[ArwynOfOdin]

Raistlinratt, on 09 March 2010 - 10:05 AM, said:

I agree. Corrderio said:


And what he meant was: /whm is never worth using because /rdm or /blu boosts his epeen. I mean QD damage. He just refuses to see that yes, we do know that his /rdm or /blu boosts his damage, but we did not need that a majority of the time. It helps the run more to sacrifice 20% of your QD damage to help with -nas and curagas.



But yeah, that's why i took offense. Especially coming from someone like Corrderio, who can't pay attention for an extended period of time to save his life. (which is what it takes to parse well, and in the end, that's what we are talking about, parsed damage)

The argument is really moot because both subs really are inferior to COR/RNG, COR/WAR, and even COR/NIN. My only point was I don't think the perks from /whm are so necessary that it downright outweights 1500 damage boost from another mage sub. Yes, 1500 damage over 15-20 minutes is relatively insignificant, but at least in my experience, so are the 1-2 NA's the COR might cast 1-2 seconds sooner than the mage actually there to perform such duties. Anything beyond, LS has bigger problems.

[Jurojin]

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Saying QD > 5-second faster Paralyna is a major joke in itself , granted the difference is marginal for the outcome it does absolutely not change the fact that QD is by no means more efficient for your alliance than fully buffed DDs or BLMs are.

Which is more fun to play is a whole different story, overall superiority is more than obvious though.

This post has been edited by Jurojin: 09 March 2010 - 10:25 AM

[Kaparu]

Jurojin, on 09 March 2010 - 07:33 AM, said:

Kaparu is intelligent.

He can kill everything in bar a minute with minimum required people and no use of two-hours.


Seriously you fucking gnome, you keep mixing up efficiency with god damn possibilities every freaking time I see you in a thread.

I actually overstated the number of people required to accommodate for the fact that not everyone can handle the lowest numbers possible. If you want to get into "possibilities", take 2-3 members off of everything I said.

And to the guy who thinks a 6-man Suzaku takes all day, get better members. RDM can solo it in under two hours, completely through DoT and resisted Water III's. DRK, DRK, BRD, COR, WHM, RDM and it'll be dead within 15 minutes.

[Robert Redford]

Phlow, on 09 March 2010 - 08:33 AM, said:

CORs in ls are usually in mage parties because BRD is incredibly more efficient at buffing melee, so Erase is not used often.

There's the biggest thing for me. If the event includes a dedicated BLM party, that's where the COR should be 100% of the time. How often do BLMs require -na spells/erase? Rarely. Maybe occasionally, but enough to outweigh the utility of alternative subjobs? I doubt it. If the event doesn't include a BLM party, you should be using a bard instead anyway.

[Jurojin]

Suzaku takes a decent two hours only to run out of MP, for straters.

You're still trying to show off how amazing you are at this game (with awafully easy fights/events) while completely disregarding the point being regarded here. Great job you dumb fuck.

All day is an "overstatement" how you'd call it too, I would assume and actually decent players have long stopped to go in with few people to speed things up and not waste their time.

Of course the extreme opposite with 60 is the nearly the same shit you are trying to pull off in order to stroke your non-existant epeen. I have never seen you do or talk about anything that hasn't been beaten to death yet. (Disregarding the fact you try to use DRKs every time, outside of their two-hours which is just as laughable when talking about efficiency and low manned speed kills)

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There's the biggest thing for me. If the event includes a dedicated BLM party, that's where the COR should be 100% of the time. How often do BLMs require -na spells/erase? Rarely. Maybe occasionally, but enough to outweigh the utility of alternative subjobs? I doubt it. If the event doesn't include a BLM party, you should be using a bard instead anyway.

COR drastically increases WS frequency, at the very least assuming you use SAMs, which you should.

[mmoptimist]

ArwynOfOdin, on 09 March 2010 - 02:45 AM, said:

And mmoptimist, CORs can't parse anywhere near a DRK? Please speak for yourself. I'd imagine your COR is pretty capped out in terms of gear/skill to make such a statement. Why don't you post your TP/WS set along with any merits you have so you can back up such a statement.

ehh there's better out there but what i have does decent dmg.

