[Corrderio]

Yhelothur, on 21 January 2010 - 05:39 PM, said:

PUP is the worst job to SMN burn. Their automaton becomes completely worthless if it's got no skill.

And yeah, I hate BLU's that don't cast anything other than head butt. It's nice, sure... But don't you have some other spells?

That's one reason I hate PUP, the automaton is a pain in the ass to skill up considering you need to do it 3 times.

[Escaflone]

Black Mages who do not cast stoneskin with MND gear on, nor cast blink, don't kite when having hate(less a reason is needed not to), then bitch they die loose exp and want r3 in Dynamis.

Then in return the RDM who is stupid enough to cure bomb them to keep them alive, rather then being able to Refresh them because they keep dying. Let them die, let them all die. -.- Burn it with fire!

[olo]

Yeah pup would suck too, I'll admit I don't know much about pup, but

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Their automaton becomes completely worthless if it's got no skill.

A Blu with No skill is worthless as well, good luck learning any spells.

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Not really, you could just level up Blue Magic the same way BRDs/RDMs do. Use enfeebling magic spells on goldfish and spam the hell out of them.

The difference would be that BRDs/RDMs can get their spells to use on the fish from the AH.


Correction: Blu & Pup would have to be the worst jobs to smn burn..

[Kerayu]

Blu who cast in full Enkidu+relic head....well actually she full times it. Blu who full times Blood legs....cause..it has a white box? (Hell I don't know) or better yet the blu who casts in relic body and Nash legs >.>b

I swear some of the blu in my ls are really stupid....and they wonder why I can do so much more damage than they can -.- Then again they wonder how I get +70~83str too, the one other good blu we had left cause he thought all our blu's were dumbass, yet I was stuck on blm all the time so he never saw mine =/

Rdm's who think their only job is to maintain a Haste/refresh cycle (Hello...debuffs.....status cures....cures!!!!) or just full time a mixture of AF/Relic/Errant, and think that adding enhancing skill for Phalanx II is a waste or misconstrues being told to use gear swaps by replying (and yes...a rdm actually said this) "Why should I worry if my gear will give a couple more haste% to the spell when I caste it in the right gear" /facepalm They actually though casting "in the right gear" enhanced the spell haste and gave more % to it >.> Even if it did...why the hell wouldn't you?

Blm who can't/won't use Elemental/Macc builds in necessary situations then wonder why on the Timed nuke that should only take 5 blm....fails cause 2 of them get resisted.

Pld who don't use cover on someone who runs behind them, and won't cure who has hate to get it back before they die....even though they lived for 8~9 hits.

Sam who stand in front of the mob who uses conal attacks full time cause they think Overwhelm is active on melee hits instead of WS only.

The list goes on >.>........ SE needs to nerf AFB's I'm tired of running into these idiots who don't know the job cause they didn't actually lvl the damn job.

This post has been edited by Kerayu: 10 April 2010 - 11:48 AM

[Austar2.0]

Galka.

[Aeonknight]

Brayker, on 18 January 2010 - 11:42 PM, said:

Blue mages that refuse to set diamondhide because 'its a waste of MP and I wont get hit and get TP'

I had a blu in limbus tell me this, and it was the last time I went with this group.

Of all the comments in the thread, this is probably the only one I respectfully disagree with.

I'm not completely anti-Diamondhide, but if I'm trying to cannonball and some lolSAM wants me to Diamondhide him @ Dark Ixion cause he can't lrn2avoidRampantStance and won't sub NIN... then I'm not lowering my damage overall to save him.

In other words, if you're aiming for a pure DD spell list/mentallity then no, you really don't set diamondhide. a few essentials like head butt, magic fruit, and an auto refresh combo. The rest should be towards DD'ing. You spread yourself out too thin, you end up doing a whole lot of everything, and none of it good.


But I'm sure you know this

[rambus]

Prothescar, on 20 January 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:

Homam zuchetto.

that.
i also hate the full time morr thingy because i spentz lots of gil on it.

