[Daggermaster]

Movement speed for mages is by far the most powerful thing that they can use if they're not retarded

[Forgotten_Memory]

Not really, movement speed in the hands of a BLM or RDM that is gimp won't do shit. You need to prioritize. Telling a mage that movement speed > all for their gear is extremely retarded.

[Daggermaster]

Gimp=/=skilled. A gimp blm or rdm with gaiters/wlegs will do better than a stupid rdm or blm that has better gear and movement speed, since most solos are DoT solo...

This post has been edited by Daggermaster: 16 March 2010 - 10:00 PM

[Forgotten_Memory]

And what benefit will movement speed be to someone who doesn't solo? What benefit is movement speed to a mage in most events where they are expected to do their job. RDM needs to buff and cure, WHM needs to cure, BLM needs to nuke. What benefit is movement speed in this situation? It hardly makes them broke either, there plenty of solos where you don't need movement speed at all on either job lol, and even then 8% will be more than sufficient. The main thing was that you said its the most important thing for a mage to go for which is extremely retarded.

[Daggermaster]

wow, you're THAT dumb, lol..
Edit: if you arent soloing on rdm or blm for $ you're doing it way way wrong

This post has been edited by Daggermaster: 16 March 2010 - 10:11 PM

[Forgotten_Memory]

Oh ok if you have RDM or BLM you just solo all the time right? Forget einherjar, dynamis and all those other events! YOU CAN SOLO them lulz.

[.Sotek.]

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In regards to your other examples, you don't NEED movement speed +12% to solo a majority of NM or things in this game

I can one shot, with Blizzard II, the majority of NMs in this game. Are you going anywhere with this?

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How will 4% extra speed always help ifyou can reliably do it just fine w/8%?

Apparently not.
Every BLM or RDM that owns gaiters/wlegs has proven you can solo with +12%, you've still yet to prove you can solo with 8%. Chop-chop, get your ass to Sea and load up fraps.

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What other parts of your argument haven't I been over already in this thread. I will admit I can't predict what SE will do, but keeping botting an issue doesn't only involve SE but the playerbase as well.

SE, if anything, made the problem worse (See: Added a years worth of HNMs).
The player base can't do anything. Keeping it an issue wont make bots go away. It'll make them less open maybe. But the player base can't do jack shit. GM calls? Yeah, we'll look into that.

Keeping it an issue will do nothing - has done nothing for the past 6 years. If anything it's made some people scared off of HNMs since should you be believed, claiming against bots isn't worth it. Something disproven by just about everyone else who ever posted in this thread. So yes, keeping botting an issue is retarded. Glad we cleared that up, now shut up or continue to show off your complete lack of understanding of movement speed.

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Oh ok if you have RDM or BLM you just solo all the time right? Forget einherjar, dynamis and all those other events! YOU CAN SOLO them lulz.

The stupid. It burns.......

[Daggermaster]

Thats not what i said at all, you're twisting words. Einherjar? you can kite mobs there, so it is a benefit there. Dynamis? same thing. Limbus? blm with gaiters can solo apollyon NW, i highly doubt a gaiterless or 8% movement speed blm can solo that. Shut the fuck up, you really are annoying and have no idea of how game changing movement speed is for jobs. Here's a list of why movement speed is the best possible upgrade a mage can make

1)It provides safety when soloing(given not all fights are kite fights, i understand this)
2)It makes just about any solo or lowman fight a hell of alot easier(i.e faith with blms, prudence with blm and rdm with wlegs/gaiters)
3)You can beat others to HNM faster, 8%<12%
4)Movement speed allows you more breathing room, which allows you to get nukes off easier, making solos go by much quicker
5)There are no alternatives to movement speed, really there arent. Saying there are makes you look like a damn fool.

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[Forgotten_Memory]

Oh boy, please explain how I have a complete lack of understand of movement speed? Why should I have to prove myself to you lol you will just say "well you still can't solo inserthere NM!" no point in proving anything to you. 4% will not make or break a solo strat, please explain how it will?

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I can one shot, with Blizzard II, the majority of NMs in this game. Are you going anywhere with this?

Are you? Trying to insinuate that I am blowing hot air? I don't need to prove myself to you, competent players can see the obvious difference that 4% movement speed makes. Not much unless you are trying to run from mog house to AH 4% faster which will save you a whole 5 seconds in the long run!

[Daggermaster]

There is no hope for you...lol

[Forgotten_Memory]

Daggermaster, on 16 March 2010 - 10:21 PM, said:

Thats not what i said at all, you're twisting words. Einherjar? you can kite mobs there, so it is a benefit there. Dynamis? same thing. Limbus? blm with gaiters can solo apollyon NW, i highly doubt a gaiterless or 8% movement speed blm can solo that. Shut the fuck up, you really are annoying and have no idea of how game changing movement speed is for jobs. Here's a list of why movement speed is the best possible upgrade a mage can make

1)It provides safety when soloing(given not all fights are kite fights, i understand this)
2)It makes just about any solo or lowman fight a hell of alot easier(i.e faith with blms, prudence with blm and rdm with wlegs/gaiters)
3)You can beat others to HNM faster, 8%<12%
4)Movement speed allows you more breathing room, which allows you to get nukes off easier, making solos go by much quicker
5)There are no alternatives to movement speed, really there arent. Saying there are makes you look like a damn fool.

1) Correct and so does 8% movement speed, this isn't being debated, whether or not its the most important upgrade for a mage is what I am talking about.
2)Yes it does, again not what is at issue.
3) lol really
4) Sure it does. ^ ^ ^ ^
5) Saying movement speed is the best upgrade for a mage makes you look like a damn fool.

