[Metticus]

My friend and I were arguing about the division of zero. I told him it's impossible, then he showed me this


I was like, that doesn't make sense.... But it kind of does... I dont know.

[Aleera]

[Velhart]

Metticus, on 03 March 2010 - 11:33 AM, said:

My friend and I were arguing about the division of zero. I told him it's impossible, then he showed me this


I was like, that doesn't make sense.... But it kind of does... I dont know.

I am no mathematician, but anything multiplied and divided by 0, is 0.

So X(0) is 0 no matter what.

Also, he just took the 0's out and made the equation illogical. This is a cross multiply equation, So X(0) which actually is 0, crossed over 0, is 0. Same for the other side, which ultimately ends up being 0=0.

This post has been edited by Velhart: 03 March 2010 - 11:53 AM

[Varizen]

The actual answer for anything divided by 0 is positive and negative infinity at the same time. That's why it's undefined in low level math courses. Since it's being divided among 0 entities, and since 0 is neither + or -. it is infinitely divided in either direction. Which also disproves the existence of god by proving he must exist.

[Doodlebug]

It would make sense if 0 were any other number than 0 lol.

Ugh, I get out of my College Trig class just to see more numbers... GO AWAY! ; ;

[Metticus]

Velhart, on 03 March 2010 - 11:49 AM, said:

I am no mathematician, but anything multiplied and divided by 0, is 0.

So X(0) is 0 no matter what.

Also, he just took the 0's out and made the equation illogical. This is a cross multiply equation, So X(0) which actually is 0, crossed over 0, is 0. Same for the other side, which ultimately ends up being 0=0.

That's the thing though. You can't divide by zero. You can do zero divided by something 0/x = 0 but not x/0 =
But what he is tellng me is that when a number is multiplied by another number, they combine, but they are still there, if that makes sense. Example 2(4) = 8, it can also be written 8 = 8, or 2(4)=2(4). So even though a number is multiplied by 0, the whole integer is still there technically. Example 2(0) = 0, or written as 0 = 0, or 2(0) = 2(0). So just like 2(4)=2(4) if you want to cancel out of them, like 4 for example, you divide by 4 and the equation become 2(1) = 2(1). So the same applies if it's
2(0) = 2(0) you divide can cancel, "divorce" is what he called it, the 0 out of the equation by dividing it, making it 2(1) = 2(1). Because supposedly just like any other number in the universe, if you divide it by itself it becomes 1, X/X = 1. So the same should apply for 0/0.

It's crazy, but then it made me think....
E=mc^2 right... That's the law of the universe. Mass and energy is interchangeable. But then... before the big bang the universe was pure energy, there was no mass yet. So then that would me E= 0C^2. How did 0 become something


My mom use to tell me "Mijo, how can you give 3 frijoles to 0 people"

This post has been edited by Metticus: 03 March 2010 - 12:55 PM

[Aleera]

[Varizen]

Varizen, on 03 March 2010 - 12:30 PM, said:

The actual answer for anything divided by 0 is positive and negative infinity at the same time. That's why it's undefined in low level math courses. Since it's being divided among 0 entities, and since 0 is neither + or -. it is infinitely divided in either direction. Which also disproves the existence of god by proving he must exist.

Anything divided by 0 is ±∞

You can in fact divide by it. It just has that answer every time.

Also, anything divided by itself is 1. ±∞/±∞ =1

[Kobayashimaru]

Aleera, on 03 March 2010 - 12:55 PM, said:

Is it really that hard to spell the word DIVIDE? I really hate the internet sometimes.

[Aleera]

Apparently dividing by zero causes irreversible brain damage. Or blame 4chan.

[1]

but the dudes function is not dividing by zero... its solving for X... completely different... and e=mc² has been proven false.

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[Varizen]

... ;_; I'm being ignored...

0/0 = 1 because anything divided by itself = 1. Anything else is ±∞... someone freaking listen to me... My Brother-in-law is 2 months shy of a PH.D in math, and he explained this to me years ago...