<!--Gear for melee while subbing ninja.-->
<set name="meleetp">
<main>Mercurial Kris</main>
<head>Walahra Turban</head>
<neck>Peacock charm</neck>
<lear>Minuet Earring</lear>
<rear>Brutal Earring</rear>
<body>Skadi's Cuirie</body>
<hands>Dusk Gloves</hands>
<lring>Sniper's Ring</lring>
<rring>Rajas ring</rring>
<back>Amemet mantle +1</back>
<waist>Swift Belt</waist>
<legs>Skadi's chausses</legs>
<feet>Dusk Ledelsens</feet>
</set>
<set name="wsninsub">
<main>Mercurial Kris</main>
<head>Corsair's Tricorne</head>
<range>Coffinmaker</range>
<ammo>Steel Bullet</ammo>
<neck>Peacock charm</neck>
<lear>Vision earring</lear>
<rear>Drone earring</rear>
<body>Skadi's Cuirie</body>
<hands>Blood Fng. Gnt.</hands>
<lring>behemoth ring +1</lring>
<rring>behemoth ring +1</rring>
<back>Amemet mantle +1</back>
<waist>Commodore Belt</waist>
<legs>Dusk trousers +1</legs>
<feet>Corsair's bottes +1</feet>.
</set>

i QD sometimes too(have HQ staves, some obi's.)
<set name="QD">
<main>Terra's Staff</main>
_{Wise strap}
<head>Corsair's tricorne</head>
<range>Corsair's gun +1</range>
<ammo>Steel Bullet</ammo>
<neck>Uggalepih pendant</neck>
<lear>Novio Earring</lear>
<rear>Moldavite earring</rear>
<body>Mirke wardecors</body> (mag.atk.bonus +4 QD delay -5)
<hands>Rover's Gloves</hands>
<lring>Balrahn's Ring</lring>
<rring>Omega ring</rring>
<back>Commander's Cape</back>
<waist>Scouter's Rope</waist>
<legs>Denali kecks</legs>
<feet>Denali gamashes</feet>
</set>

merits are decent.
5/5QD recast and acc
5/5SE
4/5FOLD
1/5LD
marksmanship 8
dagger 8
crit hit 4/4
enmity decrease 4/4


if you're final defense is that i must have no skill if i can't out damage a drk, save it. I kick ass on this job and i play it efficiently. i've outparsed dd's that suck dick, but a badass drk that knows how to play his job is gonna outdue a cor. i'm sure not you of course, but every other one at least.

This post has been edited by mmoptimist: 10 March 2010 - 12:51 AM

[rambus]

Kaparu, on 09 March 2010 - 01:24 PM, said:

I actually overstated the number of people required to accommodate for the fact that not everyone can handle the lowest numbers possible. If you want to get into "possibilities", take 2-3 members off of everything I said.

And to the guy who thinks a 6-man Suzaku takes all day, get better members. RDM can solo it in under two hours, completely through DoT and resisted Water III's. DRK, DRK, BRD, COR, WHM, RDM and it'll be dead within 15 minutes.

how does that apply to DL then? you said just over a single party, i want to seee 6 people do it that is level 75 ( just in case some 99 bumps this and goes HUR I solo DL!!)

This post has been edited by rambus: 10 March 2010 - 02:04 AM

[Jurojin]

Quite simple, it doesn't.

Because Kaparu is an attention whoring cum bag pretending to know it all while being no more than a copy-cat boasting his "epeen" on other people's accomplishments which have long ceased to be amazing or even decent at best.

[Katchoo]

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i've outparsed dd's that suck dick

A well geared, well merited COR can outparse a crap DD, this is not an achievement ...... not sure if you thought it was or not tho.

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RDM can solo it in under two hours, completely through DoT and resisted Water III's

wow that sounds SO DULL. Why is this good? Thats two hours lost doing somthing thats actually fun.

