[DaEvilOne]

Anyone else think this means they are finally going to give us a natural regain? Of all the jobs, not only do I think we deserve it the most, but I don't really think it will over power us. Any thoughts? Or am I just full of it?

[Cream Soda]

I'm more interested in the comment made about being able to cure out of party.

[DaEvilOne]

Yeah, I realized I didn't link it then went back to read it and saw that and thought I should have said something about it but oh well.

Link : http://www.playonlin...2010/index.html

On the right side, scroll down on Twitter updates.

That is finally great that we should be able to cure outside of party. Another thing that can help DD that isn't directly aimmed at us, but they talked about how they might lower Sekkanoki, which would make our DD possibilites better no? But that will make it easier for everyone.

Edit: spaced between link so it would work :x

This post has been edited by DaEvilOne: 02 March 2010 - 05:06 PM

[Silvra]

DNC getting regain would not be overpowered. They should be able to heal and DD effectivly. Hell I still think all jobs should get natural Regen/Refresh to an extent. Also I would like to see an ability for DNC to up their damage. My thought for this was a job trait that increased base damage(not atk power since that doesnt scale as it should >.>) as TP icnreases. Meaning a DNC nativelly does more damage as they have higher TP. That way a DNC holding TP for curing and not blowing it on weaponskills would have their damage raised somewhat so they can effectivly melee at the same time. Also some subtle blow would be nice for DNC overall.

[rambus]

I do not know if it is because im not 75 yet or play it right but i really do not see potonal for the DD aspect for DNC. I have to suck up doing campain battles so I do not know if comparing the job how it does here is approate. First off I hate anything that blocks my tp use somehow ( like mire I actually had an invite there) or in campain battle where you face those yagudo that can strip your weapon to loose tp. I had to use 2 hr so i would not die when i used Reverse flourish > no tp from that move. then you have those bugs that spam that 0 tp thing. as far as killing speed I did not even get this mob to 50% yet before it warped out ( 15 mins went by on my 2 hr, it was the same mob that took my tp away) I swear my sch with its 230 staff skill kills faster then my dnc -.-. I also get more exp as my sch then my dnc, only lately as 70, 71 my dnc was able to hit 2k+ easily with poping a 5k run, my sch was doing this in the early 60's. it does nice damage if i can do building florish > wild flourish > DE for killing aggro i found in the Garlaige citadel [s]. I still never seen it used any event unless its one of those situations " we got all key jobs we dont care what you come as situations". I do not like the concept of putting NA spell on the same recast as your cures. I never seen a DNC able to solo cure anything like main healers can, best i seen was dnc being with a different support cure like smn or something. even in exp pts i can even figure out a good setup that would involve dnc, can dnc solo cure merits? I also do not get 1 finishing move when there is a level 5 debuff on the mob, just a bit annoying when in campain then i have to move to stutter step

lest SE can do is let dnc main be able to cure with that forgot ja and such, does not seem to have a lot of potential atm.

maybe the cure out of pt can be like have outside dnc on ixion and cure people off killing weak mobs, otherwise it sounds like a campaign battle toy.

This post has been edited by rambus: 12 April 2010 - 11:44 PM

[Kalima]

rambus, on 12 April 2010 - 10:56 PM, said:

I do not know if it is because im not 75 yet or play it right but i really do not see potonal for the DD aspect for DNC. I have to suck up doing campain battles so I do not know if comparing the job how it does here is approate. First off I hate anything that blocks my tp use somehow ( like mire I actually had an invite there) or in campain battle where you face those yagudo that can strip your weapon to loose tp. I had to use 2 hr so i would not die when i used Reverse flourish > no tp from that move. then you have those bugs that spam that 0 tp thing. as far as killing speed I did not even get this mob to 50% yet before it warped out ( 15 mins went by on my 2 hr, it was the same mob that took my tp away) I swear my sch with its 230 staff skill kills faster then my dnc -.-. I also get more exp as my sch then my dnc, only lately as 70, 71 my dnc was able to hit 2k+ easily with poping a 5k run, my sch was doing this in the early 60's. it does nice damage if i can do building florish > wild flourish > DE for killing aggro i found in the Garlaige citadel [s]. I still never seen it used any event unless its one of those situations " we got all key jobs we dont care what you come as situations". I do not like the concept of putting NA spell on the same recast as your cures. I never seen a DNC able to solo cure anything like main healers can, best i seen was dnc being with a different support cure like smn or something. even in exp pts i can even figure out a good setup that would involve dnc, can dnc solo cure merits? I also do not get 1 finishing move when there is a level 5 debuff on the mob, just a bit annoying when in campain then i have to move to stutter step

lest SE can do is let dnc main be able to cure with that forgot ja and such, does not seem to have a lot of potential atm.

maybe the cure out of pt can be like have outside dnc on ixion and cure people off killing weak mobs, otherwise it sounds like a campaign battle toy.

