[Forgotten_Memory]

Daggermaster, on 16 March 2010 - 10:55 PM, said:

cause dusk+1 is hard to get right? Only thing im missing is v.belt and dusk gloves+1 (0/10 on synths atm) and rdm af2 body for precast.

You care so bad about the 1% haste that you claim pushes that last second off the spell then get v belt and bam that augment isn't needed.

[Daggermaster]

Forgotten_Memory, on 16 March 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

lol seriously? Ix'mnk that you can kite indefinitely (WITHOUT movement speed gear I might add...) needs a full blown haste build? Ix'drk which is in the same boat as mnk? Geeze you must be very bad at blm then.

nice job making assumptions there buddy, shit can go wrong and making a wrong turn can make the mob path towards you, i solo it as blm/rdm anyways. i only did blm/nin when i first started as i was still unsure of how i would do.

[Forgotten_Memory]

Daggermaster, on 16 March 2010 - 11:00 PM, said:

You cant check a mob every hour manually? I had no idea that it was that difficult....

Not every LS is geared towards HNM, people would be exping doing some other shit not every ls is full of people who will jump to the becon call of a HNM. Can't really do much about that can you? Limbus on the other hand is scheduled.

[Forgotten_Memory]

Daggermaster, on 16 March 2010 - 11:01 PM, said:

nice job making assumptions there buddy, shit can go wrong and making a wrong turn can make the mob path towards you, i solo it as blm/rdm anyways. i only did blm/nin when i first started as i was still unsure of how i would do.

Bull, I kite it very easily on BLM lol and never had this problem. If you have this problem then /nin is for you and you can easily get away from him fast enough (w/o movement speed again).

Edit: Also paying attention helps...

This post has been edited by Forgotten_Memory: 16 March 2010 - 11:04 PM

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Forgotten_Memory, on 16 March 2010 - 11:03 PM, said:

Bull, I kite it very easily on BLM lol and never had this problem. If you have this problem then /nin is for you and you can easily get away from him fast enough (w/o movement speed again).

Edit: Also paying attention helps...

i never said it is hard to kite. its a stupid easy mob. but sometimes, if you run it around TOO much, then it can turn and get a few hits off. i've solo'd him with and without movement speed, and ill say movement speed makes the pull 100x safer.

[Daggermaster]

Forgotten_Memory, on 16 March 2010 - 11:00 PM, said:

You care so bad about the 1% haste that you claim pushes that last second off the spell then get v belt and bam that augment isn't needed.

?by that...if i had v.belt/dusk gloves+1 and nash legs, im at 19% haste and 1 FC on head. why would i gimp myself? with my setup ill have 4+4+6+3+3=20% haste. ill take my 20 over your 19 tyvm.

[Jurojin]

Thread has ended.

You used Ix'aerns as an example of how movement speed gear works.

You have just confirmed my assumption of how clueless you are.


Most mobs "pace up" at intervals/tiers or whatever you want to call it of 12.5% (>8%) and will destroy your sorry ass. Ix'aerns run at 100% speed and thus don't require movement gear, true, but you're a retard for using mobs that run at normal pace as your prime argument.

[.Sotek.]

Did he seriously just argue (again) that getting less of something is a replacement?
Getting two extra haste on belt and you don't need three on legs. Yeah, that makes sense.

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lol how it is harder to get? You could even buy it for what 3 mil? As opposed to the 8~10 mil item!

How exactly do ASA pants cost 8~10M?
You could get ASA pants for 3% haste or you could get Nashira Seraweels 2% haste. We've apparently moved on from your gross lack of understanding about movement speed to your gross lack of understanding of haste, or basic maths. 3% > 2%. Next you'll be telling us Novio earring isnt worth the ~12M and we should just use Moldavite instead.
Farming an Ultima pop will take atleast a week, while ASA shouldn't take any more than a day or two. You could buy the pants but only jews buy Limbus drops (real people sell them) and the pants arent a 100% drop so regardless, ASA pants are easier to get.

I'll entertain the idea that Gaiters are harder to get though (your dealing with people that laugh at your botting issue so don't try to bring that up as an issue).
You say if LS isn't geared to HNM wont get easily? No fucking shit! You don't use a Social LS to camp HNMs you moron.
Let me turn that around though, if your LS isn't geared towards Limbus so you do no split runs, you'd take 18 days to get a pop set and a further 3 to pop and kill, leaving you with 21 days. If Tiamat spawns on the last window every time, that still leaves you with 4 pops where you'd only do 1 Proto-Ultima. Lets not even touch on the drop rates.
Fuck, in 21 days I could get 20M and buy Gaiters and still have enough gil left over to throw at poor people who augment 8% movement speed.