Brayker, on 18 January 2010 - 11:42 PM, said:

Blue mages that refuse to set diamondhide because 'its a waste of MP and I wont get hit and get TP'

I had a blu in limbus tell me this, and it was the last time I went with this group.

All job prospective there is very limited situation where I would care if this spell is set. maybe if you are doing low man limbus is odd setups sure. Most cases however if your main heal can not keep your hp up and their mp they fail, if i am in your pt as SCH you better not be casting that at all, mine takes more damage, costs less mp, and has a lower recast.

from a blu prospective taking account from the prospective I have on other jobs I do not want to set the spell, it costs too much resources to use ( blu points, mp and cast time).

Some limited situations I can see, having it on NIN tank when you have no one else as some sort of buffer go a head, it could save them on an interrupt.
If you have a good amount of people for limbus ( 10+) stuff would be dieing before you get to hit everyone with the spell, they would be running around too much. there is of course some areas this does not apply ( not everything in limbus is butter but a lot is) for but that spell is a very limited use, kind of like what the above guy is saying. costs too much resources. If you are on that floor with those spam happy monkeys , sure it is nice to protect people from potentially getting one shoted. SMN and SCH should be doing it before you do , easier for those jobs to do it then you. If for some reason I had a SMN and a BLU in the same party or BLU and SCH I do not want the blu to set that spell, it has other "jobs" it can do with those points.

even in parties or whenever i see blu use it its like they may cast it once or twice near the start of ( insert event here) then never see it again. it simply costs too much resources to use effectively.

Kerayu, on 10 April 2010 - 11:46 AM, said:

Blu who cast in full Enkidu+relic head....well actually she full times it. Blu who full times Blood legs....cause..it has a white box? (Hell I don't know) or better yet the blu who casts in relic body and Nash legs >.>b

I swear some of the blu in my ls are really stupid....and they wonder why I can do so much more damage than they can -.- Then again they wonder how I get +70~83str too, the one other good blu we had left cause he thought all our blu's were dumbass, yet I was stuck on blm all the time so he never saw mine =/

Rdm's who think their only job is to maintain a Haste/refresh cycle (Hello...debuffs.....status cures....cures!!!!) or just full time a mixture of AF/Relic/Errant, and think that adding enhancing skill for Phalanx II is a waste or misconstrues being told to use gear swaps by replying (and yes...a rdm actually said this) "Why should I worry if my gear will give a couple more haste% to the spell when I caste it in the right gear" /facepalm They actually though casting "in the right gear" enhanced the spell haste and gave more % to it >.> Even if it did...why the hell wouldn't you?

Blm who can't/won't use Elemental/Macc builds in necessary situations then wonder why on the Timed nuke that should only take 5 blm....fails cause 2 of them get resisted.

Pld who don't use cover on someone who runs behind them, and won't cure who has hate to get it back before they die....even though they lived for 8~9 hits.

Sam who stand in front of the mob who uses conal attacks full time cause they think Overwhelm is active on melee hits instead of WS only.

The list goes on >.>........ SE needs to nerf AFB's I'm tired of running into these idiots who don't know the job cause they didn't actually lvl the damn job.

what are you "attacking" that requires both an acc set and time nuking? I know of nothing like this, the only event that comes close of meeting this is oyuru and even then people dont call "times" but it has a seris of "timed" nukes since you do not nuke it on the ground.

BLM in proper/best acc builds for x always been a battle and getting people to use the right sets in x situation, it has nothing to do with AB burns.
In fact from my experience the idiot population jumped when Aht urhgan came out, AB parties made a small impact when you compare it to aht Urhgan. (I did not see any increase since AB came out)

hmm I should read more, i think the people like this are few, i never ran into any:

Daiskue14, on 20 January 2010 - 06:46 PM, said:

in sea asked a blu why doesnt he have diseverment tho he has been doing limbus 2+ months, he replied he was skilling up because he smn burned it to 75 from 10....and he has homam legs

I did not even know it was possible to have under leveled skill for that long. My brd was babied in a way to 75 ( all i did was buff and cure on alt chr i has like skill 90 at 75) This was before level sync as well so with it would make it worse ( some get 35-75 in east ron and so on) Point with this it is not just AB burn that can make problems like the one you named. I hope he has a different job that he went to limbus too frequently.

