[treelo]

Kobayashimaru, on 13 June 2010 - 05:14 PM, said:

Blah blah blah.

I've seen a lot of the X-Files, as well as both movies. Hell, I even played the game. Mulder believed, saw what he wanted to see, was mostly "right" about everything. Scully was the sceptic, conveniently missing the parts which would have definitely proven that the truth was indeed out there. The entire thing was based around tried and tested conspiracy theories about shady organisations manipulating governments. There were aliens. Individual episodes my have held some entertainment but the series as a whole, and the movies, was tripe.

As for Star Trek, you can weep all you want about the desecration of your beloved outdated series but when I go to see a blockbuster I expect it to look shit hot with lots of explosions. It had the Enterprise, it had the characters, that's good enough for me. Yes, I'm shallow as hell.

[Vigilous]

Bah, I was hoping to have finished by edit before your post.

[Kobayashimaru]

Vigilous, on 13 June 2010 - 05:41 PM, said:

Dear fucking god, it's like BP caused another spill - this time on the internet and instead of oil, it's stupid.



Based on this, I can only assume you've never watched an episode, either. Or any of the series.



This is why nine year olds should be banned from the internet. None of the shows you listed "ripped off" the X-Files buddy dynamic. It's a plot set up that has been around forever.

Edited for spelling/grammar and formatting.

In the time it took for you to try and "pwn" me you do realize you never actually made a point, right?

The list of plot points in The X-Files I gave is true, and if you would like, go ahead and explain to me how Star Trek (the franchise, not including the Abrams abortion) was NOT about the betterment of mankind and the possibilities of our true potential. That was Roddenberry's vision.

As for the The X-Files Mulder/Scully dynamic not being ripped as you claim it wasn't, well, I'm not going to waste my time connecting the dots from A to B to C so your puny mind can understand. But I will give you one example:


In The X-Files FBI agents Mulder and Scully (one of whom is a believer, one of whom is a skeptic) investigate the paranormal and have a great deal of sexual tension that is teased in every episode. Now, Fringe: Some blond bimbo FBI agent and the kid from Dawson's Creek (one of whom is a believer, one of whom is a skeptic) investigate the paranormal and have a great deal of sexual tension that is teased in every episode.
Yeah, not a ripoff.

[Npalmatti]

treelo, on 13 June 2010 - 05:49 PM, said:

I've seen a lot of the X-Files, as well as both movies. Hell, I even played the game. Mulder believed, saw what he wanted to see, was mostly "right" about everything. Scully was the sceptic, conveniently missing the parts which would have definitely proven that the truth was indeed out there. The entire thing was based around tried and tested conspiracy theories about shady organisations manipulating governments. There were aliens. Individual episodes my have held some entertainment but the series as a whole, and the movies, was tripe.

As for Star Trek, you can weep all you want about the desecration of your beloved outdated series but when I go to see a blockbuster I expect it to look shit hot with lots of explosions. It had the Enterprise, it had the characters, that's good enough for me. Yes, I'm shallow as hell.

Are you still upset that you have to come on to a forum for people to listen to you? That you were, maybe, the type of girl Jame Gumb would've gone for? It's a real shame that you take out your anger at your obvious physical, mental and social maladies on other people. Instead of just correct you for your frankly stupid opinions, I'll give you the advice your father should have given you from day one: give a blowjob to a beretta. See you around, Fredrica Bimmel.

[treelo]

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the betterment of mankind and the possibilities of our true potential.

If the betterment of mankind includes flying around space and shagging then killing almost every alien species, then the original series probably fits it quite well. By TNG, special effects had improved, and sleeping with aliens was more of a taboo, so they blew stuff up instead. The films had much bigger budgets, so that covers the wars.

Just because they were in space, didn't make them better people. Unless of course universal domination is our true potential.

<insert The Federation/Star Fleet reply here>

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Are you so upset that you have to make a new account on a forum to a) hide behind or b ) cry? That you were, maybe, the type of guy anyone would've gone for? It's hilarious that you take out your anger at my supposed physical, mental and social maladies. Instead of just correct you for your frankly stupid opinions, I'll edit your post. See you around, Fat Bastard.

This post has been edited by treelo: 13 June 2010 - 06:16 PM

[Vigilous]

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The list of plot points in The X-Files I gave is true, and if you would like, go ahead and explain to me how Star Trek (the franchise, not including the Abrams abortion) was NOT about the betterment of mankind and the possibilities of our true potential. That was Roddenberry's vision.

I never said it was. You seem to be under the delusion that it was only ever about that. Previous Star Trek series were just as much about action as it was about "mankind" (Kirk's shirts had to get ripped SOMEHOW). Although, I think it's funny you mentioned DS9, which was actually about how sinister and dark both humans and other species could get.

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In The X-Files FBI agents Mulder and Scully (one of whom is a believer, one of whom is a skeptic) investigate the paranormal and have a great deal of sexual tension that is teased in every episode. Now, Fringe: Some blond bimbo FBI agent and the kid from Dawson's Creek (one of whom is a believer, one of whom is a skeptic) investigate the paranormal and have a great deal of sexual tension that is teased in every episode.
Yeah, not a ripoff.