[1]

that is absolutely true but the 0/0 =1 is a universal law.... 1/1 = 1, 2/2 =1 and on to infinity.. weird though how nobody obeys that law except the physicists and mathematicians

[MrReinhardt]

Chuck Norris divided by zero........twice

[Metticus]

MrReinhardt, on 04 March 2010 - 10:31 PM, said:

Chuck Norris divided by zero........twice

whoa whoa 0 squared!? Slow down there cowboy

Which reminds me. I saw Alice in Wonderland last night. And it really is freaky under the influence. I kept thinking. "This is what happens when you divide by 0"

This post has been edited by Metticus: 05 March 2010 - 12:46 PM

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MrReinhardt, on 04 March 2010 - 10:31 PM, said:

Chuck Norris divided by zero........twice

He also killed 2 stones with 1 bird.

[Teirm]

I always thought you could only do Lim x>> 0+ of 1/x to get + ∞ and Lim x >> 0- to get -∞ is that what you are getting at varizen?

I also thought if a limit yield with direct sub 0/0 was indeterminate, and required l'hopitals to evaluate.

This post has been edited by Teirm: 05 March 2010 - 07:44 PM

[firefeng]

Varizen, on 03 March 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

Anything divided by 0 is ±∞

Incorrect.

Where X is any positive real number:

∞ = X / (1 × 10^-∞)

-∞ = -X / (1 × 10^-∞)

You cannot divide by zero because it is impossible for any real number to have a value larger than infinity. Unless your brother is referring to some wonky mathematical gymnastics performed through Goedellian systems or some shit, I think you may have misunderstood him.

Also, 0/0 ≠ 1.

This post has been edited by firefeng: 06 March 2010 - 06:41 AM

[Varizen]

The latter.

Also keep in mind that on account of the fact they span both infinitely in both directions, it's still ∞. Just like ∞+∞ = ∞. -∞ through ∞ is a net range of ∞ numbers. Therefore it's not a number larger than infinity.

[rambus]

firefeng, on 06 March 2010 - 06:22 AM, said:

Incorrect.

Where X is any positive real number:

∞ = X / (1 × 10^-∞)

-∞ = -X / (1 × 10^-∞)

You cannot divide by zero because it is impossible for any real number to have a value larger than infinity. Unless your brother is referring to some wonky mathematical gymnastics performed through Goedellian systems or some shit, I think you may have misunderstood him.

Also, 0/0 ≠ 1.

http://mathforum.org....divideby0.html

figured I find some "poof" on the interent.

you can not pass the part of [ x(0)]/0 = [1(0)]/0
once you are here he tries to strike out the zeros, you can not do that because 0/0 =/= 1

we say 12/6 = 2 because 2(6) = 12
12/0 is ??? because ??? times 0 can not give 12.
what about 1? to do his cancel?

12/12 = 1
1 times 12 = 12

0/0 =1
0 time 1 =0

as far as the OP "proof" you can not "cancel" the zeros because you can not divide by zero. the only reason you cancel out stuff when you do things like that because x/x = 1 unless it is zero
when you assume 0/0 =1 when you do the cancel, of couse you will get 0/0=1 for your answer.

his flaw was assuming you can cancel the zeros, you can't do it.
there is actually different meanings for 0/0 and 1/0 because of the nature of those numbers. something about indeterminate forums, I have not been in a debate like this so I am not sure about those. you can not difine it as 1 though so therefor you can not cancel them. when you do cancel them you are assuming 0/0 =1 and that is why he ends up with 0/0=1

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My mom use to tell me "Mijo, how can you give 3 frijoles to 0 people"

ya the math guy thingy in my link said that too.

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Technically speaking, division by 0 is not impossible; rather, it is contradictory to assumption. As such, we disallow it as a valid operation on numbers. "Physically impossible" is a more fitting description of a phenomenon, such as the creation of a perpetual motion machine, or the decrease in entropy of a closed system. Division by 0 is not so much a phenomenon as it is a supposed construction, which is provably contradictory to a given set of rules and therefore not permitted within the system upon which the rules are imposed.

going back to:

12/6=2
2 times 6 is 12

12/ 0 = 0
0 times 0 =/= 12

I am not sure how to ague with Varizen expect on limits and such.

http://mathforum.org...view/56069.html

I do admit it is getting past my knowledge.

This post has been edited by rambus: 06 March 2010 - 06:36 PM