[stubbieunicornserver]

I didn't know how to make a macro until i was like lvl 50... as a RDM. And I had never heard of the brady guide, or KI or alla till after i had already figured the game out when a friend finally tought me how to macro lol, it made RDM seem... fucking impossible but it drove me to try to be the best at it that i could lol

refreshing 3-4 ppl, haste, cure, enfeeble, MB if i could, all off the magic menu!

once i got into macros i felt i was bored of it, was too easy lol

fuck a guide! and fuck macros!

This post has been edited by stubbieunicornserver: 14 March 2010 - 02:43 AM

[Albela]

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the Bradyguide is also partially, if not soley responsible for the 'loldrg' stigma of 2002-2005 with that one little sentence under the Dragoon information page.

"Parties wont specifically need a dragoon"

and since people believe everything they read, and any idiot can make a party, dragoons got screwed. I will admit that the screenshots in the guide were nice to look at before I had a chance to play the game.

This is false. i bought the brady guide and it did not affect my opinion of dragoons. If anything it was the noob players who said dont invite dragoons, because people believe what they hear.

[Brayker]

Dyire, on 13 March 2010 - 11:36 PM, said:

When I first got FFXI, I spent the whole drive home reading the manual. While I was installing the game, I must have read the manual like 10 times. Having the guide then would have really kept my impatience at bay~

I'm a sucker for reading printed stuff on that smells-good magazine paper

I agree, its always nice to have a physical copy in your hand that you can take to the bathroom and read. Thats one of the reasons I prefer to buy things in stores as opposed to online, being able to hold it in my hand and know that this is what I'm buying, I'm taking it home with me and its mine forever. Plus its nice to be able to look at the pretty pictures anytime you want instead of looking at a block of text as directions.

How many other people here looked at the pictures in the bradyguide and that somehow influenced the job/race they started as? Personally the pictures of a paladin in I.M. armor casting cure on a skeleton won me over.

[Uragirimono]

Albela, on 14 March 2010 - 06:59 AM, said:

This is false. i bought the brady guide and it did not affect my opinion of dragoons. If anything it was the noob players who said dont invite dragoons, because people believe what they hear.

You are not responsible for an entire classes hate. The Brady games guide, believe it or not, caused many stereotypes. Not directly, but it helped steam power many.

As said before, it made Chainmail lv24 look like the shit, and made people think Sword and Shield was smart for warriors, and why DRGS suck.

[Jettez]

Well well, I still use my brady guide in some cases, specifically the atlas guide. Most of you cannot tell me the brady guides did not get you through the first few city missions. The crafting recipes was very helping and some of the food guides, the dynamis drop guide, the NM guide, etc. etc. etc.
There was plenty of things I found useful in the guide. I rarely look at now because it is outdated but it honestly helped me.

[Kasim]

Dyire, on 13 March 2010 - 11:36 PM, said:

When I first got FFXI, I spent the whole drive home reading the manual. While I was installing the game, I must have read the manual like 10 times. Having the guide then would have really kept my impatience at bay~

I'm a sucker for reading printed stuff on that smells-good magazine paper

Me too and that's a pretty damn good thing. By not doing this ppl are created that we know as noobs. Some people start games and question the most pathetic things when it's simply in a manual, better explained than if you would ask your friend.

[Levian]

Let's not forget the misprint that lead people to believe for years that a beast master with a pet gimped the entire party's xp and not just his own. As far as everything else goes, up til 2006 when I discovered KI everything I knew about the game I learned from other players. Macros, solo til 10 then go to valkurm, the (longest) route from bastok to jeuno when I hit 20, how to navigate yuhtunga, not to fall down the holes while pulling in garlaige...And let's not forget missions. Yeah, I did those the hard way up til 5-1 ish. No resources, no guides, just the mission description and a whole lot of wandering around. Back in those days there was a wealth of knowledge for anyone willing to learn and not too scared to ask before finding out the hard way. And people in game can't respond with, "Read the fucking stickies!"

This post has been edited by Levian: 14 March 2010 - 09:09 PM

[Byozuma]

Yeah, I never bought the Brady guides though I did flip through them in the store, and I could tell they were crap. They only described three missions, a couple quests and that was pretty much it. I learned everything early on from other players then I started googling what they didn't know. Brady had disappointed well before that, though. Brady's FFIX guide was an utter joke! All it was was a roadmap with Protips. It's sad, too, cause Brady had been one of the best producer of guides up till then and Prima was known for making 'gag' guides. After FFIX it was practically a paradigm shift in both companies, Prima making great guides and Brady making glorified toilet paper. The only FFXI guide they made that was worth buying was the Atlas as, even now, it's still current to the core game.

[spira]

lol I bought all 3 brady guides for FFXI. The 2 guides and the atlas. Never really used the atlas.. but the previous 2 made for fun / silly reads on the potty.
It was also slightly useful back when I first started off and didn't know a lot about jobs i wasnt familiar with.