[ArwynOfOdin]

mmoptimist, on 10 March 2010 - 12:25 AM, said:

ehh there's better out there but what i have does decent dmg.

<!--Gear for melee while subbing ninja.-->
<set name="meleetp">
<main>Mercurial Kris</main>
<head>Walahra Turban</head>
<neck>Peacock charm</neck>
<lear>Minuet Earring</lear>
<rear>Brutal Earring</rear>
<body>Skadi's Cuirie</body>
<hands>Dusk Gloves</hands>
<lring>Sniper's Ring</lring>
<rring>Rajas ring</rring>
<back>Amemet mantle +1</back>
<waist>Swift Belt</waist>
<legs>Skadi's chausses</legs>
<feet>Dusk Ledelsens</feet>
</set>
<set name="wsninsub">
<main>Mercurial Kris</main>
<head>Corsair's Tricorne</head>
<range>Coffinmaker</range>
<ammo>Steel Bullet</ammo>
<neck>Peacock charm</neck>
<lear>Vision earring</lear>
<rear>Drone earring</rear>
<body>Skadi's Cuirie</body>
<hands>Blood Fng. Gnt.</hands>
<lring>behemoth ring +1</lring>
<rring>behemoth ring +1</rring>
<back>Amemet mantle +1</back>
<waist>Commodore Belt</waist>
<legs>Dusk trousers +1</legs>
<feet>Corsair's bottes +1</feet>.
</set>

i QD sometimes too(have HQ staves, some obi's.)
<set name="QD">
<main>Terra's Staff</main>
_{Wise strap}
<head>Corsair's tricorne</head>
<range>Corsair's gun +1</range>
<ammo>Steel Bullet</ammo>
<neck>Uggalepih pendant</neck>
<lear>Novio Earring</lear>
<rear>Moldavite earring</rear>
<body>Mirke wardecors</body> (mag.atk.bonus +4 QD delay -5)
<hands>Rover's Gloves</hands>
<lring>Balrahn's Ring</lring>
<rring>Omega ring</rring>
<back>Commander's Cape</back>
<waist>Scouter's Rope</waist>
<legs>Denali kecks</legs>
<feet>Denali gamashes</feet>
</set>

merits are decent.
5/5QD recast and acc
5/5SE
4/5FOLD
1/5LD
marksmanship 8
dagger 8
crit hit 4/4
enmity decrease 4/4


if you're final defense is that i must have no skill if i can't out damage a drk, save it. I kick ass on this job and i play it efficiently. i've outparsed dd's that suck dick, but a badass drk that knows how to play his job is gonna outdue a cor. i'm sure not you of course, but every other one at least.

Nice gear. And i'd go as far as to say it's pretty much as good as we can do minus a few expensive upgrades. My gear is pretty much the same, except I use martial gun, enkidus harness, augmented legs with haste/acc, vbelt, and joytoy. I'd prolly use skadi if I had it though. My ws build also favors str over accuracy because I tend to fulltime hunters. Anyway, I notice you have dagger merits so that explains the mkris. A huge portion of my overall damage comes from my joytoy, and while mkris does beat out joytoy in terms of tping, Ive been under the impression that the general concensus ( and from eyeballing it ) that's it only very slightly, and outside a Zerg, joytoy wins by fairly significant portion because of the dot. Just something to consider since I think your cor is capable of more than you realize. What subs do you favor?

But yeah, I guess despite my own personal experience, I really can't say we're capable of running with the bigboys even if I do outparse them most of the time. There's usually one very pimped out one that beats me. Then again, I still have a few expensive upgrades to make and am still trying to find a Mage in the shell that can remember to consistently haste me, so how much I can close the gap remains to be seen. Even if I do fall short in the end, it's only slightly and my efforts to run with bigboys have proven a well nurtured cor is nothing to scoff it, and in my opinion, nothing to waste for a few erases/nas.