Soloing NW requires a competent BLM that is for sure. 8% movement speed can still be possible, the only true kiting you do for extended period of time is at the last floor on behemoth. Everything else there is either sleepable, bindable, gravable or all 3... where 8% vs 12% won't matter.

I am glad I am annoying you, it makes me feel happy inside.

Cure potency, MAB/INT, -PDT, -MDT, Enfeeble skill etc are all great upgrades for a mage. Saying that movement speed trumps all these is very retarded. Not all mages solo all the time and if they do these things will be a factor. Einherjar you can bind or sleep or gravity something, don't always have to kite it.

[Forgotten_Memory]

Honestly you can keep repeating the same shit, "the stupid it burns" "there is no hope for you lol.." and it won't mean a damn thing. I have accomplished a lot of the things I want in this game and I honestly don't care about the little insults you toss at me. It really makes me smirk though the great lengths you all go to to try and insult me lol, really keep up with the same tired old statements.

[.Sotek.]

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Oh boy, please explain how I have a complete lack of understand of movement speed? Why should I have to prove myself to you lol you will just say "well you still can't solo inserthere NM!" no point in proving anything to you. 4% will not make or break a solo strat, please explain how it will?

Except it does.
With the speed some mobs move (no I'm not going to list every single one), 8% will not be viable for kiting.

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Are you? Trying to insinuate that I am blowing hot air? I don't need to prove myself to you, competent players can see the obvious difference that 4% movement speed makes. Not much unless you are trying to run from mog house to AH 4% faster which will save you a whole 5 seconds in the long run!

Where are these competent players? So far I see one person claiming 8% is fine and three claiming it's not. Not to mention all the people that continue to pay 10M instead of 10$, for an extra 4%.

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Cure potency, MAB/INT, -PDT, -MDT, Enfeeble skill etc are all great upgrades for a mage. Saying that movement speed trumps all these is very retarded. Not all mages solo all the time and if they do these things will be a factor. Einherjar you can bind or sleep or gravity something, don't always have to kite it.

And yet you still put movement speed on your ASA pants.

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Honestly you can keep repeating the same shit, "the stupid it burns" "there is no hope for you lol.." and it won't mean a damn thing. I have accomplished a lot of the things I want in this game and I honestly don't care about the little insults you toss at me. It really makes me smirk though the great lengths you all go to to try and insult me lol, really keep up with the same tired old statements.

I'd love to see you quote were those two sentances have been said before, and thus repeated.
You'll be happy to know that the great lengths you go to to respond to our insults also make me laugh out load, with the occasional facepalm. And as I'm sure you know, every other person who's posted here has said the same thing, and I'm sure the people that don't even post do the same thing (though probably at all of us).

[Daggermaster]

so wait? kiting you dont need movement speed? 5% will greatly effect the outcome of the fight wat? Mahatma slops>any MAB/M.acc+4 augment on those legs. of course PDT MDT Enfeeb skill are all great upgrades, you idiot. If you get gaiters, you obtain the ability to get PDT-4%/whatever else you put on your fucking legs. Why make your legs weaker, when you can get 12% movement speed and have an extra 4% PDT
Edit: when did we become unable to change gear? did they take macros out of the game?

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Forgotten_Memory, on 16 March 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

Honestly you can keep repeating the same shit, "the stupid it burns" "there is no hope for you lol.." and it won't mean a damn thing. I have accomplished a lot of the things I want in this game and I honestly don't care about the little insults you toss at me. It really makes me smirk though the great lengths you all go to to try and insult me lol, really keep up with the same tired old statements.

[Forgotten_Memory]

.Sotek., on 16 March 2010 - 10:35 PM, said:

Except it does.
With the speed some mobs move (no I'm not going to list every single one), 8% will not be viable for kiting.



Where are these competent players? So far I see one person claiming 8% is fine and three claiming it's not. Not to mention all the people that continue to pay 10M instead of 10$ for an extra 4%.



And yet you still put movement speed on your ASA pants.

Yeah as do many others. How will it not be viable for kiting? Do you even know the difference 4% movement speed will make? I paid 10 dollars for the storyline, I am a sucker for SE games and I enjoyed the content. No different than someone spending 10 bucks on a subscription to a movie or renting a game or what not, its fun and its content that I enjoyed. I didn't buy it for the sole purpose of getting the legs.

[.Sotek.]

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Do you even know the difference 4% movement speed will make?

I think the question is, do you?

No you do not.

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I paid 10 dollars for the storyline, I am a sucker for SE games and I enjoyed the content. No different than someone spending 10 bucks on a subscription to a movie or renting a game or what not, its fun and its content that I enjoyed. I didn't buy it for the sole purpose of getting the legs.

You still wasted the augments on the legs though.

[Daggermaster]

my pants broseph. no shitty movement speed here

[Forgotten_Memory]

Daggermaster, on 16 March 2010 - 10:37 PM, said:

so wait? kiting you dont need movement speed? 5% will greatly effect the outcome of the fight wat? Mahatma slops>any MAB/M.acc+4 augment on those legs. of course PDT MDT Enfeeb skill are all great upgrades, you idiot. If you get gaiters, you obtain the ability to get PDT-4%/whatever else you put on your fucking legs. Why make your legs weaker, when you can get 12% movement speed and have an extra 4% PDT
Edit: when did we become unable to change gear? did they take macros out of the game?

You don't always need movement speed to kite a simple mob in einherjar... that is what I was referencing to your last post.

It 4%, get it right.

I said Mahatma slops is better than any possible augment on the legs? Maybe I missed that somewhere.... Mahatma slops have more use than nuking is what I said.

Why would the legs be weaker? You would need two slots for that specific combo to beat current gear, you can't just choose -PDT and one other. Matk+4 and -pdt?

[Daggermaster]

PDT and haste