tanking.

And since you want names of NMs, go ahead and try Faith with your 8% and see what happens. (Yes it runs alot faster and yes you can kite it endlessly with "only" 12%)

[Jurojin]

8% is hardly decent to run around towns

[Daggermaster]

Forgotten_Memory, on 12 March 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

Not really, it isn't even a noticeable difference. I have solo'd NMs both with the 8% and 12% and have yet to die due to 4% loss there. I use the 8% pants on my blm and I don't miss the 4%. How are the other two forms easy to get? W legs are a rare ABJ from Kirin that is very elusive for a lot of linkshells. Ok if you get it that's nice and swell but if you don't, 8% is nothing to laugh at as a viable augment for people who want to solo. Gaiters... you think gaiters are easy to get for a player not involved in HNM? lol why would I wanna spend 14ish mil on gaiters just for a dumb 4% increase in speed which is hardly noticeable when soloing NM's. No thanks I can think of a million other upgrades for other various jobs that can use 14 mil instead of a very small marginal increase in movement speed.

I think you over exaggerate "hell of a lot safer and easier" because when I solo things on RDM or BLM I don't find myself at a disadvantage due to 4% movement speed missing. Sure the other options are obviously marginal upgrades but why spend 14 mil on gaiters when you can just augment some pants with 8% and save that gil for something more worthwhile? The 8% augment is nothing to laugh at like you did, its a very viable augment with a lot of uses for people who don't have 14 mil to drop down the drain or who have bad luck on abj from Kirin/no LS/no time for events.

i laughed because i already had both forms of movement speed, my apologies.

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I think you over exaggerate "hell of a lot safer and easier" because when I solo things on RDM or BLM I don't find myself at a disadvantage due to 4% movement speed missing. Sure the other options are obviously marginal upgrades but why spend 14 mil on gaiters when you can just augment some pants with 8% and save that gil for something more worthwhile? The 8% augment is nothing to laugh at like you did, its a very viable augment with a lot of uses for people who don't have 14 mil to drop down the drain or who have bad luck on abj from Kirin/no LS/no time for events.

Same reason people spend money on HQ gear? It's better (read: Not replaced).

You're arguing about something that doesn't even matter now.

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I am 99% positive that just about anything you soloed by kiting is actually even easier just straight tanking.

Don't waste Augments on Movement speed and save 500k on Mahatma legs. Better yet don't waste 10$ on some shitty Addon, which is apparently only a marginal increase so not worth the money.

[Daggermaster]

shitty addon gave me 3 haste and 4 PDT!

[.Sotek.]

Daggermaster, on 13 March 2010 - 08:20 AM, said:

shitty addon gave me 3 haste and 4 PDT!

You managed fine without it before so according to Faggotted_Memory it's not worth getting it at all, since it's easily replaced.

[Daggermaster]

orz

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You managed fine without it before so according to Faggotted_Memory it's not worth getting it at all, since it's easily replaced.

Aw why so hostile, I thought we were best friends? I didn't say that at all retard, I said there are better things to get with that amount of gil than a marginal upgrade to something that isn't even that important.

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Don't waste Augments on Movement speed and save 500k on Mahatma legs. Better yet don't waste 10$ on some shitty Addon, which is apparently only a marginal increase so not worth the money.

Then that would be a waste, Mahatma legs serve more than just a magic damage piece, RDM comes to mind in that regard.

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Same reason people spend money on HQ gear? It's better (read: Not replaced).

You're arguing about something that doesn't even matter now.

I am arguing something that is relevant. I am sure there are TON of upgrades out there for people that they can make use of better than a marginal 4% increase in movement speed. 14 mil is a lot of gil and it could be used to buy things that are worth more (salvage bodies anyone?) than 4% increase.

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I am 99% positive that just about anything you soloed by kiting is actually even easier just straight tanking.

And since you want names of NMs, go ahead and try Faith with your 8% and see what happens. (Yes it runs alot faster and yes you can kite it endlessly with "only" 12%)

I call bullshit. Faith can definitely be soloable with 8% movement speed considering he casts as well... Give me a good reason as to why you can't solo him with movement speed 8%? Okay good luck straight tanking Faust, Despot, Zipacna, a whole slew of ZNM's, Scitalis and various other NM's and solo them. These all have some kiting aspect to them so give it a go.

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Jurojin, on 13 March 2010 - 06:27 AM, said:

8% is hardly decent to run around towns

Spending 14 mil on an upgrade so you can run around town 4% faster, very worthwhile investment right?

[Daggermaster]

i've made well over 14m with gaiters since i bought them for 14m lol.

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I didn't say that at all retard, I said there are better things to get with that amount of gil than a marginal upgrade to something that isn't even that important.

Maybe you missed the part where Addon gear is only a marginal upgrade and HQ gear is only a marginal upgrade.
Don't buy marginal upgrades? Sure, if you're low on gil like some retard back in 2006. But since apparently people have everything now (you said something along these lines with HNM drops), why would people waste time (and money) on a marginally worse piece of gear when they have little all else to strive for these days? Cost isn't an issue, people will always want the top gear, the order they get it in may change but that doesn't make a worse piece of gear replace it at all. And your exact words were that ASA pants replaced gaiters/etc. So yeah, you dumb.

You still haven't even addressed the fact that 20 levels makes little difference in gear. The fact you're using a piece of gear that's 5 levels higher and 4% worse than current top gear as an example, is well, need I say anything?
Nor that, a side from lolAFv3 (which isn't free) and Synergy horseshit, SE has only announced new HNMs, so they clearly didn't listen to your issue and they didn't listen to the ideas of BG and Alla for alternative systems to HNM (that you can't even recall, let alone quote). Which makes your whole point that they're replacing HNMs with new gear (which they're not) redundant anyway.
Care to tell me again how keeping botting an issue will gain anything? A years worth of new HNMs sure sounds like it's fixing things.