Hmm...How to approach this...

Well from the top, I have to say that the DD aspect of DNC comes into play in 2 areas. First is merit parties.
Because you're not 75 yet of course you haven't gotten to the point of being wanted for merit parties. DNC is highly desired for capped haste samba and nothing else. Most people will want RDM DNC BRD DD X3 (or sometimes trading a cor for a DD) for a burn party. Occaisionally you will have to backup the RDM for curing (if they suck that is) but the rest of the time you will be filling the role of light DD. Sure you wont be pumping out numbers like the main DDs, but having a support job throw out one or two DEs for 1k per bird really helps kill speed and those high chains coming.

Second area it comes into play is soloing. Not just campaign but pretty much anything. This is really why the reason I personally play DNC since I can walk up to almost anything and survive. Yeah sure, it kills slowly (think RDM soloing) but your versatility in surviving is just phenomenal. But having a strong DD set here is just as important as having a good evasion/curing set since we do kill slowly.

And to answer your question about solo curing it is absolutely possible. I have done it several times both in merit parties and events like dynamis, limbus, salvage, and nyzul.

I do agree with you that maxing out your steps quickly can be annoying...this is one aspect of the job that I really wish SE would consider reworking...possibly make steps stack higher or give us a bigger FM cap.

So I guess overall I would say that you would have to hit 75 on DNC and get some merits capped before you're really able to see its potential. It's definitely not one of those jobs that gets easily handed its role (like SAM, RDM, BRD) but if you have good gear/merits/skill you definitely can create a place for yourself in almost any situation.

[rambus]

Kalima, on 13 April 2010 - 07:17 AM, said:

Hmm...How to approach this...

Well from the top, I have to say that the DD aspect of DNC comes into play in 2 areas. First is merit parties.
Because you're not 75 yet of course you haven't gotten to the point of being wanted for merit parties. DNC is highly desired for capped haste samba and nothing else. Most people will want RDM DNC BRD DD X3 (or sometimes trading a cor for a DD) for a burn party. Occaisionally you will have to backup the RDM for curing (if they suck that is) but the rest of the time you will be filling the role of light DD. Sure you wont be pumping out numbers like the main DDs, but having a support job throw out one or two DEs for 1k per bird really helps kill speed and those high chains coming.

Second area it comes into play is soloing. Not just campaign but pretty much anything. This is really why the reason I personally play DNC since I can walk up to almost anything and survive. Yeah sure, it kills slowly (think RDM soloing) but your versatility in surviving is just phenomenal. But having a strong DD set here is just as important as having a good evasion/curing set since we do kill slowly.

And to answer your question about solo curing it is absolutely possible. I have done it several times both in merit parties and events like dynamis, limbus, salvage, and nyzul.

I do agree with you that maxing out your steps quickly can be annoying...this is one aspect of the job that I really wish SE would consider reworking...possibly make steps stack higher or give us a bigger FM cap.

So I guess overall I would say that you would have to hit 75 on DNC and get some merits capped before you're really able to see its potential. It's definitely not one of those jobs that gets easily handed its role (like SAM, RDM, BRD) but if you have good gear/merits/skill you definitely can create a place for yourself in almost any situation.

I did not say lack of invites for merit parties I said lack of invites for exp parties, i did 67-72 in campain while getting 2 invites, one was for mire expecting me to "main heal" i did not realize that till i got there, figure id try anything considering low invite and i wanted use exp ring. 67-72 is for when i came back, before I do not remember having this long wait for exp pt. I am thinking people outlook got mroe babied where they want brd, cor, rdm , 3 dd in any type of exp setup ( seeing some shouts it seems like that is the case). I soloed on rdm before I know how it slow it can be, that's why i perffer to do it on sch or blm. regardless i am getting ti to 75 just to do it, don't think ill end up playing the job after that.

shocked people would replace cor with a dnc for merits, im used to 2 brd 3 dd or brd , cor , 3 dd, with rdm or whm. I can play any of those jobs so im not worried about getting into merit parties I just want to get dnc to 75. I was just wondering on some setups at some level sync where dnc can do well, maybe my exceptions are too high form playing my other jobs I have no idea but im not exactly sure what role to give it to make the best out of my parties. I like making high end parties like when i was doing cor i would try find a brd and DDs.

I personally do not see how you do it, if something bad happens its nice to cast cure V > cure IV > or Cure IV > cure III then na and so forth (point is i do not get the whole keep all cure and Na on one recast) and weak AoE cure. ( what happends if you get hit by some heavy ga when your solo cure in dyna or w/e?)

This is going off topic but im wondering how you handle curing with PLD. When I was with dnc on PLD i do not know how meny time I had to say do not cure me when just hitting yellow or even curing me still in white. I had meny times I would cure my self for 0 hp because of the instant cure effect. Start casting cure > 50% cast bar > get dnc cure > cure 0 hp I really hated it. Also on PLD i like buffs that can lower recast on flash

I am just trying to give different view points on dnc based on what i went though with my other jobs to see if we can make some productive suggestions to try change it more.

