[Ijiwaru]

I'm nowhere near the final prices on the relic Bow yet, but I've been really thinking about it. I'll list some Pro's and Con's of what I think each of them has, maybe you guys could add to the list, and maybe elaborate on it a bit?

Amanomurakumo
Pro's:
-Cheaper than Bow
-More insurance (guarenteed to be great on all mobs?)
-Don't need to edit much of current gear that's available out there
-Can keep current SAM merits setup

Con's:
-Possibly less dmg output than Soboro/Yoichi?
-Will get high hate if not careful?

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Yoichinoyumi
Pro's:
-Possible higher output of damage over Amano?
-Super low hate Namas Arrow, allowing Spammage pretty much
-RNG can also use Yoichi
-I'm thinking it's more fun to use, but maybe Amano is fun to use also wwwww
-Able to sell Black Tathlum for gil towards Yoichi lol

Con's:
-Much more expensive than Amano
-Damage on Namas might suck on some mobs?
-Need to rework Merits etc
-Needs some other gear
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So what do you guys think? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to all the BACON SHOGUN's feedback. lulz

[pathwriter]

Get a Claustrum.

Ok, let's pretend that relic weapons will still be relevant in the land of fairies and dreams and level 99. Do you want to tank or do you want to not tank? If you want to tank, get Amanomurakumo, not because it improves your tanking but because it significantly increases your Enmity generation. If you want to not tank, get Yoichinoyumi, but don't expect it to make you Enmity-free.

That's pretty much it. Oh, and Yoichinoyumi costs forever, what with having to replenish spent ammunition.

[Yhelothur]

Amano personally.

And they should still be relevant, they'll be getting upgrades from Trial of the Magians as well Path.

[Dazd]

I don't think SE is gonna just make all the top tier gear that's out right now useless in 1 or 2 updates. They may do a shit job when it comes to updates but they always put in more useless junk than good gear I don't think that's gonna change much now especially with relics.

[pathwriter]

I wanna believe!

But I don't trust Square-Enix at all.

[KadajPhD]

I agree with Path on SE's bullshit 99% of the time.

However this is that 1% where I really am honest to God trying to be cautiously optimistic, lol. I'm really hoping they don't drop the bomb on Amano, I really don't want mine to become a storage piece. I think though that there would be too much backlash from the playerbase if they did 'nerf' relics, as a relative term, because so many people have them now.

Normally the kicking and screaming from a few doesn't amount to much, but I can't see them letting the most expensive items in the game by an ungodly wide margin just fading off, not when many players worked so hard on them, be it single players or entire linkshells.

[Taint]

Since bow attestation doesn't exist I recommend going for GKT.

[Ijiwaru]

I just so happen to have both Attestations, when LS was trying for other ones haha.
So any more thoughts about this? Is it ALL about hate generation? making relic bow the no brainer if funds are sufficient?

[Yhelothur]

Ijiwaru, on 13 March 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

making relic bow the no brainer if funds are sufficient?

I really don't think so myself, but I don't have either. Haven't we done this comparison before? I'd swear Amano was the better choice most of the time.

I mean hell, why would you want to spend that much on something you could bring up to a whopping 246 skill (253 with torque, although I'm sure there's better for WS than that), when you could spend less to have a weapon designed for your job? Being different isn't always better, I do know that.

To me, getting Yoichi over Amano just feels about as wrong as this:

[Kaparu]

Hate cap, etc.

And a ranger's Namas Arrow is going to suck just as much as a samurai's without minuets on high-defense targets, so I don't see why the skill difference would be relevant. 100% Racc during WS.

But truth be told, if the prices are even being taken into consideration, you probably can't afford either.

Edit: Vince, Yoichinoyumi is far more beneficial to SAM that it is to RNG. The goal of either of the ranged relics should be to compact as much of your damage as possible into Namas/Coronach, because no consequential enmity is going to come out of them, and SAM does a much better job of that than RNG.

This post has been edited by Kaparu: 13 March 2010 - 10:06 PM

[Taint]

Kaparu, on 13 March 2010 - 10:04 PM, said:

Hate cap, etc.

And a ranger's Namas Arrow is going to suck just as much as a samurai's without minuets on high-defense targets, so I don't see why the skill difference would be relevant. 100% Racc during WS.

But truth be told, if the prices are even being taken into consideration, you probably can't afford either.

Edit: Vince, Yoichinoyumi is far more beneficial to SAM that it is to RNG. The goal of either of the ranged relics should be to compact as much of your damage as possible into Namas/Coronach, because no consequential enmity is going to come out of them, and SAM does a much better job of that than RNG.

Soboro is what tips the scales. TP generation at a very fast pace with a Solid WS. Drace said Namas on SAM was comparable to the big3 on anything but top tier HNMs.

[Yhelothur]

I've heard it was good, but I thought it only really shined on merit level mobs. Had no idea it was good on larger game.

Doesn't mean I have to like it! What I said above was mainly opinion. I really don't care which relic someone gets, it's their damn money. If I had the funds though, I'd get Amano in a heartbeat, and not look back.

[Kaparu]

Taint, on 14 March 2010 - 07:33 AM, said:

Soboro is what tips the scales. TP generation at a very fast pace with a Solid WS. Drace said Namas on SAM was comparable to the big3 on anything but top tier HNMs.

Absolutely, and you really just need meat and some minuets to make Namas great against less favorable pDIF situations. Amano is obviously a great all around GKT, but its going to shine in exactly the same situations as Yoichi will, so the fact that its true potential is going to come out in situations where you're getting pretty decent attack buffs shouldn't really be taken into consideration.

[Draiganadi]

Just wait until 99 is here and take you and mebbe 10-11 of your friends and go own AV and get a easy 5 hit GKT aka Futsuno Mitama.

This post has been edited by Draiganadi: 15 March 2010 - 07:33 PM

[KadajPhD]

Kap nailed what I was trying to think out and post yesterday before I found some cookies and got distracted etc.

I think bottom line, its a bagillion gil you're laying out, get what you want to play with most. If you want to play typical SAM with GK etc, go for Amano. If you want to play with Soboro and a ranged swap, which is definitely a change up from how it is now, go with Yoichi.

Like he said, you need added attack buffs to make either signature WS shine. Kaiten is really pitiful when I don't have a brd or cor in my group. So sad ;;

[crypt]

Well if your a person who wants to have teh best samurai in teh world cause thats all that matters listen to them

If you wanna be originality think about what would be cooler iyo.

Like me i'd pick bow cause you can lvl rng and also it's just cause I like the ability to use a bow with any sub. I dunno which is better but I do know is bow just looks cool to me so I want it

I don't wanna fall behind other sams in the game either but i'm not gonna lose my originality cause then that'd just make me a bandwagon sam who only gets what other sams tell him to get.

[Taint]

One thing to consider is Soboros effectiveness as the cap gets raised, hopefully there will be a new higher lvl 2-3 GKT to match up with yoichi.

[TresDuendes]

Taint, on 21 April 2010 - 01:28 PM, said:

One thing to consider is Soboros effectiveness as the cap gets raised, hopefully there will be a new higher lvl 2-3 GKT to match up with yoichi.

there is already the oat gkt, doubt you'll get much more than that