ANYWAY.

surprisingly, Bradygames didn't do FFXIII's strategy guide. It was done by Piggyback interactive.. and its pretty good if u ask me lol.

But MMORPGs are an entirely different ballgame.. so.. lol @ MMO strat guide books. i'd still buy them tho.

FFXI had really good japanese strat guides (called World Reports) and they had very good info. too bad we'll never get that in English

[DaEvilOne]

I didn't buy it but my brother did, and the pictures did inspire me plus the little captions under each job lol. The picture of the PLD was what made me want to lvl that from the beginning, I'd still go back just to read the captions later on when I started lvling other jobs. I didn't do much else with it though, crafting guides and looking at the spell/ability lists when we learned things was about it. Except for my copy is outdated by a lot, it had PLD learning Raise at 75, and RDM learning Cure V at some point (don't really remember when). But it did say the WAR af feet were called Warrior's Greaves, which I thought sounded cooler lol

[C.A.T.A.L.Y.S.T]

ill buy em just cause its FF oriented i bought FFXI ones even though they were crap but i just love anythin to do with FF so theyll just sit there.

[spira]

yea. i like to buy them cos theres something for me to read up on them when i need it. a hard copy that is..

[boris37]

Byozuma, on 15 March 2010 - 08:29 AM, said:

Yeah, I never bought the Brady guides though I did flip through them in the store, and I could tell they were crap. They only described three missions, a couple quests and that was pretty much it. I learned everything early on from other players then I started googling what they didn't know. Brady had disappointed well before that, though. Brady's FFIX guide was an utter joke! All it was was a roadmap with Protips. It's sad, too, cause Brady had been one of the best producer of guides up till then and Prima was known for making 'gag' guides. After FFIX it was practically a paradigm shift in both companies, Prima making great guides and Brady making glorified toilet paper. The only FFXI guide they made that was worth buying was the Atlas as, even now, it's still current to the core game.

Wow... i usually troll this website but i had to actually to create an account i laughed so hard.

So let's get down to what Brady actually did in their main strat. I bought it on PS2 release(I still own it too)... i stayed clear of the bad stuff knowing what to do and not to so i will summarize here for you since you clearly took a "very quick" look but like to generalize what they did and didn't do.

Good:

All missions described and walked through up to rank 8 or 9? I forget and i'm at work and not at home
All quests for Bastok, Sandy, Windurst and Jeuno and any other small towns like Selbina etc (NOT just "a couple" like you seem to think). Also explains whether they were repeatable, the reward, person to talk to and coordinates to said person... pretty accurate huh?
Most of the crafting recipes for all of the professions. I did not do a side by side comparison so i am not saying they have them all or are missing a lot but i don't believe most were there.
Consumables and their effects(showing you how really useless some of them were)
Job Skills and what their effects were
Map and layout for the world
How to get advanced jobs and how to do the quest

Bad:

Subjobs and a few main jobs were innacurately described. Meh the average player takes this stuff with a grain of salt and experiments on their own.
Granted this is still a huuuuuge flaw, hardly a reason to dismiss the whole guide


Overall for what brady did bad they did a lot of good. As a resource the book is still very very accurate but as far as guiding you in the game it was poor... yeah i agree. Those who bought the guide to assist their playing(like me) love the guide and can even still use it. Those who laugh at it and point out the flaws and say "it's a waste of money" or "i flipped through it and it was crap" expect 100% accurate information in a paper guide for an mmo... dream on.

That's just my 2Cents, feel free to add anything else to the good or the bad i really don't know too much else the guide did poorly.

[Levian]

I don tnot expect a guide to be 100% accurate. However, I do expect them to have the common decency to avoid statements that may damage the reputation of a job/class and give it a negative stigma that will persist for years to come. That single flaw is so huge it displaces the actual good the guide did and makes it one of the worse things to happen to the game. That's my opinion at any rate. And no, I don't play those jobs nor were they of interest to me before I started, so it isn't just a matter of being an angry <insert job here>. I'm just predisposed to despise misinformation, especially when it has such a far reaching effect.

[Boshi]

They sucked, but it was nice to have them. They came out back when Brady guides were still all the rage for single player games and such. The first one was actually pretty helpful on getting some early quests done, and I'm all about the Missions & Quests.

[Snitch]

Guides are fun to read on the toilet.. nothing else.. at least MMO editions...

The Brady coverd to level 50, and Atlas was a joke... But still when u collect guides for SE games.. I had to buy em... When I realy only look at the pictures

[Boldfinger]

Snitch, on 24 March 2010 - 04:20 AM, said:

Guides are fun to read on the toilet.. nothing else..

Mine are in the magazine rack of the 'library' too. I read them almost daily, usually after toast and my first coffee of the day.