This post has been edited by ArwynOfOdin: 10 March 2010 - 01:29 PM

[Raistlinratt]

I would love to parse my warrior against a corsair put into a DD position. If we have enough members and have the support, I would be more than happy to let a corsair be strictly DD. I'm sure zub would too. It would be interesting to see where they parse against very well geared/skilled warriors, mnks, sams (einherjar, these are jobs that usually win in my experience, depending on the mobs and tier).


Of course zub would cheat and put the corsair into his party...so i'll just ignore his parsed damage, or take 10% off (or however much it takes for me to beat him )

[Daggermaster]

COR gets dominated by most real DDs at camps, but that doesnt mean it cant do excellent dmg itself. 2x march haste Chaos makes cor a fucking beast, but then again, other DDs blow it out of the water.

[Kaparu]

Jurojin, on 09 March 2010 - 11:26 PM, said:

Suzaku takes a decent two hours only to run out of MP, for straters.

You're still trying to show off how amazing you are at this game (with awafully easy fights/events) while completely disregarding the point being regarded here. Great job you dumb fuck.

All day is an "overstatement" how you'd call it too, I would assume and actually decent players have long stopped to go in with few people to speed things up and not waste their time.

Of course the extreme opposite with 60 is the nearly the same shit you are trying to pull off in order to stroke your non-existant epeen. I have never seen you do or talk about anything that hasn't been beaten to death yet. (Disregarding the fact you try to use DRKs every time, outside of their two-hours which is just as laughable when talking about efficiency and low manned speed kills)

Not that soloing Suzaku isn't a waste of time in and of itself, but waiting for it to run out of MP is even more idiotic. Gravity, Silence, and Stoneskin are all extremely viable(and easy) ways to deal with Chainspell. Not that you would know this, but the most difficult part of killing it is to keep Slow II on it at all times; His spell arsenal is laughable.

Trying to argue that its less efficient to kill anything in Tu'lia(or anywhere, mostly) with (practical) lower numbers than it is to throw an alliance at gods is laughable. Going from two-minute kills to fifteen-minute kills is going to do diddly to your overall efficiency, while going from four people needing W.Legs to twelve people needing W.Legs is going to guarantee you a massive headache, and a never-ending Sky schedule.

Name a better tank for anything that isn't Fafnir than DRK/NIN. Please. The same relative survivability of the more commonplace tanks(any DRK/NIN that dies to an HNM with any regularity is simply incompetent), and twice the utility.

[Kaparu]

rambus, on 10 March 2010 - 02:03 AM, said:

how does that apply to DL then? you said just over a single party, i want to seee 6 people do it that is level 75 ( just in case some 99 bumps this and goes HUR I solo DL!!)

3x KC-DRK, BRD, RDM, RDM, THF = Dead DL

And before you come at me with the, "But KC isn't common blah blah fuckity blah", I said that it was possible, not common.

[Kaparu]

Jurojin, on 10 March 2010 - 06:37 AM, said:

Quite simple, it doesn't.

Because Kaparu is an attention whoring cum bag pretending to know it all while being no more than a copy-cat boasting his "epeen" on other people's accomplishments which have long ceased to be amazing or even decent at best.

When completely incorrect and illogical accusations fail, ad hominem attacks are there to save the day.

Refute something I say with facts, or shut the fuck up.

[Kaparu]

Katchoo, on 10 March 2010 - 11:07 AM, said:

wow that sounds SO DULL. Why is this good? Thats two hours lost doing somthing thats actually fun.

Because I said it was a wise decision, right? It was simply a comparison.

[Daggermaster]

cap <3

[rambus]

Kaparu, on 10 March 2010 - 11:42 PM, said:

3x KC-DRK, BRD, RDM, RDM, THF = Dead DL

And before you come at me with the, "But KC isn't common blah blah fuckity blah", I said that it was possible, not common.

i was just wondering, i thought you needed 2 brd, anyways what about them pms?

[Kaparu]

rambus, on 10 March 2010 - 11:50 PM, said:

i was just wondering, i thought you needed 2 brd, anyways what about them pms?

March, March, Feint, Chainspell - all the support necessary.

[Daggermaster]

OnEvent stuns ftw?