This post has been edited by rambus: 11 April 2010 - 11:54 PM

[Kerayu]

Rambus, it's called Dynamis-Xarc multi-target time nukes. Any blm knows if you don't have the target int/Skill or int/skill/macc build you'll get resisted. When you are doing this with a specific number of blm the gear is no longer situation so much as it is required to get the job done. If you don't, then that resist can fuck people over.

Additionally, as far as AFB are concerned, yes it has created a surplus of fucking morons. People with improper skill lvl's, spells for the lvl, nuances of the job you learn by lvling it do not come with people who AFB a job. ToAU only screwed up the classic party setup of 3 mage, tank, 2melee and the use of Skillchains and instead became the more DD with COR or BRD buffs you can manage the better.

Please try to understand a situation before you randomly stick your foot in your mouth like you almost always seem to.

[rambus]

Kerayu, on 14 April 2010 - 01:07 PM, said:

Rambus, it's called Dynamis-Xarc multi-target time nukes. Any blm knows if you don't have the target int/Skill or int/skill/macc build you'll get resisted. When you are doing this with a specific number of blm the gear is no longer situation so much as it is required to get the job done. If you don't, then that resist can fuck people over.

Additionally, as far as AFB are concerned, yes it has created a surplus of fucking morons. People with improper skill lvl's, spells for the lvl, nuances of the job you learn by lvling it do not come with people who AFB a job. ToAU only screwed up the classic party setup of 3 mage, tank, 2melee and the use of Skillchains and instead became the more DD with COR or BRD buffs you can manage the better.

Please try to understand a situation before you randomly stick your foot in your mouth like you almost always seem to.

Nothing in dyna requires an acc setup.you are going to get a resist now and then because of the " cap acc thing" or the random factor, whatever you want t call it. I soloed oneshoed with my self as my blm and sch (quite sad my SCH alt does more on IV then my AM II despite my gear), i been there as my sch alt with not even cap ele merits and have no issues. there is no reason to compain about acc setups there unless you are meeting blms in mp gear. that i can understand. The only " acc" i use on blm is the 7 ele skill w/e it is on my wisket ( this is not an acc piece so i do not care what the number is), SCH has none. ( my sch has like +60 int or something like that though) oh and ele skill when i use ice nukes of course. I useally see doing the eyes one at a time more then ga nuking, seems to flow better.

BLMs that do not gear properly always existed, people hording on mp was the useall forum.

AFB does not compare to ATU, not on a mass skill anyway, like that blu example one can even say AFB parties are fine as long they take the time to skill up later.

all AFB did was expose the lazy people easier.

even without AFB level sync it self still had the skill up issues. level sync was needed but people choose to abuse it on thier own. the AHU style of exp ing however led to more lazy melee and blm because they did not have to communicate with skillchains and less mobs to fight that needed heavy NA. then you have BLMS not learn thier sc and mbs cuz they where stuck solo and in their own pts.

the biggest down fall in this area was AHU not ATB

This post has been edited by rambus: 16 April 2010 - 01:19 AM

[Kerayu]

You know rambus, the day that the Blm next to me wearing straight MAB/INT gear out nukes my setup in dyn-xarc consistently, without massive resists rates, I'll believe you. Truth of the matter is I get stuck on the job more than I care to and I see the difference in nuke cap and resist rate when a blm thinks they can waltz in like they are nuking puddings. I've seen it on multi-target and single target, so you telling me that it isn't required is bs because you are comparing it to stats of your own fanciful number. Additionally, your sch will do more than your blm cause they have the ability to place themselves under any weather effect of their choosing where as a blm cannot.

Anyway, I'm done debating with you. You're starting to make me /facepalm more than anyone in my LS just due to your arrogance on the matter.