Fringe is indeed a direct rip off of the X-Files. I am not denying that. My point was that you seem to think that Chris Carter created the buddy cop plot device. He didn't. It's been around well before either of us were born.

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[Npalmatti]

treelo, on 13 June 2010 - 06:03 PM, said:

If the betterment of mankind includes flying around space and shagging then killing almost every alien species, then the original series probably fits it quite well. By TNG, special effects had improved, and sleeping with aliens was more of a taboo, so they blew stuff up instead. The films had much bigger budgets, so that covers the wars.

Just because they were in space, didn't make them better people. Unless of course universal domination is our true potential.

<insert The Federation/Star Fleet reply here>

You missed the point, Fredrica.

[Kobayashimaru]

Looks like this thread is dead. Treelo, just to wanted to tell ya that Npalmatti is not me, can't say I disagree with him though. Just know that whenever I have something to say, I'll say it on this account and not on a fake one like some other pussies on this board. That is all.

[Banter]

Kobayashimaru, on 13 June 2010 - 10:02 PM, said:

Looks like this thread is dead. Treelo, just to wanted to tell ya that Npalmatti is not me, can't say I disagree with him though. Just know that whenever I have something to say, I'll say it on this account and not on a fake one like some other pussies on this board. That is all.

hey i'm a real account, you can go fuck yourself you stupid basement dweller

[Kobayashimaru]

Banter, on 14 June 2010 - 12:31 AM, said:

hey i'm a real account, you can go fuck yourself you stupid basement dweller

NOOOOT YOU. Attention whore.

[Npalmatti]

I think Kobayashimaru was talking to Treelo, the Fredrica Bimmel lookalike.

[Banter]

Kobayashimaru, on 14 June 2010 - 12:59 AM, said:

NOOOOT YOU. Attention whore.

you know what man you like ent, you can go fuck yourself anyways.

[firefeng]

Since everyone's being so delightfully forthcoming, then, I'll accede to the tone of the thread and be honest.

I don't really care about any of the series listed, and some of them have passable examples, including X-Files--despite its glaring lack of character development/depth. (I used to love that show as a kid just for the intro music.) Really, I just saw someone claiming Battlestar Galactica, X-Files, and Star Trek [insert random word here] as their favorites, and my schaudenfreude detection meter required I make a response. I have an Internet Asshole Quota™, you know, or I may lose my union card.

The only thing missing, really, was a claim along the lines of, "Stargate: SG-1 was one of the greatest shows ever because look at the depth of their group dynamics!!!" That would've just taken the cake.

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I think Kobayashimaru was talking to Treelo, the Fredrica Bimmel lookalike.

It was kind of funny the first time. Subsequent usage just made me wish you would take Opie and Anthony's cocks out of your mouth long enough to dance like a monkey for my continued amusement.

This post has been edited by firefeng: 14 June 2010 - 08:26 AM

[Velhart]

Star Trek not action huh? What do you call this epic scene and all the special effects put into it? Hmm?



But yea, Star Trek did have action, they just didn't shove it down your throat. Gene Roddenbary or however you spell his name, wanted you to vision how the future could be, not just watching spaceships go pew pew pew! But in all fairness, if you fought a monster like that, would your fighting style be better than Kirk's? Be honest! Haha

The latest Star Trek movie does slightly move away from this concept, but it still stays true to the vision, just with a more modern look to it. If any reason that is more action like, it is because well, its a movie, and you don't want to pay 9 dollars to see the YouTube video I showed you above. Only reason First Contact got away with keeping the same concept in the movie was because everyone who saw it knew the characters and how the show worked, and Picard just rocks at being Picard.

[Kobayashimaru]

Velhart, on 14 June 2010 - 11:01 AM, said:

But yea, Star Trek did have action, they just didn't shove it down your throat.

The new movie not only shoved it down your throat, it crammed into every orifice possible. I never claimed Star Trek never had action, I just said it was not an action franchise; meaning that action was not the centerpiece of the show.

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Gene Roddenbary or however you spell his name, wanted you to vision how the future could be, not just watching spaceships go pew pew pew! But in all fairness, if you fought a monster like that, would your fighting style be better than Kirk's? Be honest! Haha

The latest Star Trek movie does slightly move away from this concept, but it still stays true to the vision, just with a more modern look to it.

Let me name a couple of episodes off the top of my head: The Enemy Within (TOS) and Sarek (TNG). Both these episodes had their fair share of action but there was also a story to be told. This wasn't the case in ST09 because it was ALL ACTION.

