[Escaflone]

Discuss.

[rambus]

OP lol

[Yoona]

Its obviously not gonna be full strength as /RDM. Its likely to be a 2:1 ratio or something. So like 100% HP > 50% MP

[Varizen]

Rambus doesn't know it seems.

[rambus]

Varizen, on 02 March 2010 - 11:34 PM, said:

Rambus doesn't know it seems.

I take it back I might still want to do /sch mainly.

you can (guessing?) AOE stoneskin and still have the mp off cures. When i stopped playing i did not have mp issues as is, wonder what it would be like later on.

more mage jobs would get to AOE haste, stoneskin, refersh, blink? lol? so it is really hard to tell what would be best depending what gets nurfed and such

SCH may be more domant then now, RDM would be able to do what a SCH does. both makes phalanx II completely outdated and useless.

This post has been edited by rambus: 02 March 2010 - 11:42 PM

[Kandi_]

most likely they will get the full convert, but with RDM merits lowering the recast even lower, and most likely Refresh2 and some buffs, they will still be better on the MP regeneration than WHM.

As a RDM i would rather WHM get the full convert, to have things like Refresh2, Refreshra, and of course further merits into convert recast (which SE said they are considering upping the max increase of current merits)

[Kenshiro]

Hastega wru

[Escaflone]

If we the RDMs and WHMs get Haste II for some reason(already making fast people attack faster is fun but lol..) /SCH I would assume be best.

/SCH AoE Stoneskin and Regen III(let alone possibly extra tiers of Regen WHM will undoubtly get) would make WHM/SCH super powerful as fuck. lol Stoneskin not os much less they up the cap of Stoneskin. - I dont really see this happening though because somehow level 75 people would take advantage of it at that level.

If anything kills the mood for all this stuff, is the regrind to 99, requesting all yer gear to be able to augment it, and the possibility of all the people's hard earned work for 75 gear gone to naught due to the fact 99 gear will undoubtly replace it.

Guess all those years getting AF2 and Homam be for nothing you DRKs and RDMs and other peeps.

Luckily all I got was WHM AF2 body and uhhh...Nash Body/legs. Everything else not really used much anymore for the things I do.

I'd simply finish WHM to '75' > to 99 just because it will be able to AoE everything now. Makes it the top notch Healer, not to mention imagine a Cure VI or VII, and AOEing it n WHM? lol. There will be a higher version of Cure V I can bet, that has a little amount of hate, and constantly spamming it AoE would be broken.

[Kleiner]

If WH isallowed to have the AoE Strategem from /SCH, there's just no argument: /SCH will be better. I never have MP issues to begin with, I don't really see myself needed convert, especially with Sublimation, or with possible new Refresh II for RDM lol

[Banggugyangu]

Escaflone, on 03 March 2010 - 03:16 AM, said:

I'd simply finish WHM to '75' > to 99 just because it will be able to AoE everything now. Makes it the top notch Healer

Why do people ignore the cooldown on stratagems when they make comments like this?

Allow me to learn you a bit about your subjob. Even SCH75 has to make decisions on what to AOE and what to not. This is with 4 charges and 60 seconds per charge. You will have 2 charges *just like you do now* and have a 2 minute cooldown per charge. You will not "be able to AOE everything". You'll be able to AOE haste and stoneskin.

[pathwriter]

First of all, someone should beat you with a fish for saying "allow me to learn you." And by "fish," I mean, "live great white shark."

Secondly, what else would a White Mage want to AoE beyond Haste and Stoneskin, exactly? Auspice is already AoE (not that it gives Enlight to party members, anyhow), there are no Enspells to cast, we have AoE resistance spells and the entire Curaga line, not to mention Protectra and Shellra, and Reraise cannot be made AoE by anyone but Bard. Oh no, we might not be able to AoE Aquaveil or lolBlink, how terrible. Maybe you should think before trying to be snarky.