[Tikki]

rambus, on 16 April 2010 - 12:43 AM, said:

Nothing in dyna requires an acc setup.you are going to get a resist now and then because of the " cap acc thing" or the random factor, whatever you want t call it. I soloed oneshoed with my self as my blm and sch (quite sad my SCH alt does more on IV then my AM II despite my gear), i been there as my sch alt with not even cap ele merits and have no issues. there is no reason to compain about acc setups there unless you are meeting blms in mp gear. that i can understand. The only " acc" i use on blm is the 7 ele skill w/e it is on my wisket ( this is not an acc piece so i do not care what the number is), SCH has none. ( my sch has like +60 int or something like that though) oh and ele skill when i use ice nukes of course. I useally see doing the eyes one at a time more then ga nuking, seems to flow better.

Considering the number of times I've seen 4 blms FAIL on the timed aoe eye nuke, I have to disagree. Where you say oneshot, I say only if it's a statue.

[rambus]

Tikki, on 16 April 2010 - 06:55 PM, said:

Considering the number of times I've seen 4 blms FAIL on the timed aoe eye nuke, I have to disagree. Where you say oneshot, I say only if it's a statue.

i do not think it was a statue unless they can pop behind wall and dont move, been a while i might be mistaken.

ill try find it in ss when i have time.

Kerayu, on 16 April 2010 - 03:17 PM, said:

You know rambus, the day that the Blm next to me wearing straight MAB/INT gear out nukes my setup in dyn-xarc consistently, without massive resists rates, I'll believe you. Truth of the matter is I get stuck on the job more than I care to and I see the difference in nuke cap and resist rate when a blm thinks they can waltz in like they are nuking puddings. I've seen it on multi-target and single target, so you telling me that it isn't required is bs because you are comparing it to stats of your own fanciful number. Additionally, your sch will do more than your blm cause they have the ability to place themselves under any weather effect of their choosing where as a blm cannot.

Anyway, I'm done debating with you. You're starting to make me /facepalm more than anyone in my LS just due to your arrogance on the matter.

thats pretty fail, i seen ga and doing 1 at a time never had issues, i think the smallest amount for gaing the eyes behind the walls was 3 or 4 blm, the other blms didnt get casts off because they where dead

This post has been edited by rambus: 16 April 2010 - 11:32 PM

[MattelotLeviathan]

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Stuff that makes you /facepalm....

Rambus

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The job itself

[Vstylz]

Stuff that makes you /facepalm....
yea i agree Rambus makes me /facepalm but if ignore the local idiot....
Fulltime enkidu harness
no gear swaps to maxamize output of other spells
doing an event leaving your af in npc storage on purpose
not using headnbutt
not seeing how good certain situational magic based spells are (example: I get more mp return outta magic hammer then mp drainkiss)
going DD to an endgame event as /nin when if you manage your DD output the blu wont get hate that needs to go gimp /nin over /thf
seeing a blu/nin use cannonball for 350-400 dmg in events (again when you don't need to go /nin... if your /nin focus on the big 3.. if your /thf cannonball, VC, DS, ect. FTW)

there is so much that i now understand why ppl don't want a blu in the party because so many suk so badly. Its going to be hell LFPto 99 cause the blu name has been tarnished..

[Daeka]

Trying to farm spells, its a pain that I suppose all must suffer that level this job, but the quirks of spell farming is always a mixed bag of /facepalm

particularly the:

1. Mobs types that will spam every move they have except the one you need. And that even probably after the part after you had to kill its horn/weapon/god knows what else.
2. Going 1/1 on one spell but 1/60 on another on killing mobs that actually deigned you worthy to use the move in your presence.


Astral Burn Blus and Pups may be bad, but they don't pop up as fast as astral burn summoners themselves. While I have small issue with this conflagration of people with the job leveled, It's the "Oh hi, I have 75 smn, and my Smn skill matches my Level, " summoners that make me /facepalm

This post has been edited by Daeka: 05 June 2010 - 04:18 AM