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Yes that is the question, but it is directed at you still. Do you know the difference 4% makes? Please explain or prove! Nope not a waste, I saved myself 8~10+ mil for my BLM and gained -4% PDT : )

Yes I know the difference 4% makes. You don't though. You don't even know the NMs movement speed is needed for.
To spell it out for you though, NMs you need movement speed for don't move at 108% speed or less. I shouldn't need to explain the rest.

How exactly did you save yourself 8~10M? You yourself said that movement speed is the least needed thing, and that CP/INT/MAB would be better replacements. You can put all of those stats on ASA pants, so question, why did you augment 8% movement speed when according to you, other stats are more important?

[Kinrasha]

Wait... wait... I have the answer.

Yes, they can bot WoTG hnm's.

[Venlo]

Daggermaster, on 16 March 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

are you seriously that fucking stupid? Movement speed will do more for you than a 4 MAB will ever do you. shut the fuck up.

Wait a minute, they removed the ability to swap gear between casts? You can't have both MAB and movement speed when you need each? Or are people able to run while casting now?

Forgotten_Memory, on 16 March 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:

Also lol @ suggesting morrigans body and ares is useless.

There's a difference between calling something useless and simply stating that something isn't a significant upgrade compared to other available gear.
http://wiki.ffxiclop.../Adaman_Hauberk
http://wiki.ffxiclop...res%27s_Cuirass

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Also by your logic, lets just say theoretically (cause you haven't even done it) that 8% is unable to solo faith.

You really can't gain ground on him - without gravity, anyway - even with a 12% movement increase. The only time you'd be able to put distance between you and it would be while it's casting, so if you're struggling to get ahead due to 4% slower movement, then you won't want to stop and risk eating stonega or breakga to get some damage off.

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[Daggermaster]

i think this thread is done, unless he comes back with an argument that explains why less>more

[Jurojin]

Go learn Faith, 12% and /nin is enough to kite him with no end. He may run faster than 12% (25) but with smart pathing and abusing his "AI" you can easily outrun him for all times.

Duo with mix and match of BLM/NIN and RDM/NIN (can be both aswell) takes around 30-60 Minutes. (This doesn't exclude solos, as it's possible, just would take ridiculously long due missing nukes)

tl;dr: 12% without grav = np

This post has been edited by Jurojin: 19 March 2010 - 06:43 AM

[Daggermaster]

I dont think its possible to "solo" faith with 1 character,2 yes, but 1 single rdm or blm cannot solo faith on their own lol

[Jurojin]

Grav+nuke closed form fast, so you won't use more than one Grav a time to open it up

Open form = no grav and use it to get full MP back , or even Convert , to make sure you can nuke it open when it shifts again , only use DoTs during open form.
Not easy, but doable, with 12% you won't get hit by any spells if you path right, except for Slowga at most, which hardly matters when kiting.

[Daggermaster]

I call bullshit until i see it done. That thing runs way too fast, and RDM cant deal enough dmg before grav resists without zone killing

[Jurojin]

l2r

[Daggermaster]

im tired, repost it in simpler terms... D:

[Forgotten_Memory]

Jurojin, on 17 March 2010 - 06:59 AM, said:

Thread has ended.

You used Ix'aerns as an example of how movement speed gear works.

You have just confirmed my assumption of how clueless you are.


Most mobs "pace up" at intervals/tiers or whatever you want to call it of 12.5% (>8%) and will destroy your sorry ass. Ix'aerns run at 100% speed and thus don't require movement gear, true, but you're a retard for using mobs that run at normal pace as your prime argument.

Um what? When did I use Ix'aern as an example, he is the one who brought it up. Learn to read better.

[Forgotten_Memory]

Apparently you people don't know how to read so I will state it again,

"In regards to your other examples, you don't NEED movement speed +12% to solo a majority of NM or things in this game that is completely different than NEEDING +more stats or gear that improves other stats. 8% can solo NM's w/o trouble and that extra 4% won't help in any way if you aren't dying or even getting hit more due to 8%. That +str or other beneficial stat will *always* help in dealing more dmg or whatever it can benefit. How will 4% extra speed always help ifyou can reliably do it just fine w/8%? You don't get hit more often, you don't take more damage what benefit is the 4%? Makes you be able to be lazier due to getting away 4% faster? I seriously doubt it will drastically improve your solo's. Spend the gil on something more worthwhile, plenty of items out there that I am sure players will need. If not then go for it!"

I didn't say "Less > more" but keep trying.

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There's a difference between calling something useless and simply stating that something isn't a significant upgrade compared to other available gear.

lulz, jump on him !!!!

[Daggermaster]

not even gonna try arguing with you unless you come up with some real arguments. 12%>8% nothing more to say.