The entire Star Trek 09 movie was ships going "pew pew pew" as you say. Hell even Star Trek: Nemesis - which is the most similar to ST09 - had some type of character story in the relationship between Shinzon and Picard. What did ST09 have?:

- Nero - A villain who hates the federation because they tried to save his homeworld but failed. What? Okay, so how about this scenario. My mother is burning to death in a car wreck and police and firemen do everything they can to save her but she is stuck in the car and burns to death, even though everyone did everything they could to save her. So by the logic of Kurtzman and Orci I should seek revenge on them? Right, stupid.
- Kirk's hamburger helper hands.
- A romance between Spock and Uhura that made no sense
- Tyler Perry
- Sky-diving through space (We'll just ignore physics here)
- More one-dimensional characters
- JJ Abrams peddling his fake wares (Slusho)
- Nero's ship is 'mining' ship but it looks more like borg cubes little brother
- Han Kirk or James T. Solo. Whichever you prefer.
- A PLETHORA of Star Wars references that had no place in a star trek film.
- etc. etc. etc.

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If any reason that is more action like, it is because well, its a movie, and you don't want to pay 9 dollars to see the YouTube video I showed you above. Only reason First Contact got away with keeping the same concept in the movie was because everyone who saw it knew the characters and how the show worked, and Picard just rocks at being Picard.

Wrath of Khan and First Contact are considered to be the best of the franchise and they were both heavy on action, but they didn't skimp on the writing, direction, or acting like ST09 did. Even the more hated films that were heavy on action had some type of decent storyline or character to remember (III, VII, X).

There is nothing redeeming about this movie and there is no element of Star Trek in it, you can't even show me where, it wasn't even a good action movie, I would rather watch 2012 or Volcano >.>. The movie was just JJ Abrams own little Star Wars clone.

[firefeng]

Velhart, on 14 June 2010 - 11:01 AM, said:

But in all fairness, if you fought a monster like that, would your fighting style be better than Kirk's?

Assuming this is The Future™, I would just shove a needle into my fucking skull, download shit directly into my brain, say, "Woah...I know kung fu," and beat the ever-loving shit out of the hapless fuckhead that put on an 80-lb. rubber suit before he tried fighting me.

Or, I would just

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Sky-diving through space (We'll just ignore physics here)

EVERYONE KNOWS GRAVITY GOES AWAY WHEN THERE'S NO ATMOSPHERE LOLPHYSICS

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it wasn't even a good action movie, I would rather watch 2012 or Volcano

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action movie, I would rather watch 2012 or Volcano

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action movie, 2012 or Volcano

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action, Volcano

Okay, my handy little crusted shit-lichen on the rear-side seat of KI's porcelain throne, you're done now. As soon as you're done orally subsuming your egregiously fucking revolting transvestite mother's hulking, veined phallus, you can go buttfuck yourself with the dual barrels of a 12-gauge shotgun before discharging the weapon right at your moaning moment of coital cannon climax.

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[Kobayashimaru]

firefeng, on 14 June 2010 - 12:46 PM, said:

EVERYONE KNOWS GRAVITY GOES AWAY WHEN THERE'S NO ATMOSPHERE LOLPHYSICS

No. Fag. The point I was making was that when they were entering the atmosphere they should have either been ripped apart by the velocity or burned up.

Maybe instead of cruising dictionary.com for your posts you should READ once in a while? Thanks.

[Npalmatti]

firefeng, on 14 June 2010 - 08:21 AM, said:

Since everyone's being so delightfully forthcoming, then, I'll accede to the tone of the thread and be honest.

I don't really care about any of the series listed, and some of them have passable examples, including X-Files--despite its glaring lack of character development/depth. (I used to love that show as a kid just for the intro music.) Really, I just saw someone claiming Battlestar Galactica, X-Files, and Star Trek [insert random word here] as their favorites, and my schaudenfreude detection meter required I make a response. I have an Internet Asshole Quota™, you know, or I may lose my union card.

The only thing missing, really, was a claim along the lines of, "Stargate: SG-1 was one of the greatest shows ever because look at the depth of their group dynamics!!!" That would've just taken the cake.



It was kind of funny the first time. Subsequent usage just made me wish you would take Opie and Anthony's cocks out of your mouth long enough to dance like a monkey for my continued amusement.

I'm so glad someone like you is here to show us the error of our ways. A holier-than-thou asshole who knows better than everyone. Indeed, our opinions were so incorrect you needed to grace us with your presence and tell us what's what. Looks like Hitler missed a few. Linger longer, shit dick.

This post has been edited by Npalmatti: 14 June 2010 - 01:50 PM

[Velhart]

I can't argue at all really to be honest. The current Star Trek movie was a hit or miss. Actually from what I heard, it pissed a lot of harcore Star Trek fans off, since it was in a parallel universe or something like that?

I thought the movie was good, but I can definetely understand if someone didn't like it, especially a hardcore Trek fan. I only liked The Next Generation and never cared for the classic episodes, I appreciate how it was done for their time, maybe its something I may have liked if I lived in that era.

First Contact > All. Nemesis was a joke. Nothing screams a good movie like Picard losing his temper and breaking the glass to his golden ships. NOOOOO!! THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HEYUH!!

[Banter]

I fucking LOVED SG-1. I don't give a shit about group dynamics; MacGuyver was a fucking bad ass in that show.