[Escaflone]

Sorry for the plethora of threads I have been making lately, however I am not a good person to be asking for answers for mathematical equations vs Kaparu and Spider-Dan of this forum, and have come here to ask my questions, about a debate that has stated on another thread. It is very good there so why not bring it here?

As the Title states, its about the uses of an X-Hit build with Ranger, vs the normal damage gear w/mix of acc/str, vs an RNG with an X-Hit build with Store-TP gear in mind aside from Rajas and Skadi(which are given already that are useful for RNG, and not primarily used for STP Builds).

As we currently know, you need 36 STP as /SAM to reach a 20.1 TP gain 5-hit build with Ebow.

Skadi 7
Raja 5
/sam 15

That comes to a total of 27, you need 9 more. Meaning Rose Strap and Mekki is an option. Or you can use the WIngs STP+9 Body instead.

However, with he release of the Ebon jerkin: , 5% Snapshot is more enticing.

However, if I am only ever using /WAR, would SAM outdo the benefits that /war ultimately give?

What are the uses of STP Gear w/X-Hit setups in Endgame? Is it Valid? Is it worthwhile? Why? Is it more plausible to use STP Staff, rings body and gear for an X-Hit to WS faster, or it more plausible and more beneficial, aswell as able to output more damage with the Vulcans, Snapshot equip and other gear? And why?

I have no real 'proof' that a STP build is insignificant vs a normally geared RNG, however I believe in my experiences with trying it, I have seen better results over time than a STP build would give me by sacrificing all the str acc and ranged attack gear I could equip to make myself an X-Hit Build. Nor do I totally neglect the idea of it, which is why I've come here to see what its uses are, if its reliable enough to use on a daily basis.

Thank you for your time, and answers I shall undoubtedly receive in this post. ^^

[Fobos]

Escaflone, on 16 January 2010 - 11:34 AM, said:

That comes to a total of 27, you need 9 more. Meaning Rose Strap and Mekki is an option. Or you can use the WIngs STP+9 Body instead.

If you are referring to Cobra Unit Harness, which I think you are, it is Store TP+6, not +9

Escaflone, on 16 January 2010 - 11:34 AM, said:

However, with he release of the Ebon jerkin: , 5% Snapshot is more enticing.

I think a better option, for those who can and are aiming for a X-hit build, in terms of body, would be Mirke Wardecors with Store TP +4 / Subtle Blow +4 and Snapshot +5%

I personally think a 5-hit build sacrifices too much gear. Not only because you need Store TP +36 during TP phase, but also during your WS. As you said in your post, you need +9 after /SAM, Rajas and Skadi Legs. Mekki Shakki and Rose Strap seem like the best option.

6-hit on the other hand is easy to achieve and a great option:

If I made any mistakes on my math, please correct :3

For Ebow/Vbow using Delay 90 arrows, you have a compound delay of 580, meaning you get 14.8 TP/hit. You need therefore Store TP +13 fulltime for a 6-hit. (14.8 x 1.13 = 16.724 rounded down to 16.7)

However, you can still achieve 6-hit if you wish to only use Rajas during WS (14.8 x 1.05 = 15.54 rounded down to 15.5). Therefore, to get the Store TP needed during TP phase: 100 - 15-5 = 84.5 / 5 = 16.9 TP/hit needed

16.9 / 14.8 = 1.141 rounded up to 1.15 (Store TP +15) since game rounds down always.

Several options that allow this without much sacrifices on your gear:

Option 1) /SAM = +15 = Automatic 6-hit with no sacrifices on gear while WS'ing

Option 2) Rajas + Skadi Legs + Rose Strap / Mirke Wardecors Augment = +16 (Best option IMO when no /SAM)

It all comes down to STR+3 from Axe Grip vs. Your other augment from Mirke in place of Store TP +4 / Subtle Blow +4 (normally R.Attk +10 or R.Acc+10)

Option 3) Rajas + Skadi + Mekki Shakki = +17 (Allows you to keep Axe Grip, sacrifices Vulcan Staff)

Option 4) Rajas + Enkidu Legs + Meki Shakki = +15 (Sacrifices Vulcan Staff, same as Option 3)

For O.bow, it is even easier to achieve 6-hit because bolt delays are much higher than arrow delays.

O.bow and Bolt compound delay: 624 which gives you 15.2 TP/Hit. You only need Store TP+10 for 6-hit. Same deal as above, if you wish only to keep Rajas during WS, you get WS TP return of:
15.2 x 1.05 = 15.96 rounded down to 15.9. Therefore 100 - 15.9 = 84.1 / 5 = 16.82 must be rounded UP to 16.9 TP/hit.

To achieve this, you would need 16.9 / 15.2 = 1.111 rounded up to 1.12. Meaning that you need Store TP +12 during TP phase to only use Rajas for WS.

This sacrifices even less than Ebow/Vbow...
The obvious best option, bar /SAM, is Rajas + Skadi Legs

Now, with regards to a 5-hit, it's a matter of comparing many different setups:

- RNG/SAM with automatic 6-hit

- RNG/SAM with 5-hit and several sacrifices on certain pieces of gear, like the ones Escaflone showed, because they must be on during TP and WS phases
/SAM + Rajas + Skadi Legs + Rose Strap + Mekki Shakki
The sacrifices here are: Vulcan Staff, Axe Grip, WS pants (aka Hachiryu Haidate as best choice?)

- RNG/WAR with 6-hit (higher damage but no meditate or thirdeye)
Rajas + Skadi + Rose Strap = sacrifices Axe grip
Rajas + Skadi + Mirke = sacrifices the other possible augment on mirke (R.acc or R.attk) and assumes people choose the obvious first augment of Snapshot +5

- RNG with Samurai Roll?

In my personal opinion, it all comes down to RNG/SAM with automatic 6-hit vs RNG/WAR with 6-hit (when of course RNG/WAR should win in a zerg). RNG/SAM with 5-hit sacrifices too much imo, but more than all it is a hassle, and may cause RNG/SAM with 6-hit to pull ahead due to WS dmg.

I'm in no way making conclusions, it's just my personal feelings. I'm looking forward to other points of view of course. If I made any mistakes on my math, please let me know :3

[Escaflone]

Anyone else have some concrete testing on this they could link me to per chance though? o.o