This post has been edited by rambus: 13 April 2010 - 11:35 AM

[Kalima]

rambus, on 13 April 2010 - 11:04 AM, said:

I did not say lack of invites for merit parties I said lack of invites for exp parties, i did 67-72 in campain while getting 2 invites, one was for mire expecting me to "main heal" i did not realize that till i got there, figure id try anything considering low invite and i wanted use exp ring. 67-72 is for when i came back, before I do not remember having this long wait for exp pt. I am thinking people outlook got mroe babied where they want brd, cor, rdm , 3 dd in any type of exp setup ( seeing some shouts it seems like that is the case). I soloed on rdm before I know how it slow it can be, that's why i perffer to do it on sch or blm. regardless i am getting ti to 75 just to do it, don't think ill end up playing the job after that.

shocked people would replace cor with a dnc for merits, im used to 2 brd 3 dd or brd , cor , 3 dd, with rdm or whm. I can play any of those jobs so im not worried about getting into merit parties I just want to get dnc to 75. I was just wondering on some setups at some level sync where dnc can do well, maybe my exceptions are too high form playing my other jobs I have no idea but im not exactly sure what role to give it to make the best out of my parties. I like making high end parties like when i was doing cor i would try find a brd and DDs.

I personally do not see how you do it, if something bad happens its nice to cast cure V > cure IV > or Cure IV > cure III then na and so forth (point is i do not get the whole keep all cure and Na on one recast) and weak AoE cure. ( what happends if you get hit by some heavy ga when your solo cure in dyna or w/e?)

This is going off topic but im wondering how you handle curing with PLD. When I was with dnc on PLD i do not know how meny time I had to say do not cure me when just hitting yellow or even curing me still in white. I had meny times I would cure my self for 0 hp because of the instant cure effect. Start casting cure > 50% cast bar > get dnc cure > cure 0 hp I really hated it. Also on PLD i like buffs that can lower recast on flash

I am just trying to give different view points on dnc based on what i went though with my other jobs to see if we can make some productive suggestions to try change it more.

Yeah, I was just giving you my perspective as well from my personal experiences with the job. I leveled my dnc farily early after its release so getting parties "back then" wasn't really an issue for me. Last job I leveled to 75 was THF and even then I saw quite a few DNCs getting invited to the parties that I was in. Guess I really haven't thought about party invites as a whole for up and coming DNCs,

As far as replacing COR with DNC I think its more of whats available. Most of the merit parties that I saw on DNC didn't have a COR and the ones that did were either BRD DNC COR RDM DD X2 (which surprisingly worked very well) or DNC COR BRD 3X DD with me as the main healer.

On the healing subject, if I have to spam to save someone I usually spam CW3 to keep timers down and switch from haste to drain samba. I agree that a RDM or WHM in my spot would be more optimal for emergency situations but those usually didn't come up that often in the events that I did. And when they did it was more of a situation where nothing could be done and we were forced to wipe.

As for curing PLDs yeah I agree it can get a bit annoying when you are both trying to cure the same target and one of you beats the other resulting in wasted MP or TP. I usually give the PLD priority on who he wants to cure since he is the one that needs to keep hate. There have been way too many times that I can remember while leveling where I would rip hate from the PLD just from curing...but most of those times it was just me trying to show off and keeping people out of the yellow =P

[rambus]

Kalima, on 13 April 2010 - 12:51 PM, said:

Yeah, I was just giving you my perspective as well from my personal experiences with the job. I leveled my dnc farily early after its release so getting parties "back then" wasn't really an issue for me. Last job I leveled to 75 was THF and even then I saw quite a few DNCs getting invited to the parties that I was in. Guess I really haven't thought about party invites as a whole for up and coming DNCs,

As far as replacing COR with DNC I think its more of whats available. Most of the merit parties that I saw on DNC didn't have a COR and the ones that did were either BRD DNC COR RDM DD X2 (which surprisingly worked very well) or DNC COR BRD 3X DD with me as the main healer.

On the healing subject, if I have to spam to save someone I usually spam CW3 to keep timers down and switch from haste to drain samba. I agree that a RDM or WHM in my spot would be more optimal for emergency situations but those usually didn't come up that often in the events that I did. And when they did it was more of a situation where nothing could be done and we were forced to wipe.

As for curing PLDs yeah I agree it can get a bit annoying when you are both trying to cure the same target and one of you beats the other resulting in wasted MP or TP. I usually give the PLD priority on who he wants to cure since he is the one that needs to keep hate. There have been way too many times that I can remember while leveling where I would rip hate from the PLD just from curing...but most of those times it was just me trying to show off and keeping people out of the yellow =P

wait wait is that why i saw different recasts? each cure puts waltzes on different recasts? i thought i was going lunny