[TresDuendes]

aquaveil wouldn't be too bad tbh, but not something i'd pick over a real buff while i'm tanking

[Banggugyangu]

pathwriter, on 03 March 2010 - 09:10 PM, said:

First of all, someone should beat you with a fish for saying "allow me to learn you." And by "fish," I mean, "live great white shark."

Secondly, what else would a White Mage want to AoE beyond Haste and Stoneskin, exactly? Auspice is already AoE (not that it gives Enlight to party members, anyhow), there are no Enspells to cast, we have AoE resistance spells and the entire Curaga line, not to mention Protectra and Shellra, and Reraise cannot be made AoE by anyone but Bard. Oh no, we might not be able to AoE Aquaveil or lolBlink, how terrible. Maybe you should think before trying to be snarky.

First of all, "allow me to learn you." was stated with the type of irony that will piss off one such as yourself. Congratulations for stepping barefoot into that trap.

Secondly, I suppose my frustration displayed in the past post was a little misdirected. Primarily I'm seeing RDMs talk about all the things they're going to AoE without considering the cooldown. That said, I would ask: How many posted in this thread actually considered the 2 minute cooldown before my post? Also... Regen 3 w/ relic body is an extremely efficient means of HP restoration. AoE'ing that would definitely be beneficial depending on the situation. Perhaps you should follow your own advice?

[pathwriter]

Tell yourself whatever tales you want about your inability to type proper English. This is hardly the first time, it shan't be the last.

Spreading Regen III to the entire party would be terribly efficient... if you were ever in a situation that merited it. Right after Discoid or Homing Missile? Sure, go for it. At Fafnir if he's being snitty with Hurricane Wing? Absolutely. Beyond that, situations that call for Regen on all six players in the party are few and far between. I highly doubt that FFXI is going to change its damage model to require heavy use of Curaga and Regen-ga, either.

Also, speaking as someone who plays a game with significantly more heal-over-time spells, if you're in an alliance situation, chances are that you're ultimately going to be wasting mana to Accession Regen III because the other healers present will simply top people up. How many times have you put Regen III on a player only to watch the Red Mage toss Cure IV at him? It's tolerable for the tank (except that so much of tanking is avoidance rather than mitigation), but anyone else and 90% of your spell is going down the tubes. Heaven knows, I've watched it happen too often when I try to use Paeon during downtime or while running between rooms in Salvage.

[Chocoburger]

Kleiner, on 03 March 2010 - 11:20 AM, said:

If WH isallowed to have the AoE Strategem from /SCH, there's just no argument: /SCH will be better. I never have MP issues to begin with, I don't really see myself needed convert, especially with Sublimation, or with possible new Refresh II for RDM lol

One thing to consider is that we WILL need to be level 99 and WILL need sub jobs that "seem" broken (right now) when we enter Walk of Echoes and fight the hardest enemies in the game that we can't even comprehend right now. S-E will keep in mind that WHM can convert and do "broken" aspects on SCH sub job, so they will tailor these incredibly difficult battles with that stuff in mind.

This post has been edited by Chocoburger: 08 March 2010 - 07:37 PM

[Hyriu]

So we'll fight AV in Walk of Echoes?

QQ

[dakpluto]

I'm gonna go with the 2:1 ration on /RDM convert.

Which means all you "lolgalkaWHM" people can kiss my ass soon

[TresDuendes]

/sch will still be better than /rdm :/

[Shirai]

TresDuendes, on 14 March 2010 - 06:52 AM, said:

/sch will still be better than /rdm :/

I agree with this.
There are too many benefits gained from /sch over /rdm, even if they won't let us have Accession.
I don't deny /rdm becoming a working sub for a lot of situations, but it won't become the superior sub /sch has become for most situations.

I do see /blm make a return for a few of situations at level 90+ though, as whm is one of the few jobs that has a very easy time when it comes to capping haste.

This post has been edited by Shirai: 15 March 2010 - 04:11 PM

[TresDuendes]

How would /BLM come into play aside from maybe the